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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 16, 2014 7:04:58 GMT -4
Cats must be kicking themselves for not working harder on FA's...SJ added Marsh Dempsey and Dundas. Any one of those 3 would help secondary scoring... Which 20 YO would Dundas replace? Lalonde? Dempsey didn't do much of anything in the OHL and it remains to be seen whether he or the team keeps up their current pace. Marsh definitely looks like quite a find though. Dundas could replace Tassi who looks nothing like an impact OA.
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Post by bois on Oct 16, 2014 8:49:17 GMT -4
no interest in Canadian kids Marsh is American though how did they miss him? maybe he's part canadian
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Post by Arnold Slick on Oct 16, 2014 9:43:16 GMT -4
Which 20 YO would Dundas replace? Lalonde? Dempsey didn't do much of anything in the OHL and it remains to be seen whether he or the team keeps up their current pace. Marsh definitely looks like quite a find though. Dundas could replace Tassi who looks nothing like an impact OA. I actually agree that he hasn't looked very impressive at all so far. I was definitely expecting more. That said go look at Dundas' numbers from the OHL. Doesn't look like he would an impact 20 YO at all. Funny I didn't see you screaming for the Cats to pick him up when he was available. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? We're also talking about guys who have played 7 games each with their respective teams. Might want to wait for a bigger sample size before jumping to conclusions. Honestly with some of the talk on here you'd think the Cats are 4-7, not 7-4...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 16, 2014 9:54:52 GMT -4
Dundas could replace Tassi who looks nothing like an impact OA. I actually agree that he hasn't looked very impressive at all so far. I was definitely expecting more. That said go look at Dundas' numbers from the OHL. Doesn't look like he would an impact 20 YO at all. Funny I didn't see you screaming for the Cats to pick him up when he was available. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? We're also talking about guys who have played 7 games each with their respective teams. Might want to wait for a bigger sample size before jumping to conclusions. Honestly with some of the talk on here you'd think the Cats are 4-7, not 7-4... Bottom line, the moves made in the past year will look bad if they are a buyer at midseason, having moved guys like Yarwood and Simpson then having to overpay to replace them while filling other holes. If they are a seller, then it makes a lot more sense and you look at maximizing the return for Dubeau/Lalonde plus a few of Barbashev Tkachev Sweeney...
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 16, 2014 14:02:16 GMT -4
Which 20 YO would Dundas replace? Lalonde? Dempsey didn't do much of anything in the OHL and it remains to be seen whether he or the team keeps up their current pace. Marsh definitely looks like quite a find though. Dundas could replace Tassi who looks nothing like an impact OA. I agree ... he hasn't been impressive yet ... and prone to mistakes at the offensive blueline. However, please admit that in the off-season you suggested him as an option to fill what looked like a 20 YO opening for us.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 16, 2014 14:44:30 GMT -4
Dundas could replace Tassi who looks nothing like an impact OA. I agree ... he hasn't been impressive yet ... and prone to mistakes at the offensive blueline. However, please admit that in the off-season you suggested him as an option to fill what looked like a 20 YO opening for us. Yes I did. But I wasn't aware what OHL guys could be on waivers, they would know that info... My main beef is the same as the last 2 years(I know Steve's sensitive ears will be offended by this...), they don't seem to be going in any particular direction...they make certain trades to help now and others to help in 2-3 years. They simply don't have enough prospect depth to go all in and not empty the cupboards. However if that's the case you have to be committed to moving 2-3 or even 4 vets at midseason...Barbashev, Tkachev, Lalonde, Sweeney, Dubeau etc If the core of your team is graduating and you are not a top end contender, better to sell and set yourself up for 2015 or 2016.
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Post by DropThePuck on Oct 16, 2014 15:29:33 GMT -4
Where did you see this info? On the Sea Dogs roster... My bad....I haven't looked at their roster and assumed because you made that post yesterday that these FA's were acquired at the time you posted.... Carry on...
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Post by leftwinglock on Oct 16, 2014 19:31:56 GMT -4
I agree ... he hasn't been impressive yet ... and prone to mistakes at the offensive blueline. However, please admit that in the off-season you suggested him as an option to fill what looked like a 20 YO opening for us. Yes I did. But I wasn't aware what OHL guys could be on waivers, they would know that info... My main beef is the same as the last 2 years(I know Steve's sensitive ears will be offended by this...), they don't seem to be going in any particular direction...they make certain trades to help now and others to help in 2-3 years. They simply don't have enough prospect depth to go all in and not empty the cupboards. However if that's the case you have to be committed to moving 2-3 or even 4 vets at midseason...Barbashev, Tkachev, Lalonde, Sweeney, Dubeau etc If the core of your team is graduating and you are not a top end contender, better to sell and set yourself up for 2015 or 2016. You know something, you hit the nail on the head. I got the game the other day, and I know we are only 10 games in.... but we are a one line team everyone, can't seem to muster much for secondary scoring... our goalie is 20 nobody really in the system ( haven't seen much from Rioux)our best line will not be back with us next year. our cupboards aren't stocked to keep building. I find we just seem to be stuck..... can't trade much to upgrade, and with limited resources doesn't look like next year will be better.... like I said I've only a few games but another thing we seem to lack is toughness..... I've said this all along that if I was a coach personally Kyle Hass would not be in Woodstock...... he would be my captain..... I think the cats are missing his toughness and leadership.... counting on Lane cormier and Olivier to throw the fists is not the way to go and with Kyblanski being your other fighter they can't afford him sitting for 5-15 mins for a fight..... that's just me.... you guys seems to have more insight then I do
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 28, 2014 10:49:02 GMT -4
Word is that Shannon is shopping for a top 6 forward...can't be a lot of options out there...
