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Post by moosefan66 on May 8, 2014 7:24:50 GMT -4
Unless one of these goalies rated in the late 2nd or later are underrated, we will take the best player available with our 1st pick. Doesn't seem like there's any high end goalies available other than Fitzpatrick, and unless we acquire a top 5 pick, we surely aren't getting him. From all accounts this Crossley kid is somewhat underrated in the draft because he played at Shattuck. Playing there, being a local kid and Brad Crossley's son (95% sure he is), it seems like a natural fit. I've heard a few people say he should be rated in the mid 1st round. Cam has shown in the last couple of drafts he doesn't take a kid just because he's local, so we'll see what happens. I wonder if Cam has a line on an American goalie that isn't rated for the draft? It would be ideal to be able to find a diamond in the rough in the later rounds. Brett is defnitely Brad's son. PEI has been showing a lot of interest in him - barring any moves there's a good chance the Moose won't get a shot at him.
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Post by Reesor on May 8, 2014 7:25:19 GMT -4
I hate to say this, but I love the Wildcats' idea of drafting a ton of Americans in the later rounds, and establishing their market as a good place for Americans to report. Aside from J.F Jacques last year, the odds of people from the 10th round on making the team at any time are slim to nil. I would almost copy Moncton and draft a bunch of Americans. This of course is if we did a thorough job at scouting them. Otherwise it's a waste. More than likely we'll establish our 3 20 year olds before the draft, and attempt to trade the rest. I don't know if Lussier would be a 20yo in this league, but then again, I didn't think Beauchemin would be last year, and he had a much better season than I ever would've imagined. Hopefully we find the right fit for Lussier if he wants to continue his career in the Q. Ciampini would be the guy that would have value. I see us keeping Ryan, Gadoury and Hardie. If for some reason Weegar returns, we trade Hardie laster. With the value other 20yos have had, I'm hoping Ciampini can land us a 1st round pick. It could be wishful thinking, but I don't think it's that far-fetched. If not then suppliment the offer with a later pick. It seems like a strong draft this year, and it would be beneficial to get a 1st rounder somehow. I'm not going to stress out over what Cam does this year, but I do believe it's his toughest season to date, and I can't wait to see what direction he takes. You had a good post going there until you mentioned a 1st for Ciampini. . 40 point 20 year olds are a dime a dozen.......I'm guessing a 4th gets him......if you get a 3rd it's a good deal. I can't see Halifax's favorite whipping boy getting more than that. Most of you guys would be willing to give him away. lol Again, if we could supplement it with a pick to get into the 1st round, I'd be happy. A 1st might be wishful thinking. But give up a 3rd or a 4th along with Ciampini. I'd be happy just to get into the first round. We have next to zero chance of competing next year, so having another good 16yo player to watch would just make the season more enjoyable. My post was still good.
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Post by howitzer on May 8, 2014 8:05:35 GMT -4
I'd be happy just to get into the first round. Well, we basically have a 1st lol. First pick in the 2nd round. We'll get a 1st round talented player, just won't have the "1st round" next to his name.
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Post by Reesor on May 8, 2014 8:15:28 GMT -4
I'd be happy just to get into the first round. Well, we basically have a 1st lol. First pick in the 2nd round. We'll get a 1st round talented player, just won't have the "1st round" next to his name. Yah if we get someone similar to the caliber of Andrew Ryan again with that pick I'd be happy (or find a diamond in the rough). But I'd still like another 1st rounder. Seems like there's a lot of talent in the 1st round this year.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2014 8:24:25 GMT -4
I'd be happy just to get into the first round. Well, we basically have a 1st lol. First pick in the 2nd round. We'll get a 1st round talented player, just won't have the "1st round" next to his name. Exactly! Someone who is rated in the first doesn't mean a team has him rated as a first rounder. The next thing you know they fall into your lap. This draft is looking to be one of the busiest drafts sence the one with the Lewiston disbanding. There are so many Rumours flying around that it will just be fun to see it all play out. Sadly thou there's yet to be anything out there about the Moose. But knowing how Cam works if some of these deals happen there going to be some good players that might be had on the cheap. Also there is no way Ciampini will bring in a 1st round pick. Clapperton got a 1st, are you saying Ciampini is comparable player to Clapperton? Not even close.
