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Post by statsman18 on Aug 12, 2014 13:48:47 GMT -4
So you proved my point. You EXPECT him to be on our second pair when you haven't seen him play or anything. That's exactly the point I was trying to make because he was a high pick people on here expect things from him. It happens every year. And as for the freaking out over him like I said people tweet Willy and the team asking if he's coming. So simply asking Willy on twitter if he knows anything about him reporting or not is 'freaking out'? LOL ok then. I can't find the article he was quoted in, but Cam Russell said himself if Marino shows up he will be able to step into the top 4 with his skill set and hockey IQ. I'm not expecting him to step in and play top 4 based on nothing. There have been several scouting reports stating that he is a highly skilled dman that can play top 4 in the Q. Name the last time Cam has said oh he sucks we wasted the pick for the hell of it. Cam and all GMs never down play players. If anything then can oversell. I read that article too. As for tweeting Willy yeah means people are getting worked up on this kid. It's not only him getting blown up other blog type tweeter accounts are as well. Like I said Moose Country fans get all worked up over "high" drafted players. This kid went in the 3rd round for god sakes. It's not going to be a hard thing to crack top 4 on our defence this year. We have huge holes to fill.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Aug 12, 2014 13:54:19 GMT -4
You are one of the worst posters on these boards lol I cringe reading your posts.
Cam has never projected a player be a top end player that didn't deserve the hype. For him to say Marino can play top 4 in the Q means something. Unless you can provide proof of him hyping or overselling a player, just stop. You have some mission to take a few posts about Marino and turn it into 'OMG you guyse are freaking out, he isn't that good'. It's a bit much. You obviously weren't around for the Drouin or Eichel hype because this is a drop in the bucket. Only hardcore fans even know who this kid is. And guess what? From all scouting reports he's a very good player.
He went in the 3rd round because he's American with NCAA aspirations. Are you new? My god...
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 12, 2014 14:12:07 GMT -4
You are one of the worst posters on these boards lol I cringe reading your posts. Cam has never projected a player be a top end player that didn't deserve the hype. For him to say Marino can play top 4 in the Q means something. Unless you can provide proof of him hyping or overselling a player, just stop. You have some mission to take a few posts about Marino and turn it into 'OMG you guyse are freaking out, he isn't that good'. It's a bit much. You obviously weren't around for the Drouin or Eichel hype because this is a drop in the bucket. Only hardcore fans even know who this kid is. And guess what? From all scouting reports he's a very good player. He went in the 3rd round because he's American with NCAA aspirations. Are you new? My god... Don't read it if you don't like my points then. I'm not saying he isn't that good, I'm saying I don't know and none of us do. Drouin and Eichel aren't the same thing here. When they were picked other GM's commented and said the Moose got a great player. He'll when the moose picked Eichel the word was the air was sucked right out of the rink everyone was shocked they took him. Fucale you heard the same things. Cam never bashes he picks. So I take what he says with a grain of salt until I see it for myself. When you hear scouts and other GM's give these player high phrase then is when I know Cam not trying to sell tickets. Also saying its not hard for a person to say a player will be top 4 on this team defence. It's the shits after Murphy and Hardie.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 12, 2014 14:15:17 GMT -4
Oh and I forgot to add been watching this team from year 2. I know the trends, the NCAA "card", and flat out hold out for bigger deals. Seen it all over the years.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 12, 2014 14:29:45 GMT -4
You are one of the worst posters on these boards lol I cringe reading your posts. Cam has never projected a player be a top end player that didn't deserve the hype. For him to say Marino can play top 4 in the Q means something. Unless you can provide proof of him hyping or overselling a player, just stop. You have some mission to take a few posts about Marino and turn it into 'OMG you guyse are freaking out, he isn't that good'. It's a bit much. You obviously weren't around for the Drouin or Eichel hype because this is a drop in the bucket. Only hardcore fans even know who this kid is. And guess what? From all scouting reports he's a very good player. He went in the 3rd round because he's American with NCAA aspirations. Are you new? My god... Don't read it if you don't like my points then. I'm not saying he isn't that good, I'm saying I don't know and none of us do. Drouin and Eichel aren't the same thing here. When they were picked other GM's commented and said the Moose got a great player. He'll when the moose picked Eichel the word was the air was sucked right out of the rink everyone was shocked they took him. Fucale you heard the same things. Cam never bashes he picks. So I take what he says with a grain of salt until I see it for myself. When you hear scouts and other GM's give these player high phrase then is when I know Cam not trying to sell tickets. Also saying its not hard for a person to say a player will be top 4 on this team defence. It's the shits after Murphy and Hardie. You actually think he was talking specifically about the Mooseheads when he said he was a top 4 defenseman? Then why didn't he say that. I don't know why some posters on here have to apologize for being a big fan and basically being called out for being a big fan. I am so ashamed I am a big fan of the Mooseheads and follow them faithfully. Give me a break.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Aug 12, 2014 15:18:40 GMT -4
I'm not saying he isn't that good, I'm saying I don't know and none of us do. Do you know who does? Cam Russell and several scouts who have watched him play many, many times. Guess who we base our opinions of players on? GM's and scout's reports on these drafted players. You didn't watch Eichel play before he was drafted by Halifax. Neither did I. But Cam Russell sure did and so did the same scouts that are saying Marino is a good player that can step in and play in the Q. But the hype was there for Eichel because scouts and GMs watched him play and their opinions and projections are respected. Is the hype the same for Marino as it was for Eichel? Not even close, because they aren't in the same ballpark as a prospect. Eichel was projected to be a top 5 NHL pick. Marino is projected to be a very good junior player with a shot at the pros. That's how people base their opinions. Not on draft position or the fact the Mooseheads took him so he must be a superstar. Get a grip.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 12, 2014 15:58:12 GMT -4
I'm not saying he isn't that good, I'm saying I don't know and none of us do. Do you know who does? Cam Russell and several scouts who have watched him play many, many times. Guess who we base our opinions of players on? GM's and scout's reports on these drafted players. You didn't watch Eichel play before he was drafted by Halifax. Neither did I. But Cam Russell sure did and so did the same scouts that are saying Marino is a good player that can step in and play in the Q. But the hype was there for Eichel because scouts and GMs watched him play and their opinions and projections are respected. Is the hype the same for Marino as it was for Eichel? Not even close, because they aren't in the same ballpark as a prospect. Eichel was projected to be a top 5 NHL pick. Marino is projected to be a very good junior player with a shot at the pros. That's how people base their opinions. Not on draft position or the fact the Mooseheads took him so he must be a superstar. Get a grip. In this case I can't really say that the scouts seen him many many times but I know for fact there's been cases where they have only seen a player once or twice and picked such player at that time. So your showing your ignorance by making the statement you just did. Also you might not make your judgments on players by there draft placement but many others do.
