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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 10:14:14 GMT -4
Oh gawd the thought of even a small buy by Cam this year makes me want to puke. I want to see the team win and be competitive but I hope they don't do too well between now and December. The Mooseheads don't want to pull a ****ing Moncton from 2 years ago and buy when there is absolutely no justifiable reason for doing so.
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Post by Reesor on Sept 19, 2014 10:19:56 GMT -4
Oh gawd the thought of even a small buy by Cam this year makes me want to puke. I want to see the team win and be competitive but I hope they don't do too well between now and December. The Mooseheads don't want to pull a ****ing Moncton from 2 years ago and buy when there is absolutely no justifiable reason for doing so. Not quite that bad. Moncton had a very good team that year, and it was their go-for-it year. Halifax just had a once-in-a-generation team. Can't be scared to try in your go-for-it year. Maybe closer to Cape Breton 2010.
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Post by mooseinfo on Sept 19, 2014 10:28:27 GMT -4
At least he actually talked about having the assets to move to speed up the rebuild. He never entertained that idea (at least in media) last year, always talking about being competitive every year. Hopefully he does the right thing this year. It could end up being like 1 of those 3 bad years, but hopefully we will come out on the upswing as soon as next year. If Ehlers almost makes Winnipeg this year (sticks around for some NHL action), he should probably go from "maybe trade bait" to definitely trade bait, as he will likely make the team next year. If we moved 3 or 4 of Gadoury, Ehlers, Fucale and Murphy - yikes. January on will be tough but realistically we would have some more talented youth in the lineup and early picks on the way. Those type of talents are how you can set yourself up for the next 5 yrs especially in a Mem Cup year. On the flip side you still need to fit in new parts and make sure you dont damage what you have by making them play over their heads. Winning has its merits in development/experience. Trading for vets does not mean you cant still add assets on the positive side. Just holds you over so talent gets proper icetime.
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Post by johnstrow on Sept 23, 2014 13:48:30 GMT -4
Fucale on his way back from the habs today. Just saw the news on twitter. Murphy released by Ottawa as well and the rumor is that Gadoury plays this weekend as well. Almost back to a full team now!
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Post by Reesor on Sept 23, 2014 14:09:32 GMT -4
Fucale on his way back from the habs today. Just saw the news on twitter. Murphy released by Ottawa as well and the rumor is that Gadoury plays this weekend as well. Almost back to a full team now! All we need is Ehlers, Marino, Drouin, MacKinnon and Hayden to come back and we'd compete for a championship. Edit: Just thought of a line consisting of Drouin - MacKinnon - Ehlers
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Post by Citris on Sept 23, 2014 16:23:52 GMT -4
Fucale on his way back from the habs today. Just saw the news on twitter. Murphy released by Ottawa as well and the rumor is that Gadoury plays this weekend as well. Almost back to a full team now! All we need is Ehlers, Marino, Drouin, MacKinnon and Hayden to come back and we'd compete for a championship. Lol well, it was conceivable that we could have had Drouin, MacKinnon, Ehlers and Eichel on the same team XD How would that power-play look XD?
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Post by howitzer on Sept 23, 2014 17:57:05 GMT -4
All we need is Ehlers, Marino, Drouin, MacKinnon and Hayden to come back and we'd compete for a championship. Lol well, it was conceivable that we could have had Drouin, MacKinnon, Ehlers and Eichel on the same team XD How would that power-play look XD? My god, could you imagine. Even having Drouin, Ehlers and Eichel would have been ridiculous. Everybody knew MacKinnon was going to be in the NHL at 18, but just the thought those four COULD have been on the same team, is quite amusing.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 24, 2014 8:41:41 GMT -4
Ok I know this is fully Cart before the Horse but I couldn't help but start thinking of the return we can get for Druion. Anyone else think this once they heard about the broken finger?
