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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 11:03:34 GMT -4
Barbashev to St.Louis at # 33. Johnny MacLeod to TB at #57...wonder if they can use the FBJ connection to try and get him here next year? His plan was to play NCAA. Gendron could go anywhere from #45 to 100, wild card player with great skating, size but very raw. Gendron goes to Ottawa at 70th overall.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2014 11:07:04 GMT -4
Barbashev to St.Louis at # 33. Johnny MacLeod to TB at #57...wonder if they can use the FBJ connection to try and get him here next year? His plan was to play NCAA. Gendron could go anywhere from #45 to 100, wild card player with great skating, size but very raw. Gendron goes to Ottawa at 70th overall. He is more of a project type player, having recently converted to defense, would be surprised if they don't prefer him to go NCAA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 13:54:29 GMT -4
Tkachev goes undrafted.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2014 16:24:43 GMT -4
Not surprised he dropped given that very few Russians were drafted, plus his size really hurts him also. Pretty surprised nobody took a flier in the 6th or 7th round though. He's a project for an NHL team, problem is, most Russians won't play 2-3 years AHL(at 80-100k) when the KHL is dangling millions.
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Post by mav on Jun 29, 2014 2:21:15 GMT -4
The real question now is whether or not McLeod and Gendron's teams get them to report to CHL....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:51:44 GMT -4
Not surprised he dropped given that very few Russians were drafted, plus his size really hurts him also. Pretty surprised nobody took a flier in the 6th or 7th round though. He's a project for an NHL team, problem is, most Russians won't play 2-3 years AHL(at 80-100k) when the KHL is dangling millions. I do not agree that the KHL is a serious threat to the NHL in any way. The level of play is below the NHL and the players that they attract are borderline NHLers and depth players.The kids who want to play in the NHL and are truly dedicated will still play in the NHL. Players past their prime, players who can not compete in the NHL, make it a viable option for a player looking for a payday but it will not attract the elite players in their prime. The NHL is still the show.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 3, 2014 12:00:16 GMT -4
Not surprised he dropped given that very few Russians were drafted, plus his size really hurts him also. Pretty surprised nobody took a flier in the 6th or 7th round though. He's a project for an NHL team, problem is, most Russians won't play 2-3 years AHL(at 80-100k) when the KHL is dangling millions. I do not agree that the KHL is a serious threat to the NHL in any way. The level of play is below the NHL and the players that they attract are borderline NHLers and depth players.The kids who want to play in the NHL and are truly dedicated will still play in the NHL. Players past their prime, players who can not compete in the NHL, make it a viable option for a player looking for a payday but it will not attract the elite players in their prime. The NHL is still the show. The KHL is a huge threat to the NHL, not as a league, but to teams drafting Russian players. ...go count how many Russians are on NHL rosters. For every Russian playing in the NHL there are 3-4 that are NHL caliber playing in the KHL. What kids want to do is completely irrelevant. In 3-4 years Ivan Barabshev won't stay in Peoria making 200k if he can make 2-4 mil in the KHL, regardless of his NHL dream. Do you think Kovalchuk Radulov Morozov etc etc didn't dream of playing in the NHL as kids?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 13:05:37 GMT -4
Kovalchuk, Radulov, and Morozov did play in the NHL...The wheels fell off Kovalchuk in the NHL 5 years ago he bolted for the KHL because he was on the decline in the NHL. Radulov was a lazy floater in the NHL and did not want to compete and work at the level needed to be a star in the league. Ditto for Morozov.
Those guys are more than happy to cash in their huge check play in a mediocre league and not push themselves to play in the best league against the best players. They look a step slow every time they come against Canada in elite competition like the Olympics.
