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Post by eaglefan62 on May 20, 2014 12:02:54 GMT -4
With the upcoming draft and trade period less than two weeks away, should be interesting to see what the Eagles do with the goaltending situation. Since the arrival of Dumont, it has been a revolving carousel of names, Legace, Bureau, Marchand and Fortin all had cracks at the job last year. IMO,Dumont gave up on Marchand too quickly, while Bureau was given a bevy of chances before they realized he was not the answer.The only one left standing right now is Fortin, who was neither brillianr or terrible last year.There have been rumours of a 20 year old heading this way,(Auger or Brassard), while there has been also a rumour of Cadorette(19) heading in this direction. Personally, I would like to see them bring in a 19 yeat old (Cadorette?) as opposed to a 20 year old. We have a good crop of 20s this year and I would not like to see us lose one of them to bring in a 20 year old goalie, unless there is something else good coming with the goalie. Maybe we will be lucky and we will get Fitzpatrick with the number 5 pick. We have had tremendous success in earlier years with 16 year old goalies(Fleury, Houle and Roy). These guys all came in here at 16 and stole the starting job, so it is possible for a 16 year old to carry the ball. The rumour of Cadorette and Vanier heading this way intrigues me, but I wonder what the cost would be to pull that trade off? Ideal scenario would be if we could get both Cadotette and Fitzpatrick.
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Post by prostar on May 20, 2014 13:06:00 GMT -4
So eaglefan62,
Help me understand your rational as I am completely baffled from what I have been reading lately about our team. We have 2 1st round picks and I believe 3 2nd round picks might be wrong here as I believe we lost one in the Bureau trade to the Phoenix which is not finalized yet and possibly we have moved from 19 overall to 13th right.
I see a whole bunch of posts talking about 20 year old goalies with some saying this is a bad decision and others saying well maybe. Here is my dilemma we have Mr. Dumont who has seemed to be all over the map with his goalies Lagace, Bureau, Marchand, Fortin & the others before that Trudeau Hozan I believe.
Bureau from what I witnessed has been given numerous opportunities to become the number # 1 but has not been able to grasp it, Marchand in my mind and let's be honest was not really given that much of an opportunity. Now we have this Fortin kid who last year from what I read had 8 wins and 1 lost in Rimouski and 8 wins and 2 lists with us for 16 wins and 3 lost and if you go to QMJHL site he has 25 wins and 7 losses in two years of experience in the league.
Unfortunately his stats got all blown up in two maybe three games with us, he was put into the net either on relief to Bureau or starting like his first game against Victo after just being traded which was brutal and the fact that we had bad playoffs were going to throw in the towel on Fortin & Bureau as well because of course it was all Bureau and Fortin's fault that we did so bad against Gatineau right.
Hey Eagle fans have a look at the game tapes and watch how many times we coughed up the puck in our own zone but hey that's the goalies fault again right, like Fucale against Val D'or it was all his fault right and Brassard in Quebec the last 2 years against Rouyn when things went wrong and they loss, come on folks look at the teams & experience/talent both Fucale & Brassard had in front of them and look at the young defensive we had and I have said this before the game of hockey is a team sport even forwards have to come back and play defensive in their own zone.
What I'm trying to get at with all this as :::Eaglefan62 states (the only one left standing now is Fortin, who was neither brilliant or terrible last year) ok 8 wins and 2 lost hmm not bad and 19 years old as well and he has truly been given a a real chance like Marchand right oh well I guess the grass is greener on the other side of the fence like Cadorette with one hell of a team in front of him again and unfortunately we will never know about Fortin because were already throwing in the towel on him right…
Go and have a look at the QMJHL sites do your homework on the goalies and you will see that guys like Auger, Cupper who had so so teams in front of them had an average of 30 + shots per when others had about 22+ shots per game and had a very good team in front of them.
