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Post by hal on Dec 30, 2014 20:52:37 GMT -4
1) I don't bring up player discontent every chance I get. I was simply responding to hearing these rumours. And I did say that rumours are a dime a dozen.
2) Unlike you, I can at least explain what I comment on. When I say average, I mean as in comparison to other trades. The Roy trade, for example. The Eagles were getting the compensation pick regardless of who they traded Roy to. So in essence they received Loik Leveille, a 2014 19th overall, and what was expected to be(and may still be) a 15-19th overall pick in 2015 means that Chicoutimi at the time was expected to be contending for the memorial cup. Nicolas Roy will give Chicoutimi 3+ years of a very good player, draw people in to watch him, and probably bring back the same return as a 19 year old, if making comparisons to Charles Hudon. Do you think that's above average for the Eagles? Remember Dumont traded a 20th overall and a 1st (11th overall 2014) to move up to 12th overall in 2013.
There's no reason for me to explain myself to someone that won't listen or will turn that explanation into 5 different things. You can't eliminate the compensation when Dumont picked the player for the sole purpose of collecting the compensation & getting the assets from the trade and expect me to eat up that weak explanation lol that move was much more than just the final trade and I actually happily ate crow on that. I have no complaints about moving up to draft Jason Bell but I also don't have an illogical hate for puck moving defensemen. If that's the worst trade you can come up with than his trading record might be even better than I thought lol you're just trying to poke holes in everything because you think he's vulnerable. An extra first to move up and take Bell ? With you know who on the Board ? .......nah that was BAD !
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Post by gocapebreton on Dec 30, 2014 21:18:07 GMT -4
1) I don't bring up player discontent every chance I get. I was simply responding to hearing these rumours. And I did say that rumours are a dime a dozen.
2) Unlike you, I can at least explain what I comment on. When I say average, I mean as in comparison to other trades. The Roy trade, for example. The Eagles were getting the compensation pick regardless of who they traded Roy to. So in essence they received Loik Leveille, a 2014 19th overall, and what was expected to be(and may still be) a 15-19th overall pick in 2015 means that Chicoutimi at the time was expected to be contending for the memorial cup. Nicolas Roy will give Chicoutimi 3+ years of a very good player, draw people in to watch him, and probably bring back the same return as a 19 year old, if making comparisons to Charles Hudon. Do you think that's above average for the Eagles? Remember Dumont traded a 20th overall and a 1st (11th overall 2014) to move up to 12th overall in 2013.
There's no reason for me to explain myself to someone that won't listen or will turn that explanation into 5 different things. You can't eliminate the compensation when Dumont picked the player for the sole purpose of collecting the compensation & getting the assets from the trade and expect me to eat up that weak explanation lol that move was much more than just the final trade and I actually happily ate crow on that. I have no complaints about moving up to draft Jason Bell but I also don't have an illogical hate for puck moving defensemen. If that's the worst trade you can come up with than his trading record might be even better than I thought lol you're just trying to poke holes in everything because you think he's vulnerable. I think my problem is that I am listening to you, If I weren't, I wouldn't be responding. One last comment on this, I think that Dumont had hopes of changing the Roy camps mind. And do you honestly think that any other competent GM would not have taken him 1st as well, knowing they were getting the compensation pick if he didn't report(plus good trade return). I don't get your last paragraph. I wasn't criticizing Bell, simply restating what it cost to move up in the draft and comparing as to what it would cost to move up to a 1st overall. Anyway, I think that Jack Bauer must be rested up, so I'll let you argue with him..lol. Have a good night my friend.
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Post by jamesnorris on Dec 30, 2014 21:46:46 GMT -4
An extra first to move up and take Bell ? With you know who on the Board ? .......nah that was BAD ! If you look at it, it's really just #11 the next year and #20 that year to get the #12 pick that year aka giving up the #20 pick to pick a year earlier and that type of thing is done all the time. I don't think we'll ever know the full details behind why Sprong dropped like he did but if CB got the vibe that he wouldn't report, there would be no reason to trade up, pick him, and walk away from the draft with 2 guys who wouldn't report. If that wasn't the case and they simply thought Bell was better than Sprong, then you're questioning the scouting and in that case they've done more good than bad under Dumont so far.
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Post by looneytunes on Dec 31, 2014 0:27:26 GMT -4
Sprong played Espoir over Midget AAA. His numbers/play were definitely inflated because of that.
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Post by hal on Dec 31, 2014 13:49:03 GMT -4
Sprong played Espoir over Midget AAA. His numbers/play were definitely inflated because of that. OK ....then who is the Top Player out of that Draft Class ?
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Post by looneytunes on Dec 31, 2014 14:08:04 GMT -4
Hey .... I tell it how it happened at the time. Not saying he is not a stud.
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Post by eaglewatch on Dec 31, 2014 15:16:42 GMT -4
Darcy with another 2 goals so far today. Anyone hear anything as to what the performance compensation would involve?
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Dec 31, 2014 15:21:40 GMT -4
Sprong played Espoir over Midget AAA. His numbers/play were definitely inflated because of that. OK ....then who is the Top Player out of that Draft Class ? Jeremy Roy
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 31, 2014 17:49:07 GMT -4
See Darcy had another stinker of a game for Sherbrooke today, scored 2 goals. Glad to be rid of his pal Dumont I guess.
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Post by Murph on Dec 31, 2014 17:54:11 GMT -4
Darcy with another 2 goals so far today. Anyone hear anything as to what the performance compensation would involve? Heard it was "team" performance based, not the player
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Post by hal on Dec 31, 2014 18:19:02 GMT -4
OK ....then who is the Top Player out of that Draft Class ? Jeremy Roy Best Defenceman ........but I said Top Player !
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Post by jamesnorris on Dec 31, 2014 18:23:18 GMT -4
Best Defenceman ........but I said Top Player ! Jack Eichel?
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Jan 1, 2015 11:44:16 GMT -4
Best Defenceman ........but I said Top Player ! So did I.
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