I know last year I was trade him trade him trade him. Until they basically stood pat at trade dead line I didn't think they could do what they did. Now him coming back (ifT Bay thinks he should) could make us good again. Elhers and Drouin back together again would be great to watch but we don't have the supporting cast like we did last year. We'd have 1 line of Drouin, Elhers, and Gadoury. Our second line would be Falkinham, Fortier, and Meier which isn't bad but it's no Ryan, Andrews and Elhers.
If he did come back I would hope that Cam doesn't look at the 2 lines I just said and thinks he should go for it. If he goes with a selling mind set we could be in position to go for another 3 year run.
I know it's a huge maybe but thought it would be fun to start something here.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 24, 2014 9:13:00 GMT -4
Ok I know this is fully Cart before the Horse but I couldn't help but start thinking of the return we can get for Druion. Anyone else think this once they heard about the broken finger? I know last year I was trade him trade him trade him. Until they basically stood pat at trade dead line I didn't think they could do what they did. Now him coming back (ifT Bay thinks he should) could make us good again. Elhers and Drouin back together again would be great to watch but we don't have the supporting cast like we did last year. We'd have 1 line of Drouin, Elhers, and Gadoury. Our second line would be Falkinham, Fortier, and Meier which isn't bad but it's no Ryan, Andrews and Elhers. If he did come back I would hope that Cam doesn't look at the 2 lines I just said and thinks he should go for it. If he goes with a selling mind set we could be in position to go for another 3 year run. I know it's a huge maybe but thought it would be fun to start something here. I think TB know sending Drouin back to junior would be a big mistake, as it was sometimes hard to keep him motivated last year, let alone this year. His game/development needs the next challenge. However, the only POSSIBLE scenario I could see would be if he starts slowly (very possible especially where he will miss all pre-season) and they limit his icetime, and send him to the World Juniors so he can play a lot and dominate. If that is the case, PERHAPS they agree that returning him to junior for the 2nd half (provided he is traded to a contender) would be the best thing for him. I really can't see this at all though - I think they will have him stick with the club all NHL season, maybe lending him to world juniors only for the playing time if he is buried in depth in the NHL.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Sept 24, 2014 9:25:33 GMT -4
Even dreaming that Drouin gets sent back, as extremely unlikely as that is, the problem wouldn't be up front. A top 6 of Ehlers-Drouin-Gadoury/Falkenham-Fortier-Meier is actually pretty solid and would be among the best in the league. Bottom 6 would be very ordinary, though.
The glaring weakness is on D. After Murphy and Hardie experience is non-existent. Unless Weegar was sent back, which is even less likely than Drouin because he has AHL/ECHL options, we would need a better 20 year old than Lussier and another top 4 dman. We could survive with a 3rd pair of the best 2 of Ford/Taillefer/Nauss/Fitzgeralds.
IF we got Drouin and Weegar back by some stroke of extreme luck and fate, another run would be possible. But the likelihood of that happening is ridiculously low.
As for the return on Drouin, it's fun to salivate at the possibility but it would depend on the team and their assets available. Probably looking at 4-5 prime assets (a mix of 1sts, 16 year olds with upside and placeholder picks for players at the draft).
It would be fun to get him back in mid November (after he heals, gets his 9 games), get a month worth of Drouin entertainment and witness the Drouin sweepstakes in a Memorial Cup year for the Q. A perfect storm for one of the most dominant junior players of this generation.
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Post by mooseinfo on Sept 24, 2014 9:58:56 GMT -4
IF Drouin was sent back, as well as Ehlers (more likely), I cant imagine Russell trading him. Even the current team as is without Drouin leaves me with doubts of Russell going the trade/rebuild route. That being said a full sell off would need to start early to max return. 20s and Euro would need to have destinations with more teams committed and in a HAVE to have Drouin bid. Would make no sense to trade a Drouin and keep parts that give you no chance to win but are gone next year. In any case Drouin would likely be late return to Q leaving a quick decision or if other trades are already written a automatic one.
