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Post by SteveUL on Apr 17, 2014 10:38:08 GMT -4
Well If I'm Coaching VD ... I'm targeting Ashley, Drouin, Gadoury and Ehlers. I'm going to ask my players to hit them hard every chance they get. I'm not going to tell anybody to purposely try to injure another player ... but I want them feeling sore and worn down at the end of each game. It isn't the problem of Durocher if Ashley gets hurt again ... if he is still a bit fragile then he shouldn't be playing. But ... whether or not these players were coming back from injury or not ... that is the way they need to be played. If they are in the game they are fair game. And I'm sure Mantha expects a rough ride as well. Agreed, I know Porky was shit disturbing...but it's quite common for teams to "target" top players on the other side. Has nothing to do with his injury, but he is more vulnerable as a result though. And it is quite common for teams to target guys that they know that are nursing injuries ... and they may even deliver a dirty hit in the process. It happens ... to suggest that it doesn't is naive. It is a physical and emotional game ... and that is all heightened in the playoffs.
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Post by bois on Apr 17, 2014 11:14:35 GMT -4
yep lots of posts to get upset about Porky but that wasn't one of them..... it's similar to Bylsma giving hartnell a bit of a hard time after the last Philly-Pens game.... saying he was picking on a guy who had a stroke.. simply put if you can't play the game you shouldn't be playing the game.... and part of the game especially in playoffs is being hit and roughed up
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 17, 2014 11:24:10 GMT -4
yep lots of posts to get upset about Porky but that wasn't one of them..... it's similar to Bylsma giving hartnell a bit of a hard time after the last Philly-Pens game.... saying he was picking on a guy who had a stroke.. simply put if you can't play the game you shouldn't be playing the game.... and part of the game especially in playoffs is being hit and roughed up Yeah it wasn't a post worth getting upset about (although it does fit nicely into the theme of posting something negative after something positive was posted)... I just didn't understand porkys reply that it was a joke.
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 17, 2014 11:30:49 GMT -4
Worst poster on this board by a country mile. Lol you're kidding right? Smiley says hi. The guys only around because he's a moderator so they won't ban him. When a guy is coming back from a concussion and somebody says they should target that player because he'd be easily knocked out of the series, there's malicious intent in the statement. If a goalie is coming back from a groin injury, you might want to try a lot of cross ice one timers, and that's fine. If a player is coming back from a wrist injury, force him to be the shooter. That is strategy and gamesmanship. The way you target Ashley is trying to get him off his game and getting him to get caught up in the emotion of the game and start taking bad penalties. Not by targeting his head. There's no legal or acceptable way to do that in the game of hockey and I stand by my comment. It's classless. It's a whole different ballgame with brain injuries and if you do not see that then I don't know what to say. You don't think if Mantha was coming back from a wrist injury that the Mooseheads would throw him a few extra slashes on the hands??? And as someone else pointed out, Porkchop never mentioned targeting the head. He said targeting. That can mean in a clean way. Make sure to always finish your checks on the guy etc.
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Post by Smiley on Apr 17, 2014 11:36:24 GMT -4
Worst poster on this board by a country mile. Lol you're kidding right? Smiley says hi. The guys only around because he's a moderator so they won't ban him. They keep me around so that I can continue to kick your ass in Fantasy Football.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 17, 2014 13:45:42 GMT -4
yep lots of posts to get upset about Porky but that wasn't one of them..... it's similar to Bylsma giving hartnell a bit of a hard time after the last Philly-Pens game.... saying he was picking on a guy who had a stroke.. simply put if you can't play the game you shouldn't be playing the game.... and part of the game especially in playoffs is being hit and roughed up Yeah it wasn't a post worth getting upset about (although it does fit nicely into the theme of posting something negative after something positive was posted)... I just didn't understand porkys reply that it was a joke. I was joking/kidding around, in that I really wouldn't want to see that happen, I guess....hard to explain it to someone who just wants to debate about nothing as you have shown multiple times. I would never wish any player another injury, especially a concussion and would never condone deliberating targeting the head of a guy just back from being concussed. I still can't believe the over-reaction I get here. Some of the remarks that came after mine are more classless, than anything I've posted this season.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Apr 17, 2014 13:47:31 GMT -4
You don't think if Mantha was coming back from a wrist injury that the Mooseheads would throw him a few extra slashes on the hands??? And as someone else pointed out, Porkchop never mentioned targeting the head. He said targeting. That can mean in a clean way. Make sure to always finish your checks on the guy etc. Did you guys even read my post? I said targeting injuries is acceptable. It's part of the game. I concede that 100%. But not when it comes to head injuries. How do you 'target' a head injury? It doesn't make sense. Head injuries occur from illegal hits or freak accidents. There is no legal play in today's game that allows you to target the head. That's the point. Suggesting to target a player coming back from concussion, and that he'd be easily knocked out of the series is a classless and ignorant thing to say. Groins, wrists, shoulders, etc...they heal. They may end a players career, which is truly unfortunate. But with head injuries you're talking a whole different animal. This can affect a player for the rest of his life. It can alter neuro-pathways and cause unknown changes in behavior, depression and ultimately destroy ones life as they know it. Do you guys even pay attention to the seriousness of concussions? I know Porkchop was kidding but it was in bad taste, and all he does here is stir the pot at any opportunity with obviously very few limits. I think he should be banned. That's my opinion.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 17, 2014 13:55:23 GMT -4