The KHL attracts past their prime and borderline pros.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 3, 2014 13:23:38 GMT -4
Kovalchuk, Radulov, and Morozov did play in the NHL...The wheels fell off Kovalchuk in the NHL 5 years ago he bolted for the KHL because he was on the decline in the NHL. Radulov was a lazy floater in the NHL and did not want to compete and work at the level needed to be a star in the league. Ditto for Morozov. Those guys are more than happy to cash in their huge check play in a mediocre league and not push themselves to play in the best league against the best players. They look a step slow every time they come against Canada in elite competition like the Olympics. The KHL attracts past their prime and borderline pros. How did the "wheels fall off" for Kovalchuk? Talk about pulling garbage out your ass...He went 48-66-114 in 114 games his last 2 years and put up 19 points in leading the Devils to the cup final in 2012. He's one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL if he came back today. Lazy floater or not, Radulov is a 1st line NHLer and he left at 22, not "past his prime" as you suggest. His loss was a huge one for Nashville, he was their best forward at the time or well on the way to becoming it. Moroizov left at 27 coming off a 50 point season. He was the #2 scorer on the team at the time. There are a ton more Russian players who would be very good NHL contributors if not for the KHL. Bottom line, the KHL causes the NHL draft to be almost devoid of Russian players. If an NHL team drafts one and the conditions are not ideal, the player has a bump in the road in their development, that player can pretty quickly be gone and it's an asset lost. Go look at how many Russians were drafted pre KHL, the 4-5 years before and how many are drafted now, the numbers are staggering.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 15:29:01 GMT -4
Kovalchuk, Radulov, and Morozov did play in the NHL...The wheels fell off Kovalchuk in the NHL 5 years ago he bolted for the KHL because he was on the decline in the NHL. Radulov was a lazy floater in the NHL and did not want to compete and work at the level needed to be a star in the league. Ditto for Morozov. Those guys are more than happy to cash in their huge check play in a mediocre league and not push themselves to play in the best league against the best players. They look a step slow every time they come against Canada in elite competition like the Olympics. The KHL attracts past their prime and borderline pros. How did the "wheels fall off" for Kovalchuk? Talk about pulling garbage out your ass...He went 48-66-114 in 114 games his last 2 years and put up 19 points in leading the Devils to the cup final in 2012. He's one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL if he came back today. Lazy floater or not, Radulov is a 1st line NHLer and he left at 22, not "past his prime" as you suggest. His loss was a huge one for Nashville, he was their best forward at the time or well on the way to becoming it. Moroizov left at 27 coming off a 50 point season. He was the #2 scorer on the team at the time. There are a ton more Russian players who would be very good NHL contributors if not for the KHL. Bottom line, the KHL causes the NHL draft to be almost devoid of Russian players. If an NHL team drafts one and the conditions are not ideal, the player has a bump in the road in their development, that player can pretty quickly be gone and it's an asset lost. Go look at how many Russians were drafted pre KHL, the 4-5 years before and how many are drafted now, the numbers are staggering. 50 goals to 30 goals and -26 is wheels falling off...Radulov is not a first line NHL player. On what planet does a team want a selfish, soft, floater who only sees his goalie during the warm up on their first line. Radulov showed his value when he killed Nashville the last time he came back to North America...having first line skill doesn't make you a first liner. Morozov got 50 points on a shit team, somebody has to get points...see Denis Maruk. I do agree that if you give a guy at 25 years old a chance to make 100,000 and plug away in the minors or 2 million at home, it isn't a hard choice. But I think the top end young guys who are ready will still get drafted and end up in the NHL. It becomes more about money and less about chasing an NHL dream as you get older.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 3, 2014 18:29:36 GMT -4
How did the "wheels fall off" for Kovalchuk? Talk about pulling garbage out your ass...He went 48-66-114 in 114 games his last 2 years and put up 19 points in leading the Devils to the cup final in 2012. He's one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL if he came back today. Lazy floater or not, Radulov is a 1st line NHLer and he left at 22, not "past his prime" as you suggest. His loss was a huge one for Nashville, he was their best forward at the time or well on the way to becoming it. Moroizov left at 27 coming off a 50 point season. He was the #2 scorer on the team at the time. There are a ton more Russian players who would be very good NHL contributors if not for the KHL. Bottom line, the KHL causes the NHL draft to be almost devoid of Russian players. If an NHL team drafts one and the conditions are not ideal, the player has a bump in the road in their development, that player can pretty quickly be gone and it's an asset lost. Go look at how many Russians were drafted pre KHL, the 4-5 years before and how many are drafted now, the numbers are staggering. 50 goals to 30 goals and -26 is wheels falling off...Radulov is not a first line NHL player. On what planet does a team want a selfish, soft, floater who only sees his goalie during the warm up on their first line. Radulov showed his value when he killed Nashville the last time he came back to North America...having first line skill doesn't make you a first liner. Morozov got 50 points on a shit team, somebody has to get points...see Denis Maruk. I do agree that if you give a guy at 25 years old a chance to make 100,000 and plug away in the minors or 2 million at home, it isn't a hard choice. But I think the top end young guys who are ready will still get drafted and end up in the NHL. It becomes more about money and less about chasing an NHL dream as you get older. Not sure why you are going on this tangent, there are a pile of other floaters who are on NHL 1st lines. Contrary to your view of things, every NHL 1st or 2nd liner isn't a Kopitar, Toews or Bergeron. Kovalchuk works harder than 75% of NHL 1st liners. Jagr left and was still pretty close to his prime too(though he isn't Russian). Those 3 names are just the tip of the iceberg, there are piles more who would be upgrades on a lot of 2nd and 3rd liners in the NHL and #2-3-4 defensemen, but they make more money at home playing bigger roles. For example: if Lars Eller was Russian he could probably make twice his NHL salary playing 1st line minutes in the KHL. There are a ton of similar examples in the KHL. Bottom line, NHL teams chose a pile less Russians because KHL dollars are out there and they don't like losing assets for free. Instead of posting garbage on star players, you should just admit you're wrong and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 22:34:40 GMT -4