OH and I'm not saying the our Eagles don't have a good team damm we were one of the best team's in the league for goals for but also one of the worst team's for goals against if you ask me not all the goalies we have gone through are bad it's just because we have a very decent offensive team that has big issues on their defensive part of the game so maybe just maybe a Fucale, Brassard, Cadorette may stop some bleeding they will not be the total answer we need a better defensive system in place so we can compete better as a team yeah I KNOW A LONG MESSAGE BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS RIGHT BEFORE HAND…..
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Post by prostar on May 20, 2014 13:12:35 GMT -4
AHHH Sorry forgot one thing you build team's from the back/forward some would say so let's try and build by the draft with (FITZPATRICK) as Dumont has been saying that his possible go year is next year right….. damm I write to fast not 2014/2015 but 2015/2016
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Post by Citris on May 20, 2014 14:35:52 GMT -4
To me, if you're drafting a Fitzpatrick or other high-end 98 born goaltender, then a 20 makes sense as your starter this year. Give him a year to be a backup, learn from a veteran like Brassard, and then take the reigns as a 17 year old. That's not overly crazy.
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Post by seagle on May 20, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -4
So eaglefan62, Help me understand your rational as I am completely baffled from what I have been reading lately about our team. We have 2 1st round picks and I believe 3 2nd round picks might be wrong here as I believe we lost one in the Bureau trade to the Phoenix which is not finalized yet and possibly we have moved from 19 overall to 13th right. I see a whole bunch of posts talking about 20 year old goalies with some saying this is a bad decision and others saying well maybe. Here is my dilemma we have Mr. Dumont who has seemed to be all over the map with his goalies Lagace, Bureau, Marchand, Fortin & the others before that Trudeau Hozan I believe. Bureau from what I witnessed has been given numerous opportunities to become the number # 1 but has not been able to grasp it, Marchand in my mind and let's be honest was not really given that much of an opportunity. Now we have this Fortin kid who last year from what I read had 8 wins and 1 lost in Rimouski and 8 wins and 2 lists with us for 16 wins and 3 lost and if you go to QMJHL site he has 25 wins and 7 losses in two years of experience in the league. Unfortunately his stats got all blown up in two maybe three games with us, he was put into the net either on relief to Bureau or starting like his first game against Victo after just being traded which was brutal and the fact that we had bad playoffs were going to throw in the towel on Fortin & Bureau as well because of course it was all Bureau and Fortin's fault that we did so bad against Gatineau right. Hey Eagle fans have a look at the game tapes and watch how many times we coughed up the puck in our own zone but hey that's the goalies fault again right, like Fucale against Val D'or it was all his fault right and Brassard in Quebec the last 2 years against Rouyn when things went wrong and they loss, come on folks look at the teams & experience/talent both Fucale & Brassard had in front of them and look at the young defensive we had and I have said this before the game of hockey is a team sport even forwards have to come back and play defensive in their own zone. What I'm trying to get at with all this as :::Eaglefan62 states (the only one left standing now is Fortin, who was neither brilliant or terrible last year) ok 8 wins and 2 lost hmm not bad and 19 years old as well and he has truly been given a a real chance like Marchand right oh well I guess the grass is greener on the other side of the fence like Cadorette with one hell of a team in front of him again and unfortunately we will never know about Fortin because were already throwing in the towel on him right… Go and have a look at the QMJHL sites do your homework on the goalies and you will see that guys like Auger, Cupper who had so so teams in front of them had an average of 30 + shots per when others had about 22+ shots per game and had a very good team in front of them. OH and I'm not saying the our Eagles don't have a good team damm we were one of the best team's in the league for goals for but also one of the worst team's for goals against if you ask me not all the goalies we have gone through are bad it's just because we have a very decent offensive team that has big issues on their defensive part of the game so maybe just maybe a Fucale, Brassard, Cadorette may stop some bleeding they will not be the total answer we need a better defensive system in place so we can compete better as a team yeah I KNOW A LONG MESSAGE BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS RIGHT BEFORE HAND….. I would like to build from the net out. Last off season we concentrated on our Defense. Certainly a