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Post by Joe Rogan on May 8, 2014 8:50:14 GMT -4
Also there is no way Ciampini will bring in a 1st round pick. Clapperton got a 1st, are you saying Ciampini is comparable player to Clapperton? Not even close. Actually Clapperton went for a 1st and a 2nd, so based on that market value, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Ciampini could fetch a 1st. I would be ecstatic with a 2nd. As frustrating as Ciampini is to us, because he was a #2 overall pick (the same draft spot as Drouin lol), he's still a serviceable player. He had 13pts in 16 playoff games this year and he can play in a scoring or checking role. Ryan MacKinnon went to Charlottetown for a 1st and a 5th. These prices for 20 year olds are ridiculous imo. We got Critchlow for a 5th and Fournier for a 3rd and an 8th! If the market price is set for 20 year olds, I say we start shopping all of ours and capitalize. If Gadoury can fetch us a 1st + another pick or young player, i'm happy going with Ryan, Hardie and Lussier honestly.
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Post by Citris on May 8, 2014 12:33:32 GMT -4
Also there is no way Ciampini will bring in a 1st round pick. Clapperton got a 1st, are you saying Ciampini is comparable player to Clapperton? Not even close. Actually Clapperton went for a 1st and a 2nd, so based on that market value, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Ciampini could fetch a 1st. I would be ecstatic with a 2nd. As frustrating as Ciampini is to us, because he was a #2 overall pick (the same draft spot as Drouin lol), he's still a serviceable player. He had 13pts in 16 playoff games this year and he can play in a scoring or checking role. Ryan MacKinnon went to Charlottetown for a 1st and a 5th. These prices for 20 year olds are ridiculous imo. We got Critchlow for a 5th and Fournier for a 3rd and an 8th! If the market price is set for 20 year olds, I say we start shopping all of ours and capitalize. If Gadoury can fetch us a 1st + another pick or young player, i'm happy going with Ryan, Hardie and Lussier honestly. Agree with your post.. except the last part. Gadoury will be a Moosehead 100% next season. We cannot trade him even if we got a good offer. The kid didn't give up his NCAA eligibility for a half season of junior with Halifax. Promises were made; if you read anything from people around the team like Palov or Moore, or even Cam himself, they're all saying our overagers will be Gadoury and 2 others. But yes, Ciampini actually did have a surprisingly good playoffs. And with those prices for 20 year olds, a 1st for Ciampini or Ryan doesn't seem farfetched.
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Post by Porkchop on May 8, 2014 12:41:45 GMT -4
I'd be happy just to get into the first round. Well, we basically have a 1st lol. First pick in the 2nd round. We'll get a 1st round talented player, just won't have the "1st round" next to his name. there are about 20 picks in the 1st round this year with a couple compensation picks......really you got the 3rd pick of the 2nd round. If you get your player there, you are getting a 2nd round player, no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2014 13:01:27 GMT -4
Actually Clapperton went for a 1st and a 2nd, so based on that market value, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Ciampini could fetch a 1st. I would be ecstatic with a 2nd. As frustrating as Ciampini is to us, because he was a #2 overall pick (the same draft spot as Drouin lol), he's still a serviceable player. He had 13pts in 16 playoff games this year and he can play in a scoring or checking role. Ryan MacKinnon went to Charlottetown for a 1st and a 5th. These prices for 20 year olds are ridiculous imo. We got Critchlow for a 5th and Fournier for a 3rd and an 8th! If the market price is set for 20 year olds, I say we start shopping all of ours and capitalize. If Gadoury can fetch us a 1st + another pick or young player, i'm happy going with Ryan, Hardie and Lussier honestly. Agree with your post.. except the last part. Gadoury will be a Moosehead 100% next season. We cannot trade him even if we got a good offer. The kid didn't give up his NCAA eligibility for a half season of junior with Halifax. Promises were made; if you read anything from people around the team like Palov or Moore, or even Cam himself, they're all saying our overagers will be Gadoury and 2 others. But yes, Ciampini actually did have a surprisingly good playoffs. And with those prices for 20 year olds, a 1st for Ciampini or Ryan doesn't seem farfetched. It does because I think in both cases it was a team giving offers the other team couldn't say no to so they get that player. BB didn't have to trade Clapperton but when the offer was made they and anyone else jumped all over it. Let be honest MacKinnon is not worth a first but being a PEI boy and the need for a vet Defencemen there, PEI made a strong offer that Rim had to say yes to. There's better 20s from other team that are going to be looking for new homes this off season too. No one will over pay for Luca just not happing. Also he didn't give up his NCAA he lost it earlier and Halifax gave him a chance to play and build some school money up.
