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Post by Citris on Oct 3, 2014 12:04:43 GMT -4
Someone mentioned another 19yr old D. I dont think that matters much since 2 of these guys will be bumped once a fitz and Lussier are back. Yes not superstars but both practiced/played the systems last year which will take strain off rookies. With most rookie type teams what you are looking for is progress which usually takes until around Xmas. They got 8 D on the roster which usually is 7 so that is a factor in this as well. Well the biggest problem with the whole 19 year old D thing is we can't actually acquire one until Christmas, if we could somehow get one now and then make a trade or 2 at Christmas it'd be fine. But for now, that's not going to happen, so I suppose its just stick it out.
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Post by hockeydad on Oct 3, 2014 13:07:59 GMT -4
We lost a lot of talent over the last year Andrews ,Asley,Weegar,Drouin ,Ryan ,Duke ,Trey Lewis etc its going take another 2 /3 years to rebuild sit back and watch there will be strides made in the end!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 13:17:01 GMT -4
We lost a lot of talent over the last year Andrews ,Asley,Weegar,Drouin ,Ryan ,Duke ,Trey Lewis etc its going take another 2 /3 years to rebuild sit back and watch there will be strides made in the end! You forgot Nate..... and Ciampini.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 3, 2014 13:22:12 GMT -4
Yeah I'm all for giving the young kids ice time. But it's really early in the season, and guys like Ford, Nauss and Taillfer aren't used to this much ice time at this level. I guess like most things balance is key. We actually looked good until Rouyn's first goal. Then we had zero game after that. Could've been karma after Vuic blatantly snowed the Huskies' goalie in the first few minutes. No need for that stuff. Last year we started slow, and we said it was almost like we were waiting for Drouin to come back. Weird that the same thing is happening with Ehlers out. We're better than we're playing, but we aren't that good. So we'll have to deal with losses like this sometimes. Are we though? We aren't very good on paper full strength, then you take out Moynihan, Ehlers, Watt, Leblanc (the experienced guys) and the injured D on a core that is already weak - and I think this is the team we have. Right now, we have 1 very good offensive player (Gadoury), a couple decent offensive guys (Meier, Falkenham) and then pretty much all rookies and grinders at best. Murphy is trying to take on Weegars role, but its a learning process. Hardie is at his best when he can just focus on being a stay at home, rough defenseman. I think people will need to temper expectations - especially right now with the missing guys - and basically expect a last place team early on. It will be a long season on this board if we start panicking and saying everyone sucks already etc. Just sit back and let these inexperienced guys get their feet wet, as ugly as it may be at times early on. Some of these guys didn't even make the team and we are now relying on them to play regular minutes. We can be better, sure, but so can most teams as everyone is just figuring out systems and missing guys. We need Ehlers back, and help on D, and we will trade some wins with losses. But right now we will probably lose 3 out of every 4 games with this lineup honestly. I don't agree with a poster above who said we need to buckle down into a NJ trap and win some games. Of course we do have to take care of our own end better right now, but at the same time, wins are not that important right now and I would rather see guys learn the systems and develop their skills. That was a huge strength in recent years, where we could fairly easily replace somebody in a bigger role with a depth guy because everyone was on the same page as far as the systems. Again - we need to recognize this lineup we have, and understand they are overall an inexperienced bunch that are playing big roles probably over their heads in many cases. Things will get better, players will get better, and of course Ehlers return will give the offense/PP a big boost. But no sense throwing these guys under the bus 7 games in. It will be ugly and frustrating at times. Fucale will have to steal some wins along the way too and is off to a slow start although the last two games we were badly outplayed. I suppose with the injuries, this is what we can expect out of this particular group. Fucale can be better, but other than that, this is pretty much it. We'll get better when we get people back, but I'll say it all year: This year isn't about wins/losses. It's about pointing the team in the right direction, both with on-ice development of younger guys, and maximizing the assets we do have.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 3, 2014 13:25:20 GMT -4
We actually looked good until Rouyn's first goal. Then we had zero game after that. Could've been karma after Vuic blatantly snowed the Huskies' goalie in the first few minutes. No need for that stuff. ACTUALLY, I'll defend Vuic on that because that was 100% Belanger's fault. Belanger saw that Vuic was coming at him and there was no white sweaters anywhere near him, but he had his glove hovering over the puck and wouldn't cover it. He waited until Vuic was right on top of him to cover the puck. Vuic stopped as soon as the glove went down... just so happens that was 2 feet from his face and he got snowed. If he put the glove down when he was at the hash marks he doesn't get snowed. I didn't notice everything that led up to it. Still, I think Vuic could've done more to avoid the situation if it was accidental. Let's just say if it was anyone else but him or Bent, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Oct 3, 2014 13:41:45 GMT -4
Our defense is awful right now. Even with Lussier, it's not good. You will have a rookie playing big minutes in the top 4 even if he's healthy. We're just in a tough spot right now not being able to make any trades to help in this area. Cutting our losses with Lussier and bringing in another 20 year old really isn't an option either until we know what Florida is going to do with Weegar. Unlikely he gets returned but there is always a chance so bringing in another 20 isn't a good idea. Honestly Cam should have foreseen this issue before the season and acquired a veteran 19 year old for the blueline.
The other issue is none of our rookie forwards from last year are stepping up and providing much offense. Connor Moynihan, Shewfelt and Fortier are all guys we needed to make that next step and contribute and they have been mostly ineffective so far. They all look a little quicker and more confident but not many results yet. Same for Watt and Leblanc but they are both on the shelf for a while now.
Fucale has been pretty bad too. I thought they should have given Resop the 3rd last night. I hope he gets the start Sunday.