Often Halifax keeps players because they made a commitment to giving them a stable place to play and/or they have came here in the first place to get out of dodge! IE Murphy. Remaining players would need to have added vets to make the games tolerable.
I was for the run last year all in trade off this year route. More assets back is better for this BUT only if it does not reverse that scenario.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 24, 2014 13:20:32 GMT -4
Ok I know this is fully Cart before the Horse but I couldn't help but start thinking of the return we can get for Druion. Anyone else think this once they heard about the broken finger? I know last year I was trade him trade him trade him. Until they basically stood pat at trade dead line I didn't think they could do what they did. Now him coming back (ifT Bay thinks he should) could make us good again. Elhers and Drouin back together again would be great to watch but we don't have the supporting cast like we did last year. We'd have 1 line of Drouin, Elhers, and Gadoury. Our second line would be Falkinham, Fortier, and Meier which isn't bad but it's no Ryan, Andrews and Elhers. If he did come back I would hope that Cam doesn't look at the 2 lines I just said and thinks he should go for it. If he goes with a selling mind set we could be in position to go for another 3 year run. I know it's a huge maybe but thought it would be fun to start something here. I think TB know sending Drouin back to junior would be a big mistake, as it was sometimes hard to keep him motivated last year, let alone this year. His game/development needs the next challenge. However, the only POSSIBLE scenario I could see would be if he starts slowly (very possible especially where he will miss all pre-season) and they limit his icetime, and send him to the World Juniors so he can play a lot and dominate. If that is the case, PERHAPS they agree that returning him to junior for the 2nd half (provided he is traded to a contender) would be the best thing for him. I really can't see this at all though - I think they will have him stick with the club all NHL season, maybe lending him to world juniors only for the playing time if he is buried in depth in the NHL. You brought up a side I never even thought of. The world Jr's. His time line to recovery it almost makes sense for him to be lent this year. Might as well say he doesn't see any playing time till November give him 9 games and if he still isn't up to speed lend him to Team Canada and let him go there and domanate (again) to maybe get his ego back. Even if he doesn't come back to the moose I do actually see this happening it just seems to make sense.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 8, 2014 14:59:08 GMT -4
I don't know if this is the spot for this but it needs to be said. What was with all the hate for Watt coming out of training camp? A boat load of people on this board wanted him cut. I think he's playing great. I actually would like to see him get some PK time. He skates his ass off all game hits who ever he can and has even shown up on the score card here and there. Am I the only who think this?
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 8, 2014 15:17:09 GMT -4
I don't know if this is the spot for this but it needs to be said. What was with all the hate for Watt coming out of training camp? A boat load of people on this board wanted him cut. I think he's playing great. I actually would like to see him get some PK time. He skates his ass off all game hits who ever he can and has even shown up on the score card here and there. Am I the only who think this? Actually I was an anti Watt person during training camp and I have totally changed my view on him. I guess I have been spoiled by watching Drouin, MacKinnon and others and wasn`t overly excited by his style of play, but I actually appreciate what he has done and how he has played so far.
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Post by howitzer on Oct 8, 2014 20:09:32 GMT -4
I don't know if this is the spot for this but it needs to be said. What was with all the hate for Watt coming out of training camp? A boat load of people on this board wanted him cut. I think he's playing great. I actually would like to see him get some PK time. He skates his ass off all game hits who ever he can and has even shown up on the score card here and there. Am I the only who think this? I didn't get the negativity either. He had an ok rookie season....nothing great, but wasn't terrible. He just lacked confidence. He's had a good start though, potted a few goals, had some other chances. He's a guy who seems to know exactly the style of game he's good at, just looking to find his comfort level in the league. I see improvement so far this year, so seems to be trending in the right direction. He's a depth guy, but we've all seen the value hard nosed, gritty, depth guys bring to a team. They don't get the headlines, but are important to overall team success.
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