need and vast improvements have been made. Goaltending was left to Bureau. I agreed with that then. It did not work out. I do not share your thoughts on Fortin. Dumont has never stated a go to year. Actually quite the opposite. However our strong group of 96's leaves us with our best hope of a contender. Dumont has acknowledged this and is obvious to anyone. I want Fitzgerald and would make him our prime target when moving our assets. However I do not want to count on a 17 year old netminder in our goal for what will be our best team in a long long time. For this reason I want a proven 95 goalie to play with Bishop and all for the 15-16 season. This also will help our relatively weak group of 95's as we need to have three 20 year olds from that group and right now we may have one. That is my wish list. I have no idea what is actually available. No, the goaltending was certainly not solely to blame, but they deserve a share of it. At this point it is our greatest need |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 21, 2014 0:00:04 GMT -4
So eaglefan62, Help me understand your rational as I am completely baffled from what I have been reading lately about our team. We have 2 1st round picks and I believe 3 2nd round picks might be wrong here as I believe we lost one in the Bureau trade to the Phoenix which is not finalized yet and possibly we have moved from 19 overall to 13th right. I see a whole bunch of posts talking about 20 year old goalies with some saying this is a bad decision and others saying well maybe. Here is my dilemma we have Mr. Dumont who has seemed to be all over the map with his goalies Lagace, Bureau, Marchand, Fortin & the others before that Trudeau Hozan I believe. Bureau from what I witnessed has been given numerous opportunities to become the number # 1 but has not been able to grasp it, Marchand in my mind and let's be honest was not really given that much of an opportunity. Now we have this Fortin kid who last year from what I read had 8 wins and 1 lost in Rimouski and 8 wins and 2 lists with us for 16 wins and 3 lost and if you go to QMJHL site he has 25 wins and 7 losses in two years of experience in the league. Unfortunately his stats got all blown up in two maybe three games with us, he was put into the net either on relief to Bureau or starting like his first game against Victo after just being traded which was brutal and the fact that we had bad playoffs were going to throw in the towel on Fortin & Bureau as well because of course it was all Bureau and Fortin's fault that we did so bad against Gatineau right. Hey Eagle fans have a look at the game tapes and watch how many times we coughed up the puck in our own zone but hey that's the goalies fault again right, like Fucale against Val D'or it was all his fault right and Brassard in Quebec the last 2 years against Rouyn when things went wrong and they loss, come on folks look at the teams & experience/talent both Fucale & Brassard had in front of them and look at the young defensive we had and I have said this before the game of hockey is a team sport even forwards have to come back and play defensive in their own zone. What I'm trying to get at with all this as :::Eaglefan62 states (the only one left standing now is Fortin, who was neither brilliant or terrible last year) ok 8 wins and 2 lost hmm not bad and 19 years old as well and he has truly been given a a real chance like Marchand right oh well I guess the grass is greener on the other side of the fence like Cadorette with one hell of a team in front of him again and unfortunately we will never know about Fortin because were already throwing in the towel on him right… Go and have a look at the QMJHL sites do your homework on the goalies and you will see that guys like Auger, Cupper who had so so teams in front of them had an average of 30 + shots per when others had about 22+ shots per game and had a very good team in front of them. OH and I'm not saying the our Eagles don't have a good team damm we were one of the best team's in the league for goals for but also one of the worst team's for goals against if you ask me not all the goalies we have gone through are bad it's just because we have a very decent offensive team that has big issues on their defensive part of the game so maybe just maybe a Fucale, Brassard, Cadorette may stop some bleeding they will not be the total answer we need a better defensive system in place so we can compete better as a team yeah I KNOW A LONG MESSAGE BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS RIGHT BEFORE HAND….. I would like to build from the net out. Last off season we concentrated on our Defense. Certainly a need and vast improvements have been made. Goaltending was left to Bureau. I agreed with that then. It did not work out. I do not share your thoughts on Fortin. Dumont has never stated a go to year. Actually quite the opposite. However our strong group of 96's leaves us with our best hope of a contender. Dumont has acknowledged this and is obvious to anyone. I want Fitzgerald and would make him our prime target when moving our