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Post by hfxfan09 on May 31, 2010 17:14:02 GMT -4
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Post by sharrow on May 31, 2010 18:26:46 GMT -4
As I understand it you can make the draft money part of the trade agreement but remembering that finanacial compensation is substantial for players picked in the 1st round and it goes down quickly after that and where Corbeil is slated to go its hardly a factor.
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Post by canbeer on May 31, 2010 18:44:22 GMT -4
I guess I never but what I ment by that whole post was if they trade Corbeil it will be at the draft if they don't Delmas will be gone before the trade period. On a side note but related to the topic say Cam trade Corbeil at the draft do the moose still get his draft money or the team he goes to? I'm pretty sure it goes to the team that the player last played for... so Halifax.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 19:32:58 GMT -4
I wonder what the difference in trade value there is between Corbeil and Dumas? I think anyone getting Corbeil would be gambling that he will play in the Q as a 20. Should we take that gamble if we can get a decent return for Delmas?
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Post by Murph on May 31, 2010 21:27:28 GMT -4
I wonder what the difference in trade value there is between Corbeil and Dumas? I think anyone getting Corbeil would be gambling that he will play in the Q as a 20. Should we take that gamble if we can get a decent return for Delmas? The odds of Corbeil returning really won't be known until after the NHL draft. With goalies, it all depends on organiational depth. Lesser goalies have moved on, while much better goalies have been back at 20. For me, I wouldn't hang on to Corbeil with 2012 in mind. For one, he's not that good. He had a decent year, but he struggled in the 2nd half, when Delmas arrived and the pressure was on. He's still a bit of a project. For those reasons though, I do think he'll be back at 20. I don't know if he's the type of guy I'd want in my net as a contender, let alone an overager (See P-O Pelltier). If I were Halifax, I'd get some more depth, look at a Legace type goalie. If the young guy develops quick enough, he's your #1, and you have a spot available for an overage skater. If he doesn't devlop quick enough, then you use him in a trade to aquire a proven vet (like Moncton did with Blanchard/Torjdman). If Saint John is the trade partner though, the price would have to be very good to make the move, because the possibility exists that one of the main competitors for the Mooseheads in 2012 will be Saint John, and you don't want to strengthen them in the teams most improtant position. If it's a ho-hum deal for the Sea Dogs (like Steven Anthony as the main piece) then I keep Corbeil until Christmas. His value certainly won't be less in December.
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Post by Gman on May 31, 2010 21:34:46 GMT -4
I think if you trade Corbeil, it has to be to a team that has a 17 year old forward that proved himself last year. A Bryce Milson or similar. Bathurst may be in need of a goalie, so that would be a fair trade, IMO. I don't like the idea of trading Corbeil for more picks. We need a player who can step in now, but still be around in the next 2 years as well. It looks like any deal for Corbeil goes through Saint John. I don`t see them getting a young forward there, however, they could get a guy like Anthony, who could be dealt at Xmas for that young forward, plus add other assets as well, both from Saint John, and a future Anthony deal. With Delmas now most likely back, trade talks for him could get more serious also. The odds of Corbeil even being around at 20 for me, arent worth the risk of passing up a quality deal for him now. With the lack of quality goalies available this year, Corbeil will be worth more than that. Corbeil for Anthony is a terrible deal for Halifax, and there's no way a competent GM would make that deal. I hope a trading partner is found at the draft, but if not, I'm not opposed to them holding on until Xmas for a better deal.
