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Post by moosestar on Aug 29, 2014 8:43:01 GMT -4
I'm actually looking forward to these years, if only because I have the chance to be surprised. The last few years have been exciting no doubt, but seeing some unknown (to me) prospects have the chance to develop is a different kind of entertainment.
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Post by nsvees on Aug 29, 2014 8:54:29 GMT -4
It'll be very interesting to see the younger players develop. I can see the team getting better as the season goes along, though if Fucale is dealt (I hope he is to start the rebuild), it'll cost in the standings, but if the kids grow, they'll be better for it in the long run. Hopefully, Resop is the goalie that they can build on making a Fucale trade easier to swallow. "Hopefully, Resop is the goalie that they can build on making a Fucale trade easier to swallow." How will we ever be sure. I do not expect that after Fucale returns from habs camp around mid/late September that Resop will get in enough games to really get a feel for this league and show anything from rare starts. Fucale will play all those games especially if Cam is showcasing him for the best package at the trade deadline...so we want Fucale to play until his pads tear off....its the best thing for the moose in long term. But we will have no idea what Resop can do until Fucale is gone. That decision to move Fucale will be made long b4 Resop takes over the crease in December. I was thinking in retrospect; looking back after trading Fucale and hoping Resop is the guy that becomes the go to guy and you're still in a good situation in goal after Zach is gone. I don't necessarily disagree with your point though; he won't likely play much after Fucale returns from Montreal's camp, but you would like Resop to show signs that he can handle the number 1 job long term after Fucale is gone. The Mooseheads aren't the top contender this year like they have been, so if you trade Fucale and play Resop and he has some growing pains, you can live with them as he'll be better for it in the long term. You'd bring in a goalie who is used to being a backup and can ease the load (and not have your heart in your throat when you put him in) until Resop takes over the top job. Maybe my earlier post wasn't worded how I intended it for it to be interpreted. |
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Post by Joe Rogan on Aug 29, 2014 9:25:15 GMT -4
I think you'll see Resop get a decent amount of starts even when Fucale is here. We are not contending this year so there's no point in working Fucale like a horse. Plus they need to develop Resop with real game action. The last 2 years we had a stopgap backup in Clarke/Darveau and there was no sense in starting those guys unless Fucale really just needed a rest as there was no investment in their development.
We now have a promising 17 year old successor to Fucale. He should get the start every 4-5 games.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 29, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -4
It'll be very interesting to see the younger players develop. I can see the team getting better as the season goes along, though if Fucale is dealt (I hope he is to start the rebuild), it'll cost in the standings, but if the kids grow, they'll be better for it in the long run. Hopefully, Resop is the goalie that they can build on making a Fucale trade easier to swallow. "Hopefully, Resop is the goalie that they can build on making a Fucale trade easier to swallow." How will we ever be sure. I do not expect that after Fucale returns from habs camp around mid/late September that Resop will get in enough games to really get a feel for this league and show anything from rare starts. Fucale will play all those games especially if Cam is showcasing him for the best package at the trade deadline...so we want Fucale to play until his pads tear off....its the best thing for the moose in long term. But we will have no idea what Resop can do until Fucale is gone. That decision to move Fucale will be made long b4 Resop takes over the crease in December. Fucale won't be riding as hard as past years. There is no reason to show case him. His resume speaks for it's self. He's been the starter for the past 3 seasons and has done nothing but win. Yes he had a bad series with Val D'or last year but that's really the only blimp he's had. Show casing just isn't needed. Heres the thing about trading him though. We all know how good he is but this year is unlike most other years. Their is a possibility of a surplus of goalies that can be dealt this year. All of us see him as the biggest trading chip but if Cam gets to greedy with him, other guys who are good can be had for cheaper. Also in saying there's a surplus means not that many team have to look for a new goalie. I said it in another post there is a few teams that by all means should be front runners. The Rims, Ques, and I think Chi too are teams going for it. BC might be able to go for it again. they still have a good line up but there defence might be a little thin. All 4 of those teams play in the same division. The West is really wide open with no out and out "front runner" in that division. Maybe RN can be called the "front runner" their because they I think have the best line up there. Then this division I think CB is a front runner but really Mon and PEI are good too. Halifax could have the best line in the league and if they ride the hell out of that who knows. Our defence is what I think what holds us back. What I'm saying is we could buy instead of sell anyways. And out of any of those teams I named only 2 might need an up grade in net. Those being Que and Chi. If you anyone of these other teams flutter they might cash in on there goalie. Then what do we do if were to late to the dance? |
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Post by looneytunes on Aug 29, 2014 12:14:30 GMT -4
Exactly. No need to go with Fucale for practically every game like the other years.
