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Post by stratford on Sept 27, 2010 12:47:29 GMT -4
I probably shouldn't have said what I said, but mboyan threw quite the hissy fit - I can't say I expected such a strong reaction from anyone on here considering you guys often refer to your own rink as "The Morgue." And no I didn't intend to paint every single individual PEI fan with one brush. I was just making a generalization on what the atmosphere usually seems like at the CCC. You can speak in general terms without it meaning that what you're saying applies to every individual. I think anyone on here would agree if someone said that fans at the Bell Centre in Montreal can be unduly harsh at times. People in the sports media say that all the time. But when they say that, nobody takes it as them meaning that every individual among the 20,000 fans in that building is a harsh boo-bird. And I'm well aware that most of the negativity is caused by Rocket management and how poorly-run the organization has been aside from the first year. I know that's the reason why the building is half-empty and the atmosphere is usually bad. I actually thought it kind of went without saying, but obviously I should have been more clear about it. The fact is, whether it's the fans' fault or not (and for the most part it seems like it isn't), the CCC has become a place where fans are conditioned to pretty much expect the worst to happen. And that general negative cloud, which won't go away until fans are given something to cheer about on a consistent basis, probably rubs off on the team and could be a contributing factor in the unbelievable number of poor starts and awful efforts on home ice over the past 5-6 years. Were my comments meant to be blunt and kind of snarky? Yeah sure, and maybe I shouldn't have went that way - but then again half the fun of these message boards is the odd chirp here and there. Were they meant to be personal insults against individuals? Not a chance, sorry to those who took em that way. To educate out-of-towners a little, locals here hate the CCC i.e. "the morgue". It might be said that "atmosphere" is difficult to attain in such a hideous building. Compound this fact with the ineffective on-ice product/effort and it rips your heart out
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Post by bois on Sept 27, 2010 13:07:05 GMT -4
I think the atmosphere at the CCC or "morgue" is very similar to the atmosphere at every other rink in the maritimes, and i've been to them all..... nobody's building is raucous or intimidating to play in..... nor are they loud, jampacked to the rafters (often) and full of enthusiasm.... anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling themself.
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Post by flopthecat on Sept 27, 2010 14:43:55 GMT -4
I think the atmosphere at the CCC or "morgue" is very similar to the atmosphere at every other rink in the maritimes, and i've been to them all..... nobody's building is raucous or intimidating to play in..... nor are they loud, jampacked to the rafters (often) and full of enthusiasm.... anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling themself. Agree, in large part. Modern-day "marketing concepts" such as cookie-cutter rinks, similar uniforms all designed by the same outfit, high glass all around, relentless ads and identical, loud, and annoying music/noise selections after each whistle have sucked the individuality and character out of all hockey venues. There's no such thing as intimidating buildings, fans or atmosphere, because the rinks all pretty well look and feel the same, the fans are cut off, and so it's very easy for players to tune them out....not that they can hear them over the music/noise anyway. It's what the hockey geniuses have created, and we're stuck with it.....forever. Now, to make matters even worse, teams all have identical websites!
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Post by countryboy on Sept 27, 2010 16:19:25 GMT -4
Speaking of raucous or intimidating places to play.....
bois says he's been to all rinks in the Maritimes and says that none are raucous or intimidating.
I've been to Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst and say that's certainly the case in these three.
Does anybody have experience up in Quebec? Are there any buildings up there that really have the "atmosphere" of an intense crowd, night in, night out?
In particular, do any of the out of towners have any stories to share?
You hear about the huge crowds in Quebec City at the Colisee?
I know that things always have the reputation of intensity up in Chicoutimi.
flop sometimes talks about the atmosphere in the old days at "The Bob" in Hull.
Rimouski always draws well. What are things like there?
Any tales?
cb
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Post by wingman on Sept 27, 2010 17:28:41 GMT -4
One thing that Cape Breton has had that PEI has never had are competitive teams to follow, and through the years they've had some good teams to watch. They've entered seasons with teams they know will do good that year and were a team to beat because they've had the players and also competent management/coaching....when was the last time Rocket fans can say that going into a season. As much frustration Cape Breton fans have had over how some of the playoffs have gone for them, I would gladly switch organizations/management they have had because they've had at least legitimate hopes and legitimate contending teams. This is something Rocket fans has never been able to experience the whole time since the Rocket have come here and something that Savard has never ever delivered for his team's fanbase and their support of the team. You may not want to switch with them right now ... Durocher's building decisions over the last few years are up there with Savard ... and if Durocher is allowed to continue for too long then CB may start a run of mediocrity just like PEI fans have had to deal with. But |I agree ... no fanbase could remain positive over an 8 yr period if given the teams Savard has assembled and torn apart year after year. The only one to blame for poor fan support and fan apathy is Savard Jr. I was talking about the Vincent-era when I was talking about switching, I don't have much confidence in the direction that Durocher is taking them either. But either way to get back on the topic/discussion, IMO Savard and Rocket management only have themselves to blame for the attendance and the lack of interest...it's not like they couldn't see this coming and it's not like the fanbase hasn't in the past given/shown their dissatisfaction over the lack of success. But I do I think it is unfortunate for the players who I am sure would like to see a full and enthusiastic barn every night and it likely sucks for them as well because of the lack of success the team has had.
