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Post by MikeC on Jan 12, 2010 1:11:14 GMT -4
I think changing the eligibility of a player to coincide with draft date. A player born in January 1990 has a different draft year than a player born in November 1990. I'm not entirely sure what you mean to accomplish with this because... No matter what you set as the cut off date, you're always going to have a player who's 364 days older than another player in the same eligibility year. For instance, the CHL uses Dec 30 as the cut off date. For the 2010 Q draft, you have to be born between Jan 1 and Dec 31, 1994. The NHL uses Sep 15 as their cut off date. For the 2010 NHL draft, you have to be born between Sep 16, 1991 and Sep 15 1992.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 12, 2010 7:40:38 GMT -4
Not only that but every level below the Q uses the Dec. 31/Jan. 1 cutoff
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Post by Clubber Lang on Jan 12, 2010 8:20:28 GMT -4
Not only that but every level below the Q uses the Dec. 31/Jan. 1 cutoff So why would the NHL cut off after sept 15th? They must have a good reason as to why they selected that date. If not, why not use the calendar year.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 12, 2010 8:28:39 GMT -4
Not only that but every level below the Q uses the Dec. 31/Jan. 1 cutoff So why would the NHL cut off after sept 15th? They must have a good reason as to why they selected that date. If not, why not use the calendar year. I think it has to do with not wanting 17 year olds playing in NHL games. 18 being legal age of adulthood in most countries.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 12, 2010 9:11:02 GMT -4
Not only that but every level below the Q uses the Dec. 31/Jan. 1 cutoff So why would the NHL cut off after sept 15th? They must have a good reason as to why they selected that date. If not, why not use the calendar year. Because entering into a contract with a 17 YO is a slippery slope. He could sign for 3 years ... but when he turns 18 he could decide he doesn't want to play for that team anymore and walk away ... signing with somebody else if he wanted to. An NHL team cannot enforce a contract with a 17 YO. The cutoff date of Sept 15 is essentially the date that NHL training camps open ... and so if they aren't 18 by that date then they are not eligible.
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Post by bois on Jan 12, 2010 9:47:51 GMT -4
So why would the NHL cut off after sept 15th? They must have a good reason as to why they selected that date. If not, why not use the calendar year. I think it has to do with not wanting 17 year olds playing in NHL games. 18 being legal age of adulthood in most countries. the NHL only operates in 2 countries tho and one of those, the one containing most of the teams, has set 21 as the legal age of adulthood so I don't think that is it at all
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 12, 2010 12:02:11 GMT -4
I think it has to do with not wanting 17 year olds playing in NHL games. 18 being legal age of adulthood in most countries. the NHL only operates in 2 countries tho and one of those, the one containing most of the teams, has set 21 as the legal age of adulthood so I don't think that is it at all Hmmm ... no I believe that the US still holds 18 as the legal age of adulthood. Just like in Canada ... there is a different age when you are eligible to drive a car ... a different age when you are eligible to vote ... and a different age when you are eligible to drink (18 to 21 depending on where you live). But in the US and Canadian Judicial system ... the age is 18 that defines you as an adult ... 18 YOs go to prison ... 17 YOs get sent back to their Mothers with a slap on the wrist and a stern talking to.
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Post by Clubber Lang on Jan 12, 2010 12:10:09 GMT -4
I think it has to do with not wanting 17 year olds playing in NHL games. 18 being legal age of adulthood in most countries. the NHL only operates in 2 countries tho and one of those, the one containing most of the teams, has set 21 as the legal age of adulthood so I don't think that is it at all What about when they play in Europe? Also what I can't understand is why a euro can play in the AHL at 19 but a North American can't? To be quite honest I look at James Sheppard as an example. Too good for the Q at 19 but not good enough for the NHL and his career basically is in the toilet right now.
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Post by Briwhel on Jan 12, 2010 12:45:34 GMT -4
It's a condition of the NHL's transfer agreement with the CHL. Cape Breton would have had to sign off for Sheppard to play in the A (I can't think of a team that has ever done this)
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 12, 2010 13:19:03 GMT -4
I think it has to do with not wanting 17 year olds playing in NHL games. 18 being legal age of adulthood in most countries. the NHL only operates in 2 countries tho and one of those, the one containing most of the teams, has set 21 as the legal age of adulthood so I don't think that is it at all I think you need to brush up on your laws.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 12, 2010 13:38:34 GMT -4
the NHL only operates in 2 countries tho and one of those, the one containing most of the teams, has set 21 as the legal age of adulthood so I don't think that is it at all What about when they play in Europe? Also what I can't understand is why a euro can play in the AHL at 19 but a North American can't? To be quite honest I look at James Sheppard as an example. Too good for the Q at 19 but not good enough for the NHL and his career basically is in the toilet right now. If the best players in the CHL were able to jump to the AHL at 18 and 19 then the Q would be no better than a Jr A league. That rule is in place to protect the CHL. The NHL wants the CHL to be as strong as possible because it makes it a better place to develop players. Euros are not exclusively allowed to play in the AHL at 19. Euros that get drafted out of the Q have to follow the same restrictions as Canadian and American kids. Euros that get drafted into the NHL out of European leagues play by a different set of rules as there are not the same type of agreements between the NHL and those European leagues. In a case like Sheppard ... there seems to be too much pressure on GMs to get high drafted players right into the NHL ... more of a marketing thing than anything ... the fans want to see that 1st rd pick. There are several that make the jump and after an adaption period are regular players ... but others get lost in the shuffle.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 12, 2010 13:41:08 GMT -4
It's a condition of the NHL's transfer agreement with the CHL. Cape Breton would have had to sign off for Sheppard to play in the A (I can't think of a team that has ever done this) Patrice Bergeron was allowed to play in the AHL during the lockout season ... after spending his first season in the NHL. I don't think Bathurst signed off on it (maybe they did) but the NHL and Q seemed to agree it was best for the player in question.
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Post by lalalaprise on Jan 12, 2010 13:44:28 GMT -4
That was an ad lib type situation as there were 18 year olds in the NHL and than locked out at 19...so I think the CHL didnt bother fighting it and allowed Bergeron to play AHL at 19.
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