You don't think if Mantha was coming back from a wrist injury that the Mooseheads would throw him a few extra slashes on the hands??? And as someone else pointed out, Porkchop never mentioned targeting the head. He said targeting. That can mean in a clean way. Make sure to always finish your checks on the guy etc. Did you guys even read my post? I said targeting injuries is acceptable. It's part of the game. I concede that 100%. But not when it comes to head injuries. How do you 'target' a head injury? It doesn't make sense. Head injuries occur from illegal hits or freak accidents. There is no legal play in today's game that allows you to target the head. That's the point. Suggesting to target a player coming back from concussion, and that he'd be easily knocked out of the series is a classless and ignorant thing to say. Groins, wrists, shoulders, etc...they heal. They may end a players career, which is truly unfortunate. But with head injuries you're talking a whole different animal. This can affect a player for the rest of his life. It can alter neuro-pathways and cause unknown changes in behavior, depression and ultimately destroy ones life as they know it. Do you guys even pay attention to the seriousness of concussions? I know Porkchop was kidding but it was in bad taste, and all he does here is stir the pot at any opportunity with obviously very few limits. I think he should be banned. That's my opinion. That right there is back-pedaling 101.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Apr 17, 2014 14:00:50 GMT -4
I didn't back-pedal at all. Look at the 2 posts I made. I'm making the exact same point.
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 17, 2014 14:13:27 GMT -4
You don't think if Mantha was coming back from a wrist injury that the Mooseheads would throw him a few extra slashes on the hands??? And as someone else pointed out, Porkchop never mentioned targeting the head. He said targeting. That can mean in a clean way. Make sure to always finish your checks on the guy etc. Did you guys even read my post? I said targeting injuries is acceptable. It's part of the game. I concede that 100%. But not when it comes to head injuries. How do you 'target' a head injury? It doesn't make sense. Head injuries occur from illegal hits or freak accidents. There is no legal play in today's game that allows you to target the head. That's the point. Suggesting to target a player coming back from concussion, and that he'd be easily knocked out of the series is a classless and ignorant thing to say. Groins, wrists, shoulders, etc...they heal. They may end a players career, which is truly unfortunate. But with head injuries you're talking a whole different animal. This can affect a player for the rest of his life. It can alter neuro-pathways and cause unknown changes in behavior, depression and ultimately destroy ones life as they know it. Do you guys even pay attention to the seriousness of concussions? I know Porkchop was kidding but it was in bad taste, and all he does here is stir the pot at any opportunity with obviously very few limits. I think he should be banned. That's my opinion. I mean this is in the nicest way possible but, how can a guy(assuming, sorry if I'm wrong, would explain it though) with a Joe Rogan avatar/username be so sensitive? if I were ValDor, he would be the first target....probably wouldn't take much to remove him from the series. Porky used the word target. Even if he's serious, to me I take that as finishing our hits. He's probably uneasy coming back from a head injury. If we hit him a few times(legally) it could really make him uneasy, especially if he's coming back prematurely which wouldn't be our fault.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 17, 2014 14:18:18 GMT -4
You don't think if Mantha was coming back from a wrist injury that the Mooseheads would throw him a few extra slashes on the hands??? And as someone else pointed out, Porkchop never mentioned targeting the head. He said targeting. That can mean in a clean way. Make sure to always finish your checks on the guy etc. Did you guys even read my post? I said targeting injuries is acceptable. It's part of the game. I concede that 100%. But not when it comes to head injuries. How do you 'target' a head injury? It doesn't make sense. Head injuries occur from illegal hits or freak accidents. There is no legal play in today's game that allows you to target the head. That's the point. Suggesting to target a player coming back from concussion, and that he'd be easily knocked out of the series is a classless and ignorant thing to say. Groins, wrists, shoulders, etc...they heal. They may end a players career, which is truly unfortunate. But with head injuries you're talking a whole different animal. This can affect a player for the rest of his life. It can alter neuro-pathways and cause unknown changes in behavior, depression and ultimately destroy ones life as they know it. Do you guys even pay attention to the seriousness of concussions? I know Porkchop was kidding but it was in bad taste, and all he does here is stir the pot at any opportunity with obviously very few limits. I think he should be banned. That's my opinion. the problem around here is, anything that is not pro-Halifax is classed as stirring the pot. I could, if I cared to, give you many examples of posts from guys other than me, where some here had the same reaction....you guys don't like opposing opinions, unless they are from someone apologizing at the same time...like Reesor used to do on other boards. j/k bud! There is only one post in this thread so far that should result in a warning, and it is not from me.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Apr 17, 2014 14:20:24 GMT -4
So he's going to remove himself from the series and go home because he's uneasy about taking some legal hits? Give me a break.