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Post by dt281 on Sept 27, 2010 18:39:47 GMT -4
Is there any talk at all of the team being sold? Savard should be run out of town if his failures continue. It is a shame how he is chasing fans away with his mismanaging of the team.
Also, as an Eagles fan, we are pissed as hell after only a couple years of Mario running the team into the ground, and spewing shit out of his mouth that we are suppose to believe. I can't imagine how you guys feel after 8+ years of that clown.
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Post by hockeydog on Sept 27, 2010 18:44:24 GMT -4
gatineau is intimidating, seats right down to the ice, very loud. dr'ville is as well. i dont know about the new rink in sawinigan, but i assume it is loud as are others.
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Post by countryboy on Sept 27, 2010 21:20:26 GMT -4
We used to complain that the 2800 or so house plants that went to the CCC would sit on their hands and do their best not to make a sound as to not offend those who sat around them.
Now... well, would it be nice to have 2800 house plants in the seats instead of the 1100 or so folks who currently go to the games.
cb
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Post by countryboy on Sept 27, 2010 21:24:36 GMT -4
Yeah, but you can't force Savard out of town. There's no way he can be made to be obligated to sell the team. Plus, now that he's married to a lady from PEI, I suspect he's not interested in simply selling and settling into another job around here. There were always rumors that some local entrepreneurs were looking to buy the Rocket, but these never really had any merit. To me, I would find it hard to believe Savard would ever consider selling the team. It's kind of his gift from Dad that he holds onto through the years despite what is happening. Many have speculated that if the team's financial prospects got too dismal he would consider selling local before seeking a move. I really can't see him advertising any sort of sale.... .... nor can I really see him looking to relocate. But somethings gotta happen if we continue to see 1100 people in the rink nightly. cb Is there any talk at all of the team being sold? Savard should be run out of town if his failures continue. It is a shame how he is chasing fans away with his mismanaging of the team. Also, as an Eagles fan, we are pissed as hell after only a couple years of Mario running the team into the ground, and spewing shit out of his mouth that we are suppose to believe. I can't imagine how you guys feel after 8+ years of that clown.
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Post by Deer on Sept 27, 2010 21:29:48 GMT -4
Speaking of raucous or intimidating places to play..... bois says he's been to all rinks in the Maritimes and says that none are raucous or intimidating. I've been to Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst and say that's certainly the case in these three. Does anybody have experience up in Quebec? Are there any buildings up there that really have the "atmosphere" of an intense crowd, night in, night out? In particular, do any of the out of towners have any stories to share? You hear about the huge crowds in Quebec City at the Colisee? I know that things always have the reputation of intensity up in Chicoutimi. flop sometimes talks about the atmosphere in the old days at "The Bob" in Hull. Rimouski always draws well. What are things like there? Any tales? cb I was at one game at the Colisee in Quebec City back in 2000, and the atmosphere was pretty awesome. But that was a playoff game - Game 6 of Rd 2 vs Moncton, and the Remparts steamrolled to a win to tie the series at 3-3 and keep themselves alive. That was probably the most that building rocked all season, so it's undoubtedly not a fair sample. But I get the impression the atmosphere in Quebec is generally pretty good, by Q standards. The building itself is nothing short of majestic, possibly my favourite rink I've ever been in - any hockey fan owes it to themselves to see a game at the Colisee. It has that pro/big rink feel like Halifax (only more pro, and bigger)..... but being a rink that's been around since the 1950s or something, it also has that classic charm to it - it's been renovated and modernized, but doesn't seem to have lost much of the old school charm. Best of both worlds. Sadly their team is usually a bunch of clowns, which takes away from it all. I heard that Shawinigan's building was pretty rockin and intimidating when they played in the ancient Jacques Plante Arena. But since they moved into the new Centre Bionest in 2009, apparently the atmosphere has tamed down a bit - it's supposed to be a really nice rink, but it's probably cookie-cutter compared to the Jacques Plante, and flopthecat pointed out what happens in cookie-cutter rinks. In fact flopthecat's post was pretty brilliant - the genericness of our game sometimes these days drives me nuts. I hate when the kids high-five the bench out of nothing but pure obligation after every goal. Find some unique way to celebrate. And any team (including CB) that chooses to use "Zombie Nation" as a post-goal song deserves a flogging.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 28, 2010 15:56:41 GMT -4