50 goals to 30 goals and -26 is wheels falling off...Radulov is not a first line NHL player. On what planet does a team want a selfish, soft, floater who only sees his goalie during the warm up on their first line. Radulov showed his value when he killed Nashville the last time he came back to North America...having first line skill doesn't make you a first liner. Morozov got 50 points on a shit team, somebody has to get points...see Denis Maruk. I do agree that if you give a guy at 25 years old a chance to make 100,000 and plug away in the minors or 2 million at home, it isn't a hard choice. But I think the top end young guys who are ready will still get drafted and end up in the NHL. It becomes more about money and less about chasing an NHL dream as you get older. Not sure why you are going on this tangent, there are a pile of other floaters who are on NHL 1st lines. Contrary to your view of things, every NHL 1st or 2nd liner isn't a Kopitar, Toews or Bergeron. Kovalchuk works harder than 75% of NHL 1st liners. Jagr left and was still pretty close to his prime too(though he isn't Russian). Those 3 names are just the tip of the iceberg, there are piles more who would be upgrades on a lot of 2nd and 3rd liners in the NHL and #2-3-4 defensemen, but they make more money at home playing bigger roles. For example: if Lars Eller was Russian he could probably make twice his NHL salary playing 1st line minutes in the KHL. There are a ton of similar examples in the KHL. Bottom line, NHL teams chose a pile less Russians because KHL dollars are out there and they don't like losing assets for free. Instead of posting garbage on star players, you should just admit you're wrong and move on. Thank you for displaying the arrogance that makes you the biggest know it all douchebag on this website. If you knew just 10 percent of what you think you know about hockey you would be able to manage Team Canada. You asked why Kovalchuks wheels fell off...I told you. You stated Radulov was a first liner when in reality he is a team killer. You throw names with no proof out there and state your own speculation like it was gospel. Lars Eller doesn't want to play in the KHL he wants to play in the best hockey league in the world and works out like a dog to stay in that league. You are so stupid that you can't see why a player ENDS UP in the KHL instead of fighting to stay in the NHL. Prove something with facts or shut your big stupid cake hole..you know it all douche. Have you ever even played hockey?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 4, 2014 7:13:27 GMT -4
Not sure why you are going on this tangent, there are a pile of other floaters who are on NHL 1st lines. Contrary to your view of things, every NHL 1st or 2nd liner isn't a Kopitar, Toews or Bergeron. Kovalchuk works harder than 75% of NHL 1st liners. Jagr left and was still pretty close to his prime too(though he isn't Russian). Those 3 names are just the tip of the iceberg, there are piles more who would be upgrades on a lot of 2nd and 3rd liners in the NHL and #2-3-4 defensemen, but they make more money at home playing bigger roles. For example: if Lars Eller was Russian he could probably make twice his NHL salary playing 1st line minutes in the KHL. There are a ton of similar examples in the KHL. Bottom line, NHL teams chose a pile less Russians because KHL dollars are out there and they don't like losing assets for free. Instead of posting garbage on star players, you should just admit you're wrong and move on. Thank you for displaying the arrogance that makes you the biggest know it all douchebag on this website. If you knew just 10 percent of what you think you know about hockey you would be able to manage Team Canada. You asked why Kovalchuks wheels fell off...I told you. You stated Radulov was a first liner when in reality he is a team killer. You throw names with no proof out there and state your own speculation like it was gospel. Lars Eller doesn't want to play in the KHL he wants to play in the best hockey league in the world and works out like a dog to stay in that league. You are so stupid that you can't see why a player ENDS UP in the KHL instead of fighting to stay in the NHL. Prove something with facts or shut your big stupid cake hole..you know it all douche. Have you ever even played hockey? You're comical. If anybody is arrogant it's you...when the facts don't match your warped opinion you make up crap to try and give yourself credibility and fail miserably. It has nothing to do about where a guy wants to play, players(especially Russians) will play where they can get paid. Do you really think a 22 year old Russian kid(name any one of them) will play in the AHL for 3 years at 80k if Kazan Ak bars is offering him a 3-4 year deal at 3 mil/year to play at home? THAT's why teams shy away from Russians at the draft...only 13 selected in 2014 out of 210 picks for a hockey power nation. Do you think that's normal when a few years ago from 2000 to 2003 the average was 34 players a year? Now you can crawl back into your hole...
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Jul 4, 2014 8:21:39 GMT -4
Gendron goes to Ottawa at 70th overall. He is more of a project type player, having recently converted to defense, would be surprised if they don't prefer him to go NCAA. If I took a player that converted from forward to defence , I'd want them to play as many games as possible to get comfortable , hence the major junior route.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 4, 2014 8:48:34 GMT -4
He is more of a project type player, having recently converted to defense, would be surprised if they don't prefer him to go NCAA. If I took a player that converted from forward to defence , I'd want them to play as many games as possible to get comfortable , hence the major junior route. NCAA picks get to stay there for up to 4 years without being signed, so for a later round project it might be the best for the NHL team, plus they have tons of practice time to learn a new position. IMHO, for MacLeod, CHL makes more sense, for Gendron it's NCAA.
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