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Post by Reesor on Apr 13, 2014 19:08:15 GMT -4
Val d'Or it is. Should be a fun series.
Mantha fought in the game today. The playoffs are a different animal.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 13, 2014 19:35:06 GMT -4
Yea I'm hoping for Val d'Or too. Sorta bad luck to HOPE for a certain opponent(careful what you wish for) and in no way should the Foreurs be underestimated.....but I think Moose could expose VD and make it fairly quick series tbh. The main difference between Val-d'Or and Gatineau will be their defense. They are bigger, more skilled and more experienced. I imagine Randy Gazzola is going to want to put a pounding on the team that traded him at the deadline and went on to win the Memorial Cup. He's 6'2" 228lbs. Graves is 6'4" 225. Their whole top 6 is big with the exception of Gelinas who is enough of an offensive threat to counter-act his lack of size. Their size and experience will make a little tougher on our power-play than we've seen so far. Val d'Or gave up more goals in the regular season than Gatineau did. But I think that size and experience will come into play in the playoffs, and goals will still be harder to come by. I'd still rank both Blainville and Rimouski ahead of Val d'Or defensively of course. I'd also say Bibeau is better than Steeves, even though Steeves wasn't the reason Gatineau lost any games. I think in the back of my mind, I want to play the #3 seed to show that Halifax isn't a weak #2 seed, regardless of the weak division they played in. I am sure Gazzola wants to win but dont make it sound like he hates the Moose. He was thankful for the chance as a free agent here and the trade turned out very well for him, which he showed maturity in accepting. The D will be hard to play against but so will the Moose forwards. Perhaps the trade for Islanders players will payoff but it did not make them overwhelming up to now including against Bathurst or Drummond. Halifax cant win this series and likely dont win a game since they played in the weak division. Gatineau would have won 4-0 if they did not take penalties.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 13, 2014 20:03:05 GMT -4
The main difference between Val-d'Or and Gatineau will be their defense. They are bigger, more skilled and more experienced. I imagine Randy Gazzola is going to want to put a pounding on the team that traded him at the deadline and went on to win the Memorial Cup. He's 6'2" 228lbs. Graves is 6'4" 225. Their whole top 6 is big with the exception of Gelinas who is enough of an offensive threat to counter-act his lack of size. Their size and experience will make a little tougher on our power-play than we've seen so far. Val d'Or gave up more goals in the regular season than Gatineau did. But I think that size and experience will come into play in the playoffs, and goals will still be harder to come by. I'd still rank both Blainville and Rimouski ahead of Val d'Or defensively of course. I'd also say Bibeau is better than Steeves, even though Steeves wasn't the reason Gatineau lost any games. I think in the back of my mind, I want to play the #3 seed to show that Halifax isn't a weak #2 seed, regardless of the weak division they played in. I am sure Gazzola wants to win but dont make it sound like he hates the Moose. He was thankful for the chance as a free agent here and the trade turned out very well for him, which he showed maturity in accepting. The D will be hard to play against but so will the Moose forwards. Perhaps the trade for PEI players will payoff but it did not make them overwhelming up to now including against Bathurst or Drummond. Halifax cant win this series and likely dont win a game since they played in the weak division. Gatineau would have won 4-0 if they did not take penalties. Gatineau had one more 5 on 5 goal than Halifax did in that series. What makes you think Halifax wouldn't have won a game? Teams take penalties. It's a fact. Baie-Comeau takes them, Rimouski takes them, and Gatineau takes them. It's a part of the game. The team that can take advantage of those power plays has a huge advantage, and that's what Halifax did. I've maintained that because Halifax was so good on the powerplay, they could afford not to take chances 5 on 5 against Gatineau. They didn't need to open the game up to succeed.