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 12, 2014 16:01:57 GMT -4
Don't read it if you don't like my points then. I'm not saying he isn't that good, I'm saying I don't know and none of us do. Drouin and Eichel aren't the same thing here. When they were picked other GM's commented and said the Moose got a great player. He'll when the moose picked Eichel the word was the air was sucked right out of the rink everyone was shocked they took him. Fucale you heard the same things. Cam never bashes he picks. So I take what he says with a grain of salt until I see it for myself. When you hear scouts and other GM's give these player high phrase then is when I know Cam not trying to sell tickets. Also saying its not hard for a person to say a player will be top 4 on this team defence. It's the shits after Murphy and Hardie. You actually think he was talking specifically about the Mooseheads when he said he was a top 4 defenseman? Then why didn't he say that. I don't know why some posters on here have to apologize for being a big fan and basically being called out for being a big fan. I am so ashamed I am a big fan of the Mooseheads and follow them faithfully. Give me a break. I'm going to be honest here. I don't understand what your saying. Are you saying Cam said he's be top 4 defensemen in the league? Because that would be a very lofty statement and I'm sure he wouldn't have lasted till the 2nd last pick of the 3rd round. I am also a big fan and follow faithfully. Just a little closer then others I guess.
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Post by Reesor on Aug 12, 2014 16:36:35 GMT -4
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Post by novicefan on Aug 12, 2014 16:45:01 GMT -4
Just a quick note on Marino - he was drafted as a '97 born player in the '98 born draft year - if he's as good as he's slated to be, shouldn't he have been drafted in 2013?
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Post by bbhatehab on Aug 12, 2014 16:50:19 GMT -4
Just a quick note on Marino - he was drafted as a '97 born player in the '98 born draft year - if he's as good as he's slated to be, shouldn't he have been drafted in 2013? Well registration wraps up in 10 minutes so........did he show up or not?
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Post by MikeC on Aug 12, 2014 17:09:43 GMT -4
Just a quick note on Marino - he was drafted as a '97 born player in the '98 born draft year - if he's as good as he's slated to be, shouldn't he have been drafted in 2013? Teams could only draft 16 year olds in the 1st 8 rounds of the draft. So if a player is not expected to report, then teams are hesitant to use a higher pick on him.
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Post by howitzer on Aug 12, 2014 18:38:22 GMT -4
Just a quick note on Marino - he was drafted as a '97 born player in the '98 born draft year - if he's as good as he's slated to be, shouldn't he have been drafted in 2013? Teams could only draft 16 year olds in the 1st 8 rounds of the draft. So if a player is not expected to report, then teams are hesitant to use a higher pick on him. That, and kids develop. One year of development from 15-16 or 16-17 for some kids, is huge. Look back over the years, there's been 2nd year eligible kids drafted in the 1st round. That's because they improved a ton from one year to the next. Scouts know of these kids and may think they're really good and have potential in their first year of eligibility, but there's other kids they like a bit more for whatever reason, and the kid gets passed over. Fast forward a year, they've developed, grown, got faster, improved their shot, whatever, and they get picked high. Happens a lot.
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Post by guru on Aug 12, 2014 18:41:37 GMT -4
I watch the Q because it's the best hockey in town. I care who's reporting to camp because I will be watching them play live 34 times a year for the next few years and a player reporting or not will have an impact on the product i'm watching. Marino is the only draft pick that is a question mark to report that projects to be an impact player in the Q. I can name a dozen players that were entertaining as hell to watch play and develop in the Q that never went on to the NHL, and to me that's half the appeal of the Q. CIS hockey sucks and that's why nobody watches it. Small variance in skill level, no fighting and very little passion. Those dozen players are from another era (when QMJHL regular season hockey was fun to watch). It is a consensus to most that there is little passion in the regular season, yet you slam the CIS for the same. Anyone with any hockey knowledge knows the QMJHL is not the best hockey in town, but it is the most popular. Edit: Can't believe Rogan would rip CIS hockey yet watched some of those players in the QMJHL!
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Post by howitzer on Aug 12, 2014 20:11:38 GMT -4
guru, it's Aug 12th, give us at least Nov until we have to read multiple posts from you on a daily basis. Just too much.
It's a long season...don't make it longer.
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