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Post by Citris on Oct 3, 2014 13:46:00 GMT -4
Our defense is awful right now. Even with Lussier, it's not good. You will have a rookie playing big minutes in the top 4 even if he's healthy. We're just in a tough spot right now not being able to make any trades to help in this area. Cutting our losses with Lussier and bringing in another 20 year old really isn't an option either until we know what Florida is going to do with Weegar. Unlikely he gets returned but there is always a chance so bringing in another 20 isn't a good idea. Honestly Cam should have foreseen this issue before the season and acquired a veteran 19 year old for the blueline. The other issue is none of our rookie forwards from last year are stepping up and providing much offense. Connor Moynihan, Shewfelt and Fortier are all guys we needed to make that next step and contribute and they have been mostly ineffective so far. They all look a little quicker and more confident but not many results yet. Same for Watt and Leblanc but they are both on the shelf for a while now. Fucale has been pretty bad too. I thought they should have given Resop the 3rd last night. I hope he gets the start Sunday. Leduc from Victo may become available. This is a situation here the Lovell trade may have been more hurtful than we ever anticipated. Its so hard after 7 games to tell who's a real part of our future and who wont make the team next year.
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Post by seαωo|f on Oct 3, 2014 13:49:20 GMT -4
Our defense is awful right now. Even with Lussier, it's not good. You will have a rookie playing big minutes in the top 4 even if he's healthy. We're just in a tough spot right now not being able to make any trades to help in this area. Cutting our losses with Lussier and bringing in another 20 year old really isn't an option either until we know what Florida is going to do with Weegar. Unlikely he gets returned but there is always a chance so bringing in another 20 isn't a good idea. Honestly Cam should have foreseen this issue before the season and acquired a veteran 19 year old for the blueline. The other issue is none of our rookie forwards from last year are stepping up and providing much offense. Connor Moynihan, Shewfelt and Fortier are all guys we needed to make that next step and contribute and they have been mostly ineffective so far. They all look a little quicker and more confident but not many results yet. Same for Watt and Leblanc but they are both on the shelf for a while now. Fucale has been pretty bad too. I thought they should have given Resop the 3rd last night. I hope he gets the start Sunday. Leduc from Victo may become available. Isn't that dead now since they traded Mandat to the Foreurs?
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Post by Citris on Oct 3, 2014 13:54:43 GMT -4
Leduc from Victo may become available. Isn't that dead now since they traded Mandat to the Foreurs? They still have 4 OA's. Miceli, Yarwood, Leduc and Whitney.
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Post by auntjude on Oct 3, 2014 13:58:39 GMT -4
I thought Fucale performed much better on his own before he had Raymond coaching him - he just seemed to have those natural attributes that make a good goalie. Even last year when he had good team support, his performance overall didn't make him the #1 goalie in the league, in my opinion. He doesn't have that same swagger of confidence he had when he first became a Moosehead. Hopefully, he will settle down and become the Fucale we once depended on to win games with little effort, it seemed.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 3, 2014 13:59:18 GMT -4
Weegar was assigned to San Antonio today. I assume he still has to try out for the Rampage, but Florida seemed to be high on him. Seems about 99% (Old Cats board joke) he'll stay in the pros at some capacity.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 3, 2014 16:47:50 GMT -4
You can't score goals without the puck and it's much harder to retrieve and maintain possession with a crew of inexperienced defencemen who would be in over their head even as depth defencemen on good teams. It doesn't matter if you have the 12 best defensive forwards in the league if the majority of your D is below average. Even with a great top pairing you're on your heels for half the game. That's a very good point. So many inexperienced D leads to poor breakouts, tons of turnovers, no puck possession. Then we have situations where Ryoun was just cycling the puck for minutes on end and our guys didn't know where to be on the ice or how to handle it. Those cycle situations are the growing pains most talk about when discussing a rebuilding team. It takes a good eye to see the defencemen at 16/17 who start to anticipate better, position themselves better, have a more active stick, etc and become the reliable veterans strong teams look for acquiring for playoff runs at 19/20. That stuff is why a lot of fans have a tough time with rebuilding hockey, they view lack of experience as a lack of effort when in reality keeping up with the pace for the younger kids is the biggest problem they have. We're still seeing it with Bell and Lalonde only we have enough talent to mask some of their short comings while they continue to get the game and situations that will make them better players over time. You also see how the Jeremy Roy's are so gifted at a young age when they can slow the game down and control the play at their age from the back end. I look forward to seeing Luke Green tonight to see if he's cut from a similar mould.
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Post by Porkchop on Oct 3, 2014 22:31:38 GMT -4
that's the worst excuse I've ever seen.....are you telling me that he had to stop there, or is he not able to turn like most other major jr players? He snowed him because he wanted to, lol...no other reason. You've seen Vuic play right? Kid turns like a cement truck. Regardless, even if he could, if the goalie wants to taunt him with the puck until he's right on top of him, fk it, snow him, he deserves it. And if the other team is pissed off about it, who gives a shit just play better hockey than them. We failed to do that and now it looks bad on us. I still don't agree....he could avoid it if he wanted too and should....that's a cheap thing to do no matter what the situation.
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Post by Porkchop on Oct 3, 2014 22:35:32 GMT -4
We lost a lot of talent over the last year Andrews ,Asley,Weegar,Drouin ,Ryan ,Duke ,Trey Lewis etc its going take another 2 /3 years to rebuild sit back and watch there will be strides made in the end! you can have Ryan back anytime you want him.......he is useless so far......looks lost and disinterested....sucks that guys seem to not care after they have won it all...I guess if you have nothing left to play for, no sense in playing...pride seems to be a thing of the past in a lot of Q overagers.
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Post by guru on Oct 4, 2014 2:55:30 GMT -4
Chill out, it isn't like this team is supposed to be awesome. Things will be right in a season or two.
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