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Post by peicurler91 on Sept 13, 2010 18:31:18 GMT -4
Yeah as a Rocket fan I'm not liking how the Herd will look next year. (Trust me that's a compliment). You guys have quite a few young talented players, and have a very bright future.
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Post by howitzer on Sept 13, 2010 19:23:20 GMT -4
Yeah as a Rocket fan I'm not liking how the Herd will look next year. (Trust me that's a compliment). You guys have quite a few young talented players, and have a very bright future. Thank you. Always appreciative to out of town compliments. Unlike some other out of towners who post just to stir shit up.  With the schedule and the way it's set up in Sept, it sucks we couldn't grab a win either fri or sat night. To have one under our belt early, would have helped as they go out on the road for 6 straight. With Delmas gone and Corbeil out, it's a bit unsettling to have to start the trip going into Bathurst and Saint John with a rookie goaltender. And who knows how long Corbeil will be out, and we may never see Delmas back again (if he signs a pro deal). I won't panic yet, but defintely not an ideal situation with such a young team. Having said that, the road may actually be a good thing for them. They all heard and read the hype surrounding the team this year, so I'm sure they felt the pressure of playing at home. Despite that pressure they still managed to play well in the 2 loses, so maybe the road will be theraputic for them and maybe we grab a couple wins. We need to have guys show they can supply some secondary scoring. We can't afford to have Desjardins slump this year like he did last year, and it'd be nice to have Andrews start to show some offense. He's still only 17, so he's still on that learning curve and so we need to be patient. But it'd be nice for the team and his confidence if he could pot a few goals early. Ashley has looked good, but has nothing to show for it. Hopefully he can get a few breaks on the trip as well. |
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Post by defresh101 on Sept 14, 2010 2:12:35 GMT -4
Ok I will bite on the little trolls bait. Many rookies this season will develope over the year. All rookies develop at different speeds no matter skill level or order drafted.
But you must also realize one of our Rookies is also drafted 2nd overall in the league. Anything could happen with his development but he was drafted that high for a reason he has more skills in his age group for the league. Thats not me talking thats the scouts.....and if you dont believe that,,,,well if we would not have drafted Luca the guy after us looking for a forward would have. We also have low picks that could have went much higher but they played the NCAA route or some other avenue to avoid going to say an organization who has a small little town with a very violatile organization on the brink of dying.
You can only target Frk for so long, and than your second and 3rd lines will start biting you in the ass. Frk is exceptional to some extent. But CHSB could have used his same statement on the Edmonton Oilers(with Wayne Gretzky) or the Rimouski Oceanic (with Sidney Crosby). Those 2 players were at least a tier above their counterparts. Now you ask the |New York Islanders or the Halifax Mooseheads how things turn out when you center your attack around the star player.
Now I know your going to come back with a little cooment like Frk is not in the same league as these 2 guys, and your right.
You better hope your right that our team will not mature and develop to take the load off Frk by next. Because if your wrong I would say pretty much say if this team develops....this will be Bathurst last kick at the can for a run before it collapses and moves to Fredricton , St Johns or whatever city the Titan will be moving to. I am starting to think that your trolling is not trolling but more fear other teams sucess in a season will cost you teams entire future.