assets. However I do not want to count on a 17 year old netminder in our goal for what will be our best team in a long long time. For this reason I want a proven 95 goalie to play with Bishop and all for the 15-16 season. This also will help our relatively weak group of 95's as we need to have three 20 year olds from that group and right now we may have one. That is my wish list. I have no idea what is actually available. No, the goaltending was certainly not solely to blame, but they deserve a share of it. At this point it is our greatest need Best post in the thread. Focusing on a "go for it" year causes you to put all your eggs in 1 basket and if something goes wrong you're screwed. If at the Xmas trading period this team has an electric offense and steady defence in front of a veteran goaltender is anyone going to complain about 'going for it'? I also think some are completely over-rating the 20's coming back here and an upgrade at such a key position, if it's the right player, is not a bad thing. A steady veteran handling the load while a 16yr old prospect learns the ropes is definitely the way to go for this team right now, especially if the youngster can shoulder a large load at 17 and develop with the defencemen. It's also easy to see a future contender built around the youth from last years draft and this one butI think it's all a conversation that needs to be had after the draft when we can put names to roles instead of speculation about picks we may not even own come draft day. |
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Post by statsman18 on May 22, 2014 14:17:40 GMT -4
Eaglesfan seething needs to be straightened out here the Cadorette talk is just that talk. It is not a rumour. Someone said they would like to see the Eagles go get him instead and that's it. So you can't call it a rumour, it's a wish list.
Jack I don't understand what your saying about your 20s. Are you saying the ones you have are being over rated or under? Plus you guys don't know what 20s you'll end up with come training camp time. I know the rumour that got started by the worst source in the league about Auger. Here's the thing though if you get Darcy and Hache back Auger sorta makes sense. A solid goalie to fill out the team. But if those 2 move on Farrell and Lagare would be alright too. They both got 30 goals last year. Might want to up grade a 20yo Defencemen in this case. I think as for you guys 20yo case your looking alright. On the roster right now you have 2 A player and 2 B+ type guys.
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Post by 53caper on May 22, 2014 14:42:28 GMT -4
I can't see them not taking farrell back. He had a good year and being a local I dont think they will trying to upset some of the fans (remember cuzner). We should not be looking at trading for a 20 yo goalie over the summer, I do believe if we get fitzpatrick give him the reigns (remember olivier roy) and see what he can do and have fortin on the bench. Fortin was 8-2 here even though his GAA was bad he was still winning games which in my opinion was much better than bureau. We can then at the deadline pick up a 20 yo guy if goaltending is a issue. I think if hache is back and we are not high in the standings he will be dealt. A goalie can only do so much, he needs his dman and forwards back there defending. We need to improve on the defensive side of the puck or any goalie that will come in wont be able to bail us out all the time.
Offensive wins games but defense wins championships.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 22, 2014 18:19:29 GMT -4
Eaglesfan seething needs to be straightened out here the Cadorette talk is just that talk. It is not a rumour. Someone said they would like to see the Eagles go get him instead and that's it. So you can't call it a rumour, it's a wish list. Jack I don't understand what your saying about your 20s. Are you saying the ones you have are being over rated or under? Plus you guys don't know what 20s you'll end up with come training camp time. I know the rumour that got started by the worst source in the league about Auger. Here's the thing though if you get Darcy and Hache back Auger sorta makes sense. A solid goalie to fill out the team. But if those 2 move on Farrell and Lagare would be alright too. They both got 30 goals last year. Might want to up grade a 20yo Defencemen in this case. I think as for you guys 20yo case your looking alright. On the roster right now you have 2 A player and 2 B+ type guys. Let me start by saying this: When I talk about the 20's next season, Darcy and Hache are never included. Until they ARE back, they're not coming back. You can't plan around unknowns like that. So take those away and who are the 20's exactly? Farrell and Legare are the best 2. To me they're the same player who brings similar games. For a 20 you need to look at more then goal production, I want consistancy and leadership...and honestly I only want 1 of those 2 on my team. |
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Post by seagle on May 22, 2014 18:50:06 GMT -4
Good points on our 20's.