I understand why some feel they should but there really is little pressure this year to play him almost every game in a down year. The games he get plus his previous success is enough proof that he will be the #1 goalie on the trade market come December.
From an out of towners perspective it will be nice to see how he handles himself on a team that is not stacked. He will likely be fine but I will like to see.
Also , you all should want to give Resop a nice chunk of games. Get him into the league while walking the fine line between rushing him in and not playing him at all. If he was to get played as previous backups he would be rushed in come January.
On the point where some might be scared that they will not get enough for him this is what I have to say.
1) If Halifax surprises this year and is among the top of the division ( Unlikely but I would like to compare that to CB's 08 season ) I would find it foolish to trade him.
2) Fucale is top 3 out of goaltenders wanted in this league. You may mention a surplus in tenders but you also have to add in the fact that this is a Q year to host the Memorial Cup. I say the two balance each other out.
3) If the slim chance occurs that all talk fails and the best Halifax can get is peanuts then you simply do not trade him. As simple as that.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 29, 2014 12:28:18 GMT -4
I think it would be like bizarro world if we couldn't get a 1st for him. He is only 19 as well which should be more attractive then trading for a goalie that will require a free overage spot. He seems to thrive when he is busy in net and that is how it will be this year, so I think he will play great this year. Watching him in his first game back in Truro he looked so calm and relaxed in there. He reminds me of the goalie in the rod hockey games where he moves so square post to post and always looks to be in the right spot to make the save.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 29, 2014 12:38:30 GMT -4
I think it would be like bizarro world if we couldn't get a 1st for him. He is only 19 as well which should be more attractive then trading for a goalie that will require a free overage spot. He seems to thrive when he is busy in net and that is how it will be this year, so I think he will play great this year. Watching him in his first game back in Truro he looked so calm and relaxed in there. He reminds me of the goalie in the rod hockey games where he moves so square post to post and always looks to be in the right spot to make the save. There's no question he will get a first rounder, but he should get 2 to 3 assets really. But as for the overage part there 3 guys that are really good overages that can do the trick. Yeah it takes up that spot but if Fucale cost 3 assets and you can get Auger for 2 or Whitney, Dubeau for 1 asset what might you do. Of course Fucale is the best there but all 3 of those guys can do the trick. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 13:44:16 GMT -4
I think it would be like bizarro world if we couldn't get a 1st for him. He is only 19 as well which should be more attractive then trading for a goalie that will require a free overage spot. He seems to thrive when he is busy in net and that is how it will be this year, so I think he will play great this year. Watching him in his first game back in Truro he looked so calm and relaxed in there. He reminds me of the goalie in the rod hockey games where he moves so square post to post and always looks to be in the right spot to make the save. There's no question he will get a first rounder, but he should get 2 to 3 assets really. But as for the overage part there 3 guys that are really good overages that can do the trick. Yeah it takes up that spot but if Fucale cost 3 assets and you can get Auger for 2 or Whitney, Dubeau for 1 asset what might you do. Of course Fucale is the best there but all 3 of those guys can do the trick. And make the 1st rounder a 2016, NOT a 2015 as in 2015 you are getting a late round 1st. Imagine the team that he gets traded to tanks in 2016 and ...... well just Google Joey Vellano.... or Drouin with size. |
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 29, 2014 13:59:20 GMT -4
There's no question he will get a first rounder, but he should get 2 to 3 assets really. But as for the overage part there 3 guys that are really good overages that can do the trick. Yeah it takes up that spot but if Fucale cost 3 assets and you can get Auger for 2 or Whitney, Dubeau for 1 asset what might you do. Of course Fucale is the best there but all 3 of those guys can do the trick. And make the 1st rounder a 2016, NOT a 2015 as in 2015 you are getting a late round 1st. Imagine the team that he gets traded to tanks in 2016 and ...... well just Google Joey Vellano.... or Drouin with size. Yeah I saw a story that they were doing on Vellano and he is a huge Drouin fan. Was even wearing number 27. Wasn't sure when his draft year was. That would be amazing to draft a guy like that...not American is he?..haha...just kidding. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 14:17:10 GMT -4