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 13, 2014 20:06:51 GMT -4
I am sure Gazzola wants to win but dont make it sound like he hates the Moose. He was thankful for the chance as a free agent here and the trade turned out very well for him, which he showed maturity in accepting. The D will be hard to play against but so will the Moose forwards. Perhaps the trade for PEI players will payoff but it did not make them overwhelming up to now including against Bathurst or Drummond. Halifax cant win this series and likely dont win a game since they played in the weak division. Gatineau would have won 4-0 if they did not take penalties. Gatineau had one more 5 on 5 goal than Halifax did in that series. What makes you think Halifax wouldn't have won a game? Teams take penalties. It's a fact. Baie-Comeau takes them, Rimouski takes them, and Gatineau takes them. It's a part of the game. The team that can take advantage of those power plays has a huge advantage, and that's what Halifax did. I've maintained that because Halifax was so good on the powerplay, they could afford not to take chances 5 on 5 against Gatineau. They didn't need to open the game up to succeed. I was beating some posters to the punch with that, thought it was out there far enough that it would be obvious, guess not.
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Post by Reesor on Apr 13, 2014 20:07:46 GMT -4
Gatineau had one more 5 on 5 goal than Halifax did in that series. What makes you think Halifax wouldn't have won a game? Teams take penalties. It's a fact. Baie-Comeau takes them, Rimouski takes them, and Gatineau takes them. It's a part of the game. The team that can take advantage of those power plays has a huge advantage, and that's what Halifax did. I've maintained that because Halifax was so good on the powerplay, they could afford not to take chances 5 on 5 against Gatineau. They didn't need to open the game up to succeed. I was beating some posters to the punch with that, thought it was out their far enough that it would be obvious, guess not. You should put a winky face on it. I was in debate mode after my post in the other thread.
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Post by bois on Apr 14, 2014 9:24:04 GMT -4
As I also stated, Groulx is very over-rated. He never has control because his players have no respect for him. You saw typical Olympiques hockey. This has been going on for years. don't bother they still drink the kool aid.. Groulx is not a great coach.. but because he won in the past most of the posters around here still think he is
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Post by Reesor on Apr 14, 2014 10:35:55 GMT -4
As I also stated, Groulx is very over-rated. He never has control because his players have no respect for him. You saw typical Olympiques hockey. This has been going on for years. don't bother they still drink the kool aid.. Groulx is not a great coach.. but because he won in the past most of the posters around here still think he is Is it possible that he'd be considered an "old school coach" and guys like Poirier and Reway just don't respond well to his ways anymore? Could be time for him to move on if he can't reel guys like that in. Gatineau wasn't able to adjust and stop Halifax's power-play. But I still believe that was a lack of experience on the back end, and the blame shouldn't be placed solely on Groulx.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 14, 2014 10:46:41 GMT -4
don't bother they still drink the kool aid.. Groulx is not a great coach.. but because he won in the past most of the posters around here still think he is Is it possible that he'd be considered an "old school coach" and guys like Poirier and Reway just don't respond well to his ways anymore? Could be time for him to move on if he can't reel guys like that in. Gatineau wasn't able to adjust and stop Halifax's power-play. But I still believe that was a lack of experience on the back end, and the blame shouldn't be placed solely on Groulx. Other than discipline issues with top guys (Poirer) Gatineau were a very tough opponent. I think Groulx can be a very effective coach and has the track record to prove it - but he needs a lot of Max Talbot style players to effectively play his game. Not an easy coach to play for, especially if your game is not agitating and grinding basically.
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Post by bois on Apr 14, 2014 11:03:09 GMT -4
He's a bully and a dictator whose time has passed him by
Not a great coach.... his little forray into pro hockey proved it that's why he came back to bully more kids
gulp gulp gulp how's the kool aid
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 14, 2014 11:25:37 GMT -4
He's a bully and a dictator whose time has passed him by Not a great coach.... his little forray into pro hockey proved it that's why he came back to bully more kids gulp gulp gulp how's the kool aid Why the kool aid comments endlessly? Are we not allowed to have a different opinion of his abilities? I`ve seen enough of his coaching to know he will have a tough team to play against usually. He has won titles in 03, 04 and 08. They played our powerhouse team pretty tough last year in the last 2 games, and this series was a war as well. I don`t disagree that his style is getting outdated or that he isn`t a guy that likes to play headgames with his players and the media, or be a bully... but if he has a decent team, they will be tough to play against most years. It`s not kool aid - its actual, visual observations lol.