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Post by justmy02 on Sept 14, 2010 7:32:44 GMT -4
We actually have lots of other young guys that are fun to watch and should be good in the future also... we arent limited to 1 guy. So funny to see you look at a young prospect in a worse case scenario kind of way, when you are so unimaginably optomistic about your own teams prospects... Frk was instrumental in 4 of the 5 goals scored by your team in 2 games so far....we are here very far from any of your other rookies. Frk will be given special attention, you can rely on that....he seems exceptional.... i agree. it won't be long before someone will be on Frk like stink on shit. |
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Post by mikeb on Sept 14, 2010 7:43:34 GMT -4
Yeah as a Rocket fan I'm not liking how the Herd will look next year. (Trust me that's a compliment). You guys have quite a few young talented players, and have a very bright future. Thank you. Always appreciative to out of town compliments. Unlike some other out of towners who post just to stir shit up. With the schedule and the way it's set up in Sept, it sucks we couldn't grab a win either fri or sat night. To have one under our belt early, would have helped as they go out on the road for 6 straight. With Delmas gone and Corbeil out, it's a bit unsettling to have to start the trip going into Bathurst and Saint John with a rookie goaltender. And who knows how long Corbeil will be out, and we may never see Delmas back again (if he signs a pro deal). I won't panic yet, but defintely not an ideal situation with such a young team. Having said that, the road may actually be a good thing for them. They all heard and read the hype surrounding the team this year, so I'm sure they felt the pressure of playing at home. Despite that pressure they still managed to play well in the 2 loses, so maybe the road will be theraputic for them and maybe we grab a couple wins. We need to have guys show they can supply some secondary scoring. We can't afford to have Desjardins slump this year like he did last year, and it'd be nice to have Andrews start to show some offense. He's still only 17, so he's still on that learning curve and so we need to be patient. But it'd be nice for the team and his confidence if he could pot a few goals early. Ashley has looked good, but has nothing to show for it. Hopefully he can get a few breaks on the trip as well. Road trips early in the year aren't all that bad. It can be very good for team building. Every new season when the calander comes out I actually hope to see a road trip for my team early in the year. It pays dividends later on. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 14, 2010 8:12:29 GMT -4
Thank you. Always appreciative to out of town compliments. Unlike some other out of towners who post just to stir shit up. With the schedule and the way it's set up in Sept, it sucks we couldn't grab a win either fri or sat night. To have one under our belt early, would have helped as they go out on the road for 6 straight. With Delmas gone and Corbeil out, it's a bit unsettling to have to start the trip going into Bathurst and Saint John with a rookie goaltender. And who knows how long Corbeil will be out, and we may never see Delmas back again (if he signs a pro deal). I won't panic yet, but defintely not an ideal situation with such a young team. Having said that, the road may actually be a good thing for them. They all heard and read the hype surrounding the team this year, so I'm sure they felt the pressure of playing at home. Despite that pressure they still managed to play well in the 2 loses, so maybe the road will be theraputic for them and maybe we grab a couple wins. We need to have guys show they can supply some secondary scoring. We can't afford to have Desjardins slump this year like he did last year, and it'd be nice to have Andrews start to show some offense. He's still only 17, so he's still on that learning curve and so we need to be patient. But it'd be nice for the team and his confidence if he could pot a few goals early. Ashley has looked good, but has nothing to show for it. Hopefully he can get a few breaks on the trip as well. Road trips early in the year aren't all that bad. It can be very good for team building. Every new season when the calander comes out I actually hope to see a road trip for my team early in the year. It pays dividends later on. I agree, 14 hour bus trips and overnight stays, meals etc can really help the guys get to know eachother better. I`m glad they got a couple games done so they know what eachother is capable of and to work on that. Plus, not as much pressure right off the bat to put on a show in front of the home crowd. It may mean some losses pile up early but ultimately its good for team building. |
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Post by chsb on Sept 14, 2010 8:30:46 GMT -4