Speaking of raucous or intimidating places to play..... bois says he's been to all rinks in the Maritimes and says that none are raucous or intimidating. I've been to Moncton, Saint John and Bathurst and say that's certainly the case in these three. Does anybody have experience up in Quebec? Are there any buildings up there that really have the "atmosphere" of an intense crowd, night in, night out? In particular, do any of the out of towners have any stories to share? You hear about the huge crowds in Quebec City at the Colisee? I know that things always have the reputation of intensity up in Chicoutimi. flop sometimes talks about the atmosphere in the old days at "The Bob" in Hull. Rimouski always draws well. What are things like there? Any tales? cb I was at one game at the Colisee in Quebec City back in 2000, and the atmosphere was pretty awesome. But that was a playoff game - Game 6 of Rd 2 vs Moncton, and the Remparts steamrolled to a win to tie the series at 3-3 and keep themselves alive. That was probably the most that building rocked all season, so it's undoubtedly not a fair sample. But I get the impression the atmosphere in Quebec is generally pretty good, by Q standards. The building itself is nothing short of majestic, possibly my favourite rink I've ever been in - any hockey fan owes it to themselves to see a game at the Colisee. It has that pro/big rink feel like Halifax (only more pro, and bigger)..... but being a rink that's been around since the 1950s or something, it also has that classic charm to it - it's been renovated and modernized, but doesn't seem to have lost much of the old school charm. Best of both worlds. Sadly their team is usually a bunch of clowns, which takes away from it all. I heard that Shawinigan's building was pretty rockin and intimidating when they played in the ancient Jacques Plante Arena. But since they moved into the new Centre Bionest in 2009, apparently the atmosphere has tamed down a bit - it's supposed to be a really nice rink, but it's probably cookie-cutter compared to the Jacques Plante, and flopthecat pointed out what happens in cookie-cutter rinks. In fact flopthecat's post was pretty brilliant - the genericness of our game sometimes these days drives me nuts. I hate when the kids high-five the bench out of nothing but pure obligation after every goal. Find some unique way to celebrate. And any team (including CB) that chooses to use "Zombie Nation" as a post-goal song deserves a flogging. Game 7 of that Que/Mon series in 2000 was the loudest the Coliseum has ever been (for Q games) ... up until the Memorial Cup. It was pretty loud in Moncton last year too as we rolled along through the playoffs ... getting louder as we went along. Emotional games bring that out ... but sadly there are very few regular season emotional games because losing isn't nearly as critical.
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Post by Deer on Sept 28, 2010 22:07:57 GMT -4
I was at one game at the Colisee in Quebec City back in 2000, and the atmosphere was pretty awesome. But that was a playoff game - Game 6 of Rd 2 vs Moncton, and the Remparts steamrolled to a win to tie the series at 3-3 and keep themselves alive. That was probably the most that building rocked all season, so it's undoubtedly not a fair sample. But I get the impression the atmosphere in Quebec is generally pretty good, by Q standards. The building itself is nothing short of majestic, possibly my favourite rink I've ever been in - any hockey fan owes it to themselves to see a game at the Colisee. It has that pro/big rink feel like Halifax (only more pro, and bigger)..... but being a rink that's been around since the 1950s or something, it also has that classic charm to it - it's been renovated and modernized, but doesn't seem to have lost much of the old school charm. Best of both worlds. Sadly their team is usually a bunch of clowns, which takes away from it all. I heard that Shawinigan's building was pretty rockin and intimidating when they played in the ancient Jacques Plante Arena. But since they moved into the new Centre Bionest in 2009, apparently the atmosphere has tamed down a bit - it's supposed to be a really nice rink, but it's probably cookie-cutter compared to the Jacques Plante, and flopthecat pointed out what happens in cookie-cutter rinks. In fact flopthecat's post was pretty brilliant - the genericness of our game sometimes these days drives me nuts. I hate when the kids high-five the bench out of nothing but pure obligation after every goal. Find some unique way to celebrate. And any team (including CB) that chooses to use "Zombie Nation" as a post-goal song deserves a flogging. Game 7 of that Que/Mon series in 2000 was the loudest the Coliseum has ever been (for Q games) ... up until the Memorial Cup. It was pretty loud in Moncton last year too as we rolled along through the playoffs ... getting louder as we went along. Emotional games bring that out ... but sadly there are very few regular season emotional games because losing isn't nearly as critical. What would you say was the loudest moment at the Memorial Cup? I was at that tournament, and the moments that jump to my memory are 1) Matt Marquardt scoring the go-ahead and eventual game-winning goal in the third period of the semifinal vs Vancouver. His blast to the top shelf broke a 1-1 tie after some awesome work by Brad Marchand dipping around inside the offensive zone, shaking off several Giant defenders before finding Marquardt. 2) The end of that semifinal vs Vancouver when a Cats win and trip to the final was clinched, and a pretty raucous line brawl broke out. 3) Marchand's goal against Peterborough in the round robin that increased Moncton's lead to 4-2 in the third period, giving a major amount of breathing room and essentially clinching that game and a 2-0 record. The Marquardt goal was probably the loudest, but maybe my memory is getting foggy over four years down the road!