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Post by Joe Rogan on May 8, 2014 13:03:02 GMT -4
Agree with your post.. except the last part. Gadoury will be a Moosehead 100% next season. We cannot trade him even if we got a good offer. The kid didn't give up his NCAA eligibility for a half season of junior with Halifax. I get the no trade agreement part. But those can be waived if the player agrees. If you are Gadoury, would you rather spend your last year of junior in Halifax on a mid-pack team? Or agree to a trade to Quebec who will contend for the league title, probably favourites, and are guaranteed to play in the Memorial Cup? If he wants to play pro hockey, he will get more exposure with a team like Quebec.
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Post by statsman18 on May 8, 2014 13:13:42 GMT -4
Agree with your post.. except the last part. Gadoury will be a Moosehead 100% next season. We cannot trade him even if we got a good offer. The kid didn't give up his NCAA eligibility for a half season of junior with Halifax. I get the no trade agreement part. But those can be waived if the player agrees. If you are Gadoury, would you rather spend your last year of junior in Halifax on a mid-pack team? Or agree to a trade to Quebec who will contend for the league title, probably favourites, and are guaranteed to play in the Memorial Cup? If he wants to play pro hockey, he will get more exposure with a team like Quebec. That is up for debate. We will still have Ehlers and Fucale to high picks in the NHL that teams will check in on and he can still be seen there. He might not get top ice time in Que either. And everyone here says the kid want to play pro. I don't think that's the case. He wanted to go NCAA so he probably just wants to go to school after this year.
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Post by howitzer on May 8, 2014 21:06:32 GMT -4
Well, we basically have a 1st lol. First pick in the 2nd round. We'll get a 1st round talented player, just won't have the "1st round" next to his name. there are about 20 picks in the 1st round this year with a couple compensation picks......really you got the 3rd pick of the 2nd round. If you get your player there, you are getting a 2nd round player, no matter how you try to sugar coat it. Let me guess, whoever Halifax takes, you'll run to CSR's rankings, and if the player isn't ranked as a 1st rounder, you'll say you told me so?
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Post by statsman18 on May 9, 2014 7:57:15 GMT -4
If Croslley is still there for the Moose pick I think they should take him. Go check out John Moores site and take a look at his profile (sportsandmoore.com) . Great skater soft hands and a good size. I think they can still find a good goalie with there next pick in the 3rd round. Unless Cam has a big trade in the works to get into the top 4 to get the Fitzgerald kid I think there to many good players to be had with the 21st pick to target a goalie right away.
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Post by mooseinfo on May 9, 2014 9:06:45 GMT -4
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Post by howitzer on May 9, 2014 9:14:18 GMT -4
It's Evan Fitzpatrick not Fitzgerald. Not sure why Willy and John called him Fitzgerald. Well, John gets everybody's name wrong lol.
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