Ok I will bite on the little trolls bait. Many rookies this season will develope over the year. All rookies develop at different speeds no matter skill level or order drafted. But you must also realize one of our Rookies is also drafted 2nd overall in the league. Anything could happen with his development but he was drafted that high for a reason he has more skills in his age group for the league. Thats not me talking thats the scouts.....and if you dont believe that,,,,well if we would not have drafted Luca the guy after us looking for a forward would have. We also have low picks that could have went much higher but they played the NCAA route or some other avenue to avoid going to say an organization who has a small little town with a very violatile organization on the brink of dying. You can only target Frk for so long, and than your second and 3rd lines will start biting you in the ass. Frk is exceptional to some extent. But CHSB could have used his same statement on the Edmonton Oilers(with Wayne Gretzky) or the Rimouski Oceanic (with Sidney Crosby). Those 2 players were at least a tier above their counterparts. Now you ask the |New York Islanders or the Halifax Mooseheads how things turn out when you center your attack around the star player. Now I know your going to come back with a little cooment like Frk is not in the same league as these 2 guys, and your right. You better hope your right that our team will not mature and develop to take the load off Frk by next. Because if your wrong I would say pretty much say if this team develops....this will be Bathurst last kick at the can for a run before it collapses and moves to Fredricton , St Johns or whatever city the Titan will be moving to. I am starting to think that your trolling is not trolling but more fear other teams sucess in a season will cost you teams entire future. Halifax happen to be on the same development cycle as teams like Lewiston, Rimouski,Saint-John,Shawinigan and Gatineau. all these teams want to contend in 11-12 when the Q will host the Mem Cup....add to that CB and you can see the picture. In my prior comments, I never referred to next season, always to this season. Therefore, I look at your team this season and cannot stop thinking about the pressure which Frk will be subject to. Very few 16 YO like Ciampini were major offensive threats at 16. You've got Ashley who, I hear, is also a very good prospect. On defense Clarke and Hannay are looking real good for next season...I don't believe so much in Abel personally. No doubt that the potential is there , but for next season your team will be on a cracsh course with a lot of competition. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 14, 2010 8:39:06 GMT -4
Ok I will bite on the little trolls bait. Many rookies this season will develope over the year. All rookies develop at different speeds no matter skill level or order drafted. But you must also realize one of our Rookies is also drafted 2nd overall in the league. Anything could happen with his development but he was drafted that high for a reason he has more skills in his age group for the league. Thats not me talking thats the scouts.....and if you dont believe that,,,,well if we would not have drafted Luca the guy after us looking for a forward would have. We also have low picks that could have went much higher but they played the NCAA route or some other avenue to avoid going to say an organization who has a small little town with a very violatile organization on the brink of dying. You can only target Frk for so long, and than your second and 3rd lines will start biting you in the ass. Frk is exceptional to some extent. But CHSB could have used his same statement on the Edmonton Oilers(with Wayne Gretzky) or the Rimouski Oceanic (with Sidney Crosby). Those 2 players were at least a tier above their counterparts. Now you ask the |New York Islanders or the Halifax Mooseheads how things turn out when you center your attack around the star player. Now I know your going to come back with a little cooment like Frk is not in the same league as these 2 guys, and your right. You better hope your right that our team will not mature and develop to take the load off Frk by next. Because if your wrong I would say pretty much say if this team develops....this will be Bathurst last kick at the can for a run before it collapses and moves to Fredricton , St Johns or whatever city the Titan will be moving to. I am starting to think that your trolling is not trolling but more fear other teams sucess in a season will cost you teams entire future. Halifax happen to be on the same development cycle as teams like Lewiston, Rimouski,Saint-John,Shawinigan and Gatineau. all these teams want to contend in 11-12 when the Q will host the Mem Cup....add to that CB and you can see the picture. In my prior comments, I never referred to next season, always to this season. Therefore, I look at your team this season and cannot stop thinking about the pressure which Frk will be subject to. Very few 16 YO like Ciampini were major offensive threats at 16. You've got Ashley who, I hear, is also a very good prospect. On defense Clarke and Hannay are looking real good for next season...I don't believe so much in Abel personally. No doubt that the potential is there , but for next season your team will be on a cracsh course with a lot of competition. We arent really targetting next year... we are just rebuilding the whole roster, if anything, the year after would be our best year. But alot can change. Lots of teams (including us) pick a year regardless of the cycle and decide to go for it, and often fail. I think we are focused on restocking and when the time is right we will probably make the necessary deal or two. But right now we are so young and have so many unknowns. Its about getting them icetime and improving year to year. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 8:43:54 GMT -4