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Post by catnut on Sept 28, 2010 22:14:27 GMT -4
Game 7 of that Que/Mon series in 2000 was the loudest the Coliseum has ever been (for Q games) ... up until the Memorial Cup. It was pretty loud in Moncton last year too as we rolled along through the playoffs ... getting louder as we went along. Emotional games bring that out ... but sadly there are very few regular season emotional games because losing isn't nearly as critical. What would you say was the loudest moment at the Memorial Cup? I was at that tournament, and the moments that jump to my memory are 1) Matt Marquardt scoring the go-ahead and eventual game-winning goal in the third period of the semifinal vs Vancouver. His blast to the top shelf broke a 1-1 tie after some awesome work by Brad Marchand dipping around inside the offensive zone, shaking off several Giant defenders before finding Marquardt. 2) The end of that semifinal vs Vancouver when a Cats win and trip to the final was clinched, and a pretty raucous line brawl broke out. 3) Marchand's goal against Peterborough in the round robin that increased Moncton's lead to 4-2 in the third period, giving a major amount of breathing room and essentially clinching that game and a 2-0 record. The Marquardt goal was probably the loudest, but maybe my memory is getting foggy over four years down the road! The empty-netter shortly clinching that semi-final win was just as loud.
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Post by Deer on Sept 28, 2010 22:19:33 GMT -4
What would you say was the loudest moment at the Memorial Cup? I was at that tournament, and the moments that jump to my memory are 1) Matt Marquardt scoring the go-ahead and eventual game-winning goal in the third period of the semifinal vs Vancouver. His blast to the top shelf broke a 1-1 tie after some awesome work by Brad Marchand dipping around inside the offensive zone, shaking off several Giant defenders before finding Marquardt. 2) The end of that semifinal vs Vancouver when a Cats win and trip to the final was clinched, and a pretty raucous line brawl broke out. 3) Marchand's goal against Peterborough in the round robin that increased Moncton's lead to 4-2 in the third period, giving a major amount of breathing room and essentially clinching that game and a 2-0 record. The Marquardt goal was probably the loudest, but maybe my memory is getting foggy over four years down the road! The empty-netter shortly clinching that semi-final win was just as loud. There were (sort of) two empty netters that game! One was counted, other disallowed. I think Hepditch's counted and Gaudet's was called back... then all the fun broke out. ;D
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Post by reggiedunlop7 on Sept 29, 2010 11:08:49 GMT -4
In regards to the loudness of the CCC…I've seen some moments where it has been a rocking time.
1996 AUS Finals which had UPEI vs Acadia….2 nights of deafening cheers from the fire regulation breaking crowds. When John Nelson scored 2 goals within the final minute to tie up the Saturday night game the building was rocking all through the intermission before the overtime and even older when they won.
Same year PEI Senator's Darcy Simon's OT winner against Fredericton to force a Game 5 produced the noise.
The Abbies 1999 MJAHL Game 7 win over Antigonish.
The Armour Fence Islanders march to the Allan Cup championship
PEI Rocket series vs Moncton was noisy.
For atmosphere the old Charlottetown Forum was a dandy building with the old wooden bench seating and floorboards with 10 inches of paint on them.
A point to be made is that regular season is totally different from playoffs. Regular season it's hard to maintain atmosphere due in part to the quality of teams coming in to the fact that some games are against teams that are here only once during a season. I've seen teams like the Abbies and Panthers during years where they were powerhouse teams that won more than they lost and the regulars season atmosphere didn't really spike all that much unless it was and opponent like Summerside Capitals or Moncton Blue Eagles. Playoff hockey is a more intense process where there is very little room for error in that you have 4 out of 7 possible games to win a series. Even more pressure in an AUS playoff round which is usually best of three. Regular season you have a lot of games to sort things out and get your team in order. Basically I think there's not much atmosphere during regular season because there is no urgency in the games. It gets more exciting during the 2nd half because all of a sudden teams can see the playoff light ahead and start ramping up to try to get on a roll head to the playoffs. This in turn gets fans interested and excited too.
I agree though that 1,100 fans a game is not a good sign at all. The Rocket will have to go on a tear and rattle off a lot of wins to get people thinking that things have changed.
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