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Post by canbeer on May 31, 2010 22:05:15 GMT -4
I wonder what the difference in trade value there is between Corbeil and Dumas? I think anyone getting Corbeil would be gambling that he will play in the Q as a 20. Should we take that gamble if we can get a decent return for Delmas? The odds of Corbeil returning really won't be known until after the NHL draft. With goalies, it all depends on organiational depth. Lesser goalies have moved on, while much better goalies have been back at 20. For me, I wouldn't hang on to Corbeil with 2012 in mind. For one, he's not that good. He had a decent year, but he struggled in the 2nd half, when Delmas arrived and the pressure was on. He's still a bit of a project. For those reasons though, I do think he'll be back at 20. I don't know if he's the type of guy I'd want in my net as a contender, let alone an overager (See P-O Pelltier). If I were Halifax, I'd get some more depth, look at a Legace type goalie. If the young guy develops quick enough, he's your #1, and you have a spot available for an overage skater. If he doesn't devlop quick enough, then you use him in a trade to aquire a proven vet (like Moncton did with Blanchard/Torjdman). If Saint John is the trade partner though, the price would have to be very good to make the move, because the possibility exists that one of the main competitors for the Mooseheads in 2012 will be Saint John, and you don't want to strengthen them in the teams most improtant position. If it's a ho-hum deal for the Sea Dogs (like Steven Anthony as the main piece) then I keep Corbeil until Christmas. His value certainly won't be less in December. My money would easily be on Corbeil returning at 20 and for that reason I agree with you about any possible trade to SNB. We can't trade from a position of strength (and league weakness) in goaltending for somewhat of a reclamation project that doesn't even fit that well with our cycle. For me Anthony for Corbeil wouldn't really even be a place to start those talks... Phillips or MacAulay or something a bit more interesting. That being said the Moose would need to have their own plans for goaltending in '12 if Corbeil is moved. Delmas had some great games when he came here last year and if he's healthy the Moose could see some big improvements in keeping the puck out of the net with him and a D-squad that is no longer rookie laden. Definitely one of the more interesting Moose issues to see play out this week or in the next few months.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2010 8:10:24 GMT -4
Given the depth of goalies this draft, plus a few teams needing a #1 guy(Bathurst SJ and others) it makes a ton of sense to trade Theriault-Coirbeil since his value is probably a lot higher, plus you can draft a young guy to develop for 2 years taking over as #1 next year, plus I doubt Delams' value is very high given the season he just had.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 1, 2010 8:44:24 GMT -4
I think if you trade Corbeil, it has to be to a team that has a 17 year old forward that proved himself last year. A Bryce Milson or similar. Bathurst may be in need of a goalie, so that would be a fair trade, IMO. I don't like the idea of trading Corbeil for more picks. We need a player who can step in now, but still be around in the next 2 years as well. Bathurst already has 2 19YO goalies even before trading for Roy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 8:55:00 GMT -4
I think if you trade Corbeil, it has to be to a team that has a 17 year old forward that proved himself last year. A Bryce Milson or similar. Bathurst may be in need of a goalie, so that would be a fair trade, IMO. I don't like the idea of trading Corbeil for more picks. We need a player who can step in now, but still be around in the next 2 years as well. Bathurst already has 2 19YO goalies even before trading for Roy. He obviously made that post assuming Roy doesn't go to Bathurst.
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Post by mikeb on Jun 1, 2010 9:00:28 GMT -4
Bathurst already has 2 19YO goalies even before trading for Roy. He obviously made that post assuming Roy doesn't go to Bathurst. And I was well aware of that. If there is no Roy trade. Why would Bathurst trade for a 19YO Corbeil when they already have 2 19YO goalies?
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Post by canbeer on Jun 1, 2010 9:05:49 GMT -4
He obviously made that post assuming Roy doesn't go to Bathurst. And I was well aware of that. If there is no Roy trade. Why would Bathurst trade for a 19YO Corbeil when they already have 2 19YO goalies? Why would Bat need to trade for Roy if they already have two 19 year old goalies?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 9:08:48 GMT -4
And I was well aware of that. If there is no Roy trade. Why would Bathurst trade for a 19YO Corbeil when they already have 2 19YO goalies? Why would Bat need to trade for Roy if they already have two 19 year old goalies? Because they have no confidence that euther can be a #1 in this league perhaps.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2010 9:19:04 GMT -4
And I was well aware of that. If there is no Roy trade. Why would Bathurst trade for a 19YO Corbeil when they already have 2 19YO goalies? Why would Bat need to trade for Roy if they already have two 19 year old goalies? Both are mediocre and they want to contend.
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Post by canbeer on Jun 1, 2010 9:25:20 GMT -4
Why would Bat need to trade for Roy if they already have two 19 year old goalies? Because they have no confidence that euther can be a #1 in this league perhaps. Exactly. Bathurst really looks like they want to start the year as a favorite and taking a step to improve in nets would really help. It sounds like with the forward they're getting as futures they'll be able to score. Will likely need further improvements on D.
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