Halifax happen to be on the same development cycle as teams like Lewiston, Rimouski,Saint-John,Shawinigan and Gatineau. all these teams want to contend in 11-12 when the Q will host the Mem Cup....add to that CB and you can see the picture. In my prior comments, I never referred to next season, always to this season. Therefore, I look at your team this season and cannot stop thinking about the pressure which Frk will be subject to. Very few 16 YO like Ciampini were major offensive threats at 16. You've got Ashley who, I hear, is also a very good prospect. On defense Clarke and Hannay are looking real good for next season...I don't believe so much in Abel personally. No doubt that the potential is there , but for next season your team will be on a cracsh course with a lot of competition. We arent really targetting next year... we are just rebuilding the whole roster, if anything, the year after would be our best year. But alot can change. Lots of teams (including us) pick a year regardless of the cycle and decide to go for it, and often fail. I think we are focused on restocking and when the time is right we will probably make the necessary deal or two. But right now we are so young and have so many unknowns. Its about getting them icetime and improving year to year. Agreed- on top of that IMO we need to have an excellent draft in 2011 to even think about being buyers at the deadline in XMAS 2011; I could see the Moose bringing in a top notch overager or 2 but that would be about it for 2011-2012... prices will be high though they might have to make those move(s) at the draft next summer if at all. |
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Post by Reesor on Sept 14, 2010 8:52:16 GMT -4
When Lewiston won the President's Cup back in 06-07 I don' t think they made a single move at the deadline. They stocked up through the draft and made a few off-season deals.
Our past history of stocking up at the deadline hasn't worked out too well. I think you have to use perennial threats like Gatineau and Quebec (and Saint John lately) as examples. Cam has said that he wants to use Gatineau as a model of how to build a successful franchise. I would hate to see Halifax overachieve, be in first place next year in December then sell the farm to go for it when they aren't quite ready. Then we're back to 2008-09 again... last place with no assets or draft picks.
Don't rush it. The future is bright. We'll be back to our 8000+ crowds in no time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 9:06:04 GMT -4
When Lewiston won the President's Cup back in 06-07 I don' t think they made a single move at the deadline. They stocked up through the draft and made a few off-season deals. Our past history of stocking up at the deadline hasn't worked out too well. I think you have to use perennial threats like Gatineau and Quebec (and Saint John lately) as examples. Cam has said that he wants to use Gatineau as a model of how to build a successful franchise. I would hate to see Halifax overachieve, be in first place next year in December then sell the farm to go for it when they aren't quite ready. Then we're back to 2008-09 again... last place with no assets or draft picks. Don't rush it. The future is bright. We'll be back to our 8000+ crowds in no time. Lewiston traded for Simon Courcelles in the summer of 2006- excellent trade as he had Mem Cup experience and it was for only a 3rd round pick; they also hit the jackpot drafting David Perron that summer. |
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Post by bois on Sept 14, 2010 9:47:38 GMT -4
I agree with you guys... next season is not very likely to be a go for it year for the Moose (obviously things can change)... I really don't think you have to worry about Russell and/or Smith going all in next Christmas...... it's the year following right now that would appear to be the Moose "go for it" season
but I don't honestly see why you guys get so defensive towards out of town posters who offer a differing view and accuse them of trolling
if you don't want to have chsb posts... don't respond to him.... tho in this case I really don't see much wrong with what he wrote at all.... not really rocket science to expect teams might concentrate on shutting down Frk, especially if he continues to be your most consistent offensive producer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 10:18:40 GMT -4
I agree with you guys... next season is not very likely to be a go for it year for the Moose (obviously things can change)... I really don't think you have to worry about Russell and/or Smith going all in next Christmas...... it's the year following right now that would appear to be the Moose "go for it" season but I don't honestly see why you guys get so defensive towards out of town posters who offer a differing view and accuse them of trolling if you don't want to have chsb posts... don't respond to him.... tho in this case I really don't see much wrong with what he wrote at all.... not really rocket science to expect teams might concentrate on shutting down Frk, especially if he continues to be your most consistent offensive producer People give chsb the business here, and other boards, because they get their posts deleted by the Judge at best or at worse get called for trolling or get point warnings for pointing out the bullshit that he posts. That said, what he said wasn't bad. |
