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Post by Joe Rogan on Apr 1, 2014 14:33:59 GMT -4
You said this ... "So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer" ... and I said they have no right to do that ... they are not obligated to disclose anything to the fans. The team doesn't even have a right to discuss the players condition with the team doctor. Your legal stance on everything is beyond tired. You work in a legal field, we get it. Many teams employ their own doctors. Get in touch with reality. Many times in the real world, law doesn't dictate normal behavoir.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 14:59:16 GMT -4
Not going to bother getting into the "legal" shit here but it is common ****ing sense why any team won't disclose exactly what is wrong with a player due to injury.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 1, 2014 15:22:06 GMT -4
You said this ... "So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer" ... and I said they have no right to do that ... they are not obligated to disclose anything to the fans. The team doesn't even have a right to discuss the players condition with the team doctor. Your legal stance on everything is beyond tired. You work in a legal field, we get it. Many teams employ their own doctors. Get in touch with reality. Many times in the real world, law doesn't dictate normal behavoir. I think all teams have a Dr that they call the team Dr ... and he is bound by rules of his profession. The rules don't change because it is hockey ... they just get overlooked. Every player also has the right to allow his team to know what his condition is ... through the Doctor. But that right has to be given to them ... they don't just automatically have that right. Sorry if me being right is tiring you.
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Post by Citris on Apr 1, 2014 15:24:55 GMT -4
You said this ... "So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer" ... and I said they have no right to do that ... they are not obligated to disclose anything to the fans. The team doesn't even have a right to discuss the players condition with the team doctor. Your legal stance on everything is beyond tired. You work in a legal field, we get it. Many teams employ their own doctors. Get in touch with reality. Many times in the real world, law doesn't dictate normal behavoir. I Believe this is what a doctor would call being "butthurt". You may wants some topical cream. Can we get back to talking about hockey?
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Post by hfxfan09 on Apr 1, 2014 16:59:44 GMT -4
Tickets on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM to the general public, I wonder if the games will sell out should be a few decent crowds this weekend.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 1, 2014 17:09:21 GMT -4
Tickets on sale tomorrow morning at 10 AM to the general public, I wonder if the games will sell out should be a few decent crowds this weekend. You would think there would be some great crowds and being the 2nd round might draw in more people. I have great seats, but I don't think I would sit up in those obstructed shitty upper bowl seats if I can watch it on Eastlink. Although being involved in the atmosphere of a live game would be appealing to a lot of people, but not sure what kind of atmosphere is there is way up in the last 10 rows of the upper bowl.
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2014 21:13:31 GMT -4
You said this ... "So the team has some obligation to disclose an injury to the paying customer" ... and I said they have no right to do that ... they are not obligated to disclose anything to the fans. The team doesn't even have a right to discuss the players condition with the team doctor. Your legal stance on everything is beyond tired. You work in a legal field, we get it. Many teams employ their own doctors. Get in touch with reality. Many times in the real world, law doesn't dictate normal behavoir. Someone needs to get SteveUL going in the off-topic forum as well. It is a shame we only get to see him apply his common sense to hockey discussions! Moar SteveUL, less simpletons!
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 1, 2014 22:10:56 GMT -4
Your legal stance on everything is beyond tired. You work in a legal field, we get it. Many teams employ their own doctors. Get in touch with reality. Many times in the real world, law doesn't dictate normal behavoir. Someone needs to get SteveUL going in the off-topic forum as well. It is a shame we only get to see him apply his common sense to hockey discussions! Moar SteveUL, less simpletons! humorous in a way you may not even realize.
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Post by looneytunes on Apr 1, 2014 23:43:58 GMT -4
More SteveUL and his legalness is all the threads!
Could he be the guy that successfully sues the Mooseheads for not being appealing enough to all ethnicities!??