I am thinking
Darcy and Hache are gone.
Leaving Farrell, Legare and Corriveau.
Leaving too many forwards ... so I would like to move one for a 20 D man. Legare should have the most trade value and Corriveau brings size that we lack....so I am exploring moving Legare.
With this group of 94'and our group of 95's I would not want to move major assets for this years club.
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Post by hal on May 22, 2014 20:05:37 GMT -4
I am not sure Legare delivers a 20 year old defenceman that you would want to keep .
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Post by seagle on May 22, 2014 20:16:40 GMT -4
Acknowledged.
But I would be looking.
We have been able to pick up some serviceable 20 D men in the past
Beaudry and Oligny for a 3rd and Payette for a 5th.
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Post by statsman18 on May 22, 2014 20:34:59 GMT -4
Eaglesfan seething needs to be straightened out here the Cadorette talk is just that talk. It is not a rumour. Someone said they would like to see the Eagles go get him instead and that's it. So you can't call it a rumour, it's a wish list. Jack I don't understand what your saying about your 20s. Are you saying the ones you have are being over rated or under? Plus you guys don't know what 20s you'll end up with come training camp time. I know the rumour that got started by the worst source in the league about Auger. Here's the thing though if you get Darcy and Hache back Auger sorta makes sense. A solid goalie to fill out the team. But if those 2 move on Farrell and Lagare would be alright too. They both got 30 goals last year. Might want to up grade a 20yo Defencemen in this case. I think as for you guys 20yo case your looking alright. On the roster right now you have 2 A player and 2 B+ type guys. Let me start by saying this: When I talk about the 20's next season, Darcy and Hache are never included. Until they ARE back, they're not coming back. You can't plan around unknowns like that. So take those away and who are the 20's exactly? Farrell and Legare are the best 2. To me they're the same player who brings similar games. For a 20 you need to look at more then goal production, I want consistancy and leadership...and honestly I only want 1 of those 2 on my team. Ok that brings me to another question. Why does everyone have Darcy won't be back? He's not signed or drafted, so where is he going? Hache is signed so I understand that but just don't get the Darcy not going to be back talk. Where will he be next year if not with CB? |
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Post by hal on May 22, 2014 20:44:52 GMT -4
Acknowledged. But I would be looking. We have been able to pick up some serviceable 20 D men in the past Beaudry and Oligny for a 3rd and Payette for a 5th. You had to bring that Oligny guy up didn't you !  |
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Post by emerz on May 22, 2014 21:03:35 GMT -4
Let me start by saying this: When I talk about the 20's next season, Darcy and Hache are never included. Until they ARE back, they're not coming back. You can't plan around unknowns like that. So take those away and who are the 20's exactly? Farrell and Legare are the best 2. To me they're the same player who brings similar games. For a 20 you need to look at more then goal production, I want consistancy and leadership...and honestly I only want 1 of those 2 on my team. Ok that brings me to another question. Why does everyone have Darcy won't be back? He's not signed or drafted, so where is he going? Hache is signed so I understand that but just don't get the Darcy not going to be back talk. Where will he be next year if not with CB? I find it very unlikely that he won't be signed, I'm sure he was scouted a decent amount last season. He's the most likely to be back of Hache/Darcy but I'd still say he will likely be in the AHL/ECHL next year. |
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