OA would work for a month but what happens when Lalonde is back? You move Tassi?
Euros...no room.
Non OA/Euro...18 or 19 year olds there only FA's, trades for those guys can only happen in 6-7 weeks.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 28, 2014 11:07:47 GMT -4
Word is that Shannon is shopping for a top 6 forward...can't be a lot of options out there... OA would work for a month but what happens when Lalonde is back? You move Tassi? Euros...no room. Non OA/Euro...18 or 19 year olds there only FA's, trades for those guys can only happen in 6-7 weeks. The shopping would have to include FA players in Jr. They are few and far between that can effectively step into a top 6 role in the Q. However, guys like Gadoury in Halifax are out there ... smaller guys that have held out for NCAA but it didn't materialize. It would take a persuasive offer to get them here.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 28, 2014 12:39:42 GMT -4
Word is that Shannon is shopping for a top 6 forward...can't be a lot of options out there... OA would work for a month but what happens when Lalonde is back? You move Tassi? Euros...no room. Non OA/Euro...18 or 19 year olds there only FA's, trades for those guys can only happen in 6-7 weeks. The shopping would have to include FA players in Jr. They are few and far between that can effectively step into a top 6 role in the Q. However, guys like Gadoury in Halifax are out there ... smaller guys that have held out for NCAA but it didn't materialize. It would take a persuasive offer to get them here. At this point it may be best for the team to stay around .500 and convince the owner it's time to sell. It's pretty clear there are gaping holes to contending this year...#2 center plus probably another top 6 C/W...add a top 2 and a top 4 d-man and the shopping list is quite long and VERY expensive. Moving guys like Dubeau/Barbashev/Sweeney/Tkachev/Lalonde(whichever brings back huge value) could help set up a run like Saint John and Halifax have had the last 5 years, being pretty strong 3 straight years...but it won't happen as a buyer this year nor standing pat.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 28, 2014 12:59:09 GMT -4
If you look at the roster right now...to build a winner...
Barbashev-Tkachev-Lalonde-Garland are top 6 guys
Johnson Smith and Leger can be your 3rd line
Murphy Cormier Olivier Tibbo Askew Cobham Bower in the mix for the 4th
Sweeney on your top pair
Johnston on your 2nd pair Klebansiy-Holwell Lukezik Malatesta as #5-6-7
Dubeau Rioux?
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 28, 2014 16:47:39 GMT -4
The shopping would have to include FA players in Jr. They are few and far between that can effectively step into a top 6 role in the Q. However, guys like Gadoury in Halifax are out there ... smaller guys that have held out for NCAA but it didn't materialize. It would take a persuasive offer to get them here. At this point it may be best for the team to stay around .500 and convince the owner it's time to sell. It's pretty clear there are gaping holes to contending this year...#2 center plus probably another top 6 C/W...add a top 2 and a top 4 d-man and the shopping list is quite long and VERY expensive. Moving guys like Dubeau/Barbashev/Sweeney/Tkachev/Lalonde(whichever brings back huge value) could help set up a run like Saint John and Halifax have had the last 5 years, being pretty strong 3 straight years...but it won't happen as a buyer this year nor standing pat. I agree with all of that ... but at this point, other than Rimouski, nobody else has really impressed as a contender. Quebec will probably get there through the trade period, but have not been impressive yet. That to me is a problem that will convince Irving that we should go for it again.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 28, 2014 17:15:56 GMT -4
At this point it may be best for the team to stay around .500 and convince the owner it's time to sell. It's pretty clear there are gaping holes to contending this year...#2 center plus probably another top 6 C/W...add a top 2 and a top 4 d-man and the shopping list is quite long and VERY expensive. Moving guys like Dubeau/Barbashev/Sweeney/Tkachev/Lalonde(whichever brings back huge value) could help set up a run like Saint John and Halifax have had the last 5 years, being pretty strong 3 straight years...but it won't happen as a buyer this year nor standing pat. I agree with all of that ... but at this point, other than Rimouski, nobody else has really impressed as a contender. Quebec will probably get there through the trade period, but have not been impressive yet. That to me is a problem that will convince Irving that we should go for it again. Sherbrooke Gatineau Quebec Rimouski and even BC and RN have been clearly better than the Cats.Since Quebec got their NHL picks back they have taken off...Gatineau will be better once they get healthy. They have like 6-7 guys out.
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Post by ldub23 on Oct 28, 2014 17:33:15 GMT -4
I read somewhere that Adam Chapman was released by Quebec and Marcus Hinds has been the odd man out in Blainville-Boisbriand. They would be good replacements for little to nothing while Lalonde is out. And could be moved again later, especially if another team is looking for an upgrade or to replace an injured 20 year-old.
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