He was insinuating that someone deliver a check that will re-aggravate the injury he's just coming back from, a concussion.
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Post by Porkchop on Apr 17, 2014 14:30:40 GMT -4
So he's going to remove himself from the series and go home because he's uneasy about taking some legal hits? Give me a break. He was insinuating that someone deliver a check that will re-aggravate the injury he's just coming back from, a concussion. Valdor is going to hit him and hit him hard every chance they get.....that is part of the game and they know he's just been injured. It doesn't matter to them what the injury is...if he leaves the ice, they have that much more chance of being successful in the series. Hopefully he's not that fragile that he could be put out like that......I would assume Halifax followed the proper protocol for concussions, so it's not something you should have to worry about........I'd actually like to know how good the Q's protocol really is.....I watched my daughter recover from a small motorbike accident and a bad concussion...took over 3 years before she was symptom free and able to lead a normal life without dizziness/headaches/nausea, etc. That should explain to you that I'd never have any malicious intent when talking about concussions.
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 17, 2014 14:32:40 GMT -4
So he's going to remove himself from the series and go home because he's uneasy about taking some legal hits? Give me a break. He was insinuating that someone deliver a check that will re-aggravate the injury he's just coming back from, a concussion. I'm being very sincere here, very serious, look up what concussions are. I was taught what a concussion is when I took a coaching course. You can get a concussion without anything touching your head. Even a clean should to shoulder hit could re-aggravate his injury especially if he's coming back too early(no one knows). No one said anything about removing himself from the series and going home. I was just pointing out that if he's uneasy and scared to hold on to the puck or dig it out of the corners, he's essentially useless. Just lighten up, no one is wishing any harm to any Mooseheads player. You sound like you could use a beer, hit me up and I'll buy you one on the weekend. You seem like a good guy, you're just taking this the wrong way.
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Post by Smiley on Apr 17, 2014 15:02:14 GMT -4
You don't think if Mantha was coming back from a wrist injury that the Mooseheads would throw him a few extra slashes on the hands??? And as someone else pointed out, Porkchop never mentioned targeting the head. He said targeting. That can mean in a clean way. Make sure to always finish your checks on the guy etc. Did you guys even read my post? I said targeting injuries is acceptable. It's part of the game. I concede that 100%. But not when it comes to head injuries. How do you 'target' a head injury? It doesn't make sense. Head injuries occur from illegal hits or freak accidents. There is no legal play in today's game that allows you to target the head. That's the point. Suggesting to target a player coming back from concussion, and that he'd be easily knocked out of the series is a classless and ignorant thing to say. Groins, wrists, shoulders, etc...they heal. They may end a players career, which is truly unfortunate. But with head injuries you're talking a whole different animal. This can affect a player for the rest of his life. It can alter neuro-pathways and cause unknown changes in behavior, depression and ultimately destroy ones life as they know it. Do you guys even pay attention to the seriousness of concussions? I know Porkchop was kidding but it was in bad taste, and all he does here is stir the pot at any opportunity with obviously very few limits. I think he should be banned. That's my opinion. You should stop - because your post had one Massive misconception (bolded above). How can one get a concussion? - Any hit to the body that causes your brain to move rapidly within its spinal fluid cushion (i.e. whiplash) can cause a concussion. So I can cleanly lay a great open ice hit on you or hit you in your shoulders. If it is hard enough, you can get a concussion. To say concussions or head injuries only come from illegal or hits to the head is wrong. As for the banning comment - if we banned people we disagreed with or didn't like we wouldn't have a board left. How about the poster who called Porky an Asshole, he should be banned as well. This off-season people have asked for a pile of people to be banned (including Pens for imitating a Val d'Or fan). Some people need to step back and relax and not to take everything so serious...It's a game after all. This hit in the NHL resulted in a concussion, but the league said it was clean - and this video shows other clean examples that can lead to injuries. link (incase embed player won't work) - End Rant, now back to Hockey. Go Stars!
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