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Post by stooy44 on Apr 14, 2014 11:59:38 GMT -4
This is an interesting debate.
Groulx had great success in the past when he was only the coach. He won three times, with guys like Maxime Talbot and then Claude Giroux. These were teams built by the GM Charlie Henry, who is now retired. Groulx was handed great clubs, and he won with them.
After his experiment in the pros, he returned and was again handed a team that Charlie had built, though Groulx was technically the GM as well this time. He made a deal to get Devos, and with very hot goaltending by Maxime Clermont the team stretched a fantastic SeaDogs team to six games in the finals, losing two home games in double-overtime.
Then the rebuild began, and this year was the target year. Not a job well done by a GM. It seems clear to me, and to many though not all Olympiques fans, that Groulx is not a good GM. It is my personal opinion that he is no longer a good coach as well, though most people do not agree with me.
It is true that he is a bully, that he acts like a tyrant and his methods may well be outdated. We have had a bit of a musical chairs of players in and out over the last three seasons since so many kids simply will not play for Groulx. Also, it has been suggested that lots of kids tell Gatineau not to draft them because they have no interest in playing for the organization. I would not be surprized if this were true.
I take a lot of insults and criticisms for voicing these opinions on the Olympiques forum. In fact, some of it has happened here as well, I assume by Olympiques fans who come here using another name. Myself and Picoassocat, whom I know personally at the games, use the same name in both places.
I remain of the opinion that Benoit Groulx is terrible as a GM. I remain of the opinion that he is not a very good coach either. I believe that he should be fired. You saw what happened when we played your boys. You guys were better, and deserved to win for sure. BUT, we made it far too easy for you by taking so many dumb penalties. Groulx cannot control his kids, he cannot control himself.
I have been a fan of junior hockey for 50 years. I have been a supporter of the Toronto Marlboroughs, the London Knights, the Guelph Platers, the Ottawa 67s and for the last 8 season, the Gatineau Olympiques. I used to admire from afar the great record and reputation of the Hull/Gatineau Olympiques, and finally I started attending games and then became a season's ticket holder.
Sadly, I have seen the organization being run into the ground, much in the manner of Harold Ballard when he ruined the Toronto Maple Leafs. The only difference is that in Toronto the seats remained full.
You guys have an excellent, class organization. And I wish you all the best the rest of the way and in the future.
Personally, I am not sure what I will do next season. I have the luxury of supporting and becoming a season's ticket holder of the Ottawa 67s if I decide that I have had it with Gatineau. I do prefer the hockey in the Q, and the old Bob is not gone yet. But it is difficult so support an organization you have no confidence in.
I have only scratched the surface with respect to what has been going on in Gatineau over the course of the last three season.
Anyway, it has been a pleasure participating in this forum, and again, GO MOOSE GO!!!
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Post by Hot Water on Apr 15, 2014 16:40:03 GMT -4
^ Thanks pal. You brought some interesting perspectives to the board in recent weeks and showed that it's not that difficult to engage in a reasonable conversation amongst opposing fan bases.
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Post by stooy44 on Apr 16, 2014 11:22:25 GMT -4
^ Thanks pal. You brought some interesting perspectives to the board in recent weeks and showed that it's not that difficult to engage in a reasonable conversation amongst opposing fan bases. Thanks. The problem for me has been to manage a reasonable conversation amongst the Gatineau fan base.
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Post by luckyluke on Apr 19, 2014 20:21:03 GMT -4
Personally, I am not sure what I will do next season. I have the luxury of supporting and becoming a season's ticket holder of the Ottawa 67s if I decide that I have had it with Gatineau. I do prefer the hockey in the Q, and the old Bob is not gone yet. But it is difficult so support an organization you have no confidence in. I have only scratched the surface with respect to what has been going on in Gatineau over the course of the last three season. You have been ****ing on the organization ever since you set foot in the rink. On behalf of the entire true Olympiques' fan base (yes, a hell of a lot of people in Hull can't stand you), please do choose to become an Ottawa 67's season ticket holder. You have shown through and through that you don't deserve to be an Olympiques' fan. Like I said before, you're a clown and to be quite frank, you even look the part.
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