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Post by Smiley on Apr 1, 2014 23:46:53 GMT -4
Your legal stance on everything is beyond tired. You work in a legal field, we get it. Many teams employ their own doctors. Get in touch with reality. Many times in the real world, law doesn't dictate normal behavoir. I think all teams have a Dr that they call the team Dr ... and he is bound by rules of his profession. The rules don't change because it is hockey ... they just get overlooked. Every player also has the right to allow his team to know what his condition is ... through the Doctor. But that right has to be given to them ... they don't just automatically have that right. Sorry if me being right is tiring you. I think what is funny is you are assuming you are correct. There is a difference between confidentiality and privacy laws with regards to Canadian law and patients and Drs. Also Canadian law allows patients to allow Drs or proxies to speak on their behalf, and approval could be a signed contract or union agreement. Most pro sports leagues have this, and in fact the NFL has punished players for not following this provision between the NFL and NFLPA. Now the privacy law is pretty clear, but it only entails a court of law, and not media reporters, coaches, etc. it doesn't come into play in these scenarios. The confidentiality agreement is more vague, but if teams have players sign that medical issues are dealt by the team, then they can't be sued and the coaches and teams can freely discuss. We as fans don't deserve anything other than "Player X is injured and out for Y" The leagues actually mandate this. But we don't need to know what the injury is.
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Post by guru on Apr 1, 2014 23:50:23 GMT -4
More SteveUL and his legalness is all the threads! Could he be the guy that successfully sues the Mooseheads for not being appealing enough to all ethnicities!?? lol! Why hasn't a team tried a different marketing approach? What can't it be the Mooseheads?
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 2, 2014 8:48:07 GMT -4
I think all teams have a Dr that they call the team Dr ... and he is bound by rules of his profession. The rules don't change because it is hockey ... they just get overlooked. Every player also has the right to allow his team to know what his condition is ... through the Doctor. But that right has to be given to them ... they don't just automatically have that right. Sorry if me being right is tiring you. I think what is funny is you are assuming you are correct. There is a difference between confidentiality and privacy laws with regards to Canadian law and patients and Drs. Also Canadian law allows patients to allow Drs or proxies to speak on their behalf, and approval could be a signed contract or union agreement. Most pro sports leagues have this, and in fact the NFL has punished players for not following this provision between the NFL and NFLPA. Now the privacy law is pretty clear, but it only entails a court of law, and not media reporters, coaches, etc. it doesn't come into play in these scenarios. The confidentiality agreement is more vague, but if teams have players sign that medical issues are dealt by the team, then they can't be sued and the coaches and teams can freely discuss. We as fans don't deserve anything other than "Player X is injured and out for Y" The leagues actually mandate this. But we don't need to know what the injury is. You are saying the same thing I am. I did say that if the player (or parents for a minor) signs off on the disclosure then it becomes a non-issue. But this whole discussion started when a poster here brought forward information he heard from a 3rd party regarding Ashley's health and treatment. That person does not have a disclosure agreement with Mr. Ashley ... nor was the information publicly reported by the team. The Privacy law does certainly come into play when divulging an individuals medical condition ... and it does apply to Coaches ... and sports teams. A Coach and team officials can get a free pass if the player has signed off on it ... the media can report anything reported to them ... but the media can't go behind somebody's back and get medical information ... it has to be provided to them by somebody with permission to do so. If a Dr provides it to the media ... the media can report on it ... but the Dr may be on the hook if he did not have permission to divulge the information.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 7, 2014 15:00:27 GMT -4
Willy Palov ? moosefan_WillyPalov 4h Darcy Ashley (upper body) won't play in Games 3 and 4 vs. Gatineau but Cam Russell said he made excellent progress the past few days.Good to hear. He can be a hot-head sometimes. But he's the hardest worker on the team, and we need him going forward.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Apr 7, 2014 17:32:51 GMT -4
Definitely good to hear,now listen boys tune out their crowd and focus on the job at hand I believe we can win Game 3 and 4 Go Moose Go.(I did I mention Game 4 falls on my birthday that's all I'd like a few wins)
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Post by Reesor on Apr 16, 2014 18:05:40 GMT -4
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