And make the 1st rounder a 2016, NOT a 2015 as in 2015 you are getting a late round 1st. Imagine the team that he gets traded to tanks in 2016 and ...... well just Google Joey Vellano.... or Drouin with size. Yeah I saw a story that they were doing on Vellano and he is a huge Drouin fan. Was even wearing number 27. Wasn't sure when his draft year was. That would be amazing to draft a guy like that...not American is he?..haha...just kidding. No he is from Quebec and I'm pretty sure he got exceptional status to play QAAA at 14. There may be an even better one the year after that in Xavier Parent, a 2001 born. Both of these kids already have their own threads in the prospects section on Hockeys Future. |
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Post by Gman on Aug 29, 2014 14:21:47 GMT -4
Yes that's what I meant and I meant play on the same line, as in 3 forwards and 2 D to clarify. Anyone else read on twitter that Ehlers is trying to crack the Jets lineup this season; I'm not sure he's NHL ready but wouldn't that be something lose Nik and Jo in the same season. So essentially you are asking if we will ever see them on the ice together. I would say the answer is yes, at some point during the season, whether it be intentional or fluke, we will see Ford and Fortier play at the same time.  |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Sept 1, 2014 7:40:08 GMT -4
I think it would be like bizarro world if we couldn't get a 1st for him. He is only 19 as well which should be more attractive then trading for a goalie that will require a free overage spot. He seems to thrive when he is busy in net and that is how it will be this year, so I think he will play great this year. Watching him in his first game back in Truro he looked so calm and relaxed in there. He reminds me of the goalie in the rod hockey games where he moves so square post to post and always looks to be in the right spot to make the save. There's no question he will get a first rounder, but he should get 2 to 3 assets really. But as for the overage part there 3 guys that are really good overages that can do the trick. Yeah it takes up that spot but if Fucale cost 3 assets and you can get Auger for 2 or Whitney, Dubeau for 1 asset what might you do. Of course Fucale is the best there but all 3 of those guys can do the trick. Excellent point. Saint John is surely interested in beating Halifax to the punch on this type of trade when the value will be highest. I am sure that the Dogs have thrown Auger's name out in wind before and have some idea what he could fetch when they really want to shop him. The sellers (3 Maritime Teams) may get in each others way and greediness may work against one or two. It would be quite a feather in SJ cap to get a trade done before Halifax and haul back a better loot. |
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Post by Murph on Sept 1, 2014 8:28:15 GMT -4
There's no question he will get a first rounder, but he should get 2 to 3 assets really. But as for the overage part there 3 guys that are really good overages that can do the trick. Yeah it takes up that spot but if Fucale cost 3 assets and you can get Auger for 2 or Whitney, Dubeau for 1 asset what might you do. Of course Fucale is the best there but all 3 of those guys can do the trick. Excellent point. Saint John is surely interested in beating Halifax to the punch on this type of trade when the value will be highest. I am sure that the Dogs have thrown Auger's name out in wind before and have some idea what he could fetch when they really want to shop him. The sellers (3 Maritime Teams) may get in each others way and greediness may work against one or two. It would be quite a feather in SJ cap to get a trade done before Halifax and haul back a better loot. I don't see Moncton as a seller at all. Not sure why people think that. They have depth issues, but they quite likely have the best top 2 lines in the division. |
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Post by howitzer on Sept 1, 2014 8:33:41 GMT -4
If we move him, I have a feeling we won't get what everybody expects we'll get for Fucale.....but it will still be a good haul.
Most definitely a 1st, that's a given lol. 3 assets, 2 prime and 1 avg.
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Post by Citris on Sept 1, 2014 9:04:47 GMT -4
I don't see Moncton as a seller at all. Not sure why people think that. They have depth issues, but they quite likely have the best top 2 lines in the division. This has been my position all along. Best top 2 lines in the division and an underrated Goalie. They will win some games. |
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