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Post by canbeer on Sept 14, 2010 10:32:14 GMT -4
Ok I will bite on the little trolls bait. Many rookies this season will develope over the year. All rookies develop at different speeds no matter skill level or order drafted. But you must also realize one of our Rookies is also drafted 2nd overall in the league. Anything could happen with his development but he was drafted that high for a reason he has more skills in his age group for the league. Thats not me talking thats the scouts.....and if you dont believe that,,,,well if we would not have drafted Luca the guy after us looking for a forward would have. We also have low picks that could have went much higher but they played the NCAA route or some other avenue to avoid going to say an organization who has a small little town with a very violatile organization on the brink of dying. You can only target Frk for so long, and than your second and 3rd lines will start biting you in the ass. Frk is exceptional to some extent. But CHSB could have used his same statement on the Edmonton Oilers(with Wayne Gretzky) or the Rimouski Oceanic (with Sidney Crosby). Those 2 players were at least a tier above their counterparts. Now you ask the |New York Islanders or the Halifax Mooseheads how things turn out when you center your attack around the star player. Now I know your going to come back with a little cooment like Frk is not in the same league as these 2 guys, and your right. You better hope your right that our team will not mature and develop to take the load off Frk by next. Because if your wrong I would say pretty much say if this team develops....this will be Bathurst last kick at the can for a run before it collapses and moves to Fredricton , St Johns or whatever city the Titan will be moving to. I am starting to think that your trolling is not trolling but more fear other teams sucess in a season will cost you teams entire future. Halifax happen to be on the same development cycle as teams like Lewiston, Rimouski,Saint-John,Shawinigan and Gatineau. all these teams want to contend in 11-12 when the Q will host the Mem Cup....add to that CB and you can see the picture. In my prior comments, I never referred to next season, always to this season. Therefore, I look at your team this season and cannot stop thinking about the pressure which Frk will be subject to. Very few 16 YO like Ciampini were major offensive threats at 16. You've got Ashley who, I hear, is also a very good prospect. On defense Clarke and Hannay are looking real good for next season...I don't believe so much in Abel personally. No doubt that the potential is there , but for next season your team will be on a cracsh course with a lot of competition. What pressure is there on Frk. The team isn't exactly surrounded by lofty expectations this year and the Moose are returning all of their top scorers outside of Knotek. But somehow to you think it is all on a 17 year old rookie in Frk? Hannay should be a good rugged D next season but he has at least Clarke, Abletshauser and Gillard in front of him. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 14, 2010 10:45:23 GMT -4
I agree with you guys... next season is not very likely to be a go for it year for the Moose (obviously things can change)... I really don't think you have to worry about Russell and/or Smith going all in next Christmas...... it's the year following right now that would appear to be the Moose "go for it" season but I don't honestly see why you guys get so defensive towards out of town posters who offer a differing view and accuse them of trolling if you don't want to have chsb posts... don't respond to him.... tho in this case I really don't see much wrong with what he wrote at all.... not really rocket science to expect teams might concentrate on shutting down Frk, especially if he continues to be your most consistent offensive producer I think what makes no sense to me, is basically what you said... "not really rocket science to expect teams might concentrate on shutting down Frk".... to me thats what is the headscratcher with his posts... OF COURSE teams will key on a teams best player (if he turns out to be that). He is using it as a negative when its really a positive that we have a player who will draw the attention, allowing others more freedom... It would be like saying to Pittsburgh fans in Crosby`s rookie year that its unfortunate teams will start keying on Crosby... do you think they care? Of course it will happen. Doesnt mean fans dont have the right to be excited about a rookie who looks to be able to make an immediate impact. As for him being involved in 4 of 5 goals... its been 2 games. Two games where as a team, we played quite well, up like 26-8 on Bathurst in shots and dominating them territorially until they cashed in on a few breaks in the third. The team has played well, many guys have shown alot of promise despite not getting any/many points, Ashley being one of them. Having Frk draw attention as a rookie will only help guys like Ashley, Andrews, Desjardins, Grant, Randall etc... |
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