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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 7, 2014 14:49:10 GMT -4
Yes. Seriously. Have you seen him play? Wether I have seen him play or not is irrelevant....that's wayyy beyond anything realistic. But possible. Huberdeau was a 0.57 PPG player in his first year, then went to 1.57 PPG the following year.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 7, 2014 14:55:13 GMT -4
It's not really. Lots of players make that jump between 17 and 18. Even if its just a matter of him playing on a second line that's not facing the other teams top defenders, he'll have good line mates and he'll put up points. No doubt he makes big strides forward but I don't think Clark Bishop is a 100-point player which is what 1.5ppg would be. Martin Frk was a 1.5ppg in Halifax's Memorial Cup team. Does Bishop bring that level of offence? now the statement originally made was "closer to" 1.5ppg than actually that but I think even 80 may be a stretch. I see him more in the 70-75pt range with top-end linemates. I really don't think 85 points in 60 games is an extremely unrealistic number for someone currently playing top 6 minutes on this team. That's 1.4ppg. This team could put up some scary numbers after Xmas. Yeah it might be 8-5 games, but when you're scoring 5+ per game you're going to have some players put up scary numbers. I don't expect Farrell or Svechnikov to keep up the near 2 ppg but I can see Bishop's numbers being much better then last year playing with those kinds of linemates every night.
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Post by Citris on Oct 7, 2014 15:01:01 GMT -4
It's not really. Lots of players make that jump between 17 and 18. Even if its just a matter of him playing on a second line that's not facing the other teams top defenders, he'll have good line mates and he'll put up points. No doubt he makes big strides forward but I don't think Clark Bishop is a 100-point player which is what 1.5ppg would be. Perhaps 1.5 is high, but between 1 and 1.25 is realistic. between 1.25-1.50 may be optimistic...
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 7, 2014 15:01:13 GMT -4
No doubt he makes big strides forward but I don't think Clark Bishop is a 100-point player which is what 1.5ppg would be. Martin Frk was a 1.5ppg in Halifax's Memorial Cup team. Does Bishop bring that level of offence? now the statement originally made was "closer to" 1.5ppg than actually that but I think even 80 may be a stretch. I see him more in the 70-75pt range with top-end linemates. I really don't think 85 points in 60 games is an extremely unrealistic number for someone currently playing top 6 minutes on this team. That's 1.4ppg. Even that stacked Halifax team only had three players anywhere near that level (MacKinnon/Drouin/Frk) The best from anyone not on the top line was 1.18ppg and I feel that is more realistic for Bishop, who is not an all out offensive player and will likely PK a lot too, probably playing more 2nd line than top (As Darcy is likely the top line C). And that team scored at more than 5 goals a game too. Bishop is more of an Ashley than a Frk.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 7, 2014 15:06:28 GMT -4
I really don't think 85 points in 60 games is an extremely unrealistic number for someone currently playing top 6 minutes on this team. That's 1.4ppg. Even that stacked Halifax team only had three players anywhere near that level (MacKinnon/Drouin/Frk) The best from anyone not on the top line was 1.18ppg and I feel that is more realistic for Bishop, who is not an all out offensive player and will likely PK a lot too, probably playing more 2nd line that top. And that team scored at more than 5 goals a game too. Bishop is more of an Ashley than a Frk. Even 1.18 is not all that far from 1.5 to call it completely unrealistic as if it's a depth forward we're talking about. Bishop could even move past Darcy and be the #1 C down the stretch if he develops some chemistry with his linemates. 1.5 certainly is not out of the discussion if that's the case.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 7, 2014 15:12:49 GMT -4
No doubt he makes big strides forward but I don't think Clark Bishop is a 100-point player which is what 1.5ppg would be. Perhaps 1.5 is high, but between 1 and 1.25 is realistic. between 1.25-1.50 may be optimistic... And I have no issue with it being called optimistic. It's the "wayyy beyond anything realistic" that I question. That comment in my opinion comes off as Billy saying he's a .75ppg center based solely on his numbers last year at 17.
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Post by bois on Oct 7, 2014 15:16:17 GMT -4
1.18 ppg over full season = 80 points 1.5 ppg over full season = 102 points
that is quite a difference when you put the numbers to the math
i'm not suggesting he will or won't hit that 1.5 ppg pace for the record
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Post by jboyz on Oct 7, 2014 15:23:24 GMT -4
Great news!! He should bring some more fans to the rink also. You have to think that Legare is the odd man out. Dumont speaks so highly of Brassard so hes probably not going anywhere till Xmas maybe.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 7, 2014 15:26:10 GMT -4
1.18 ppg over full season = 80 points 1.5 ppg over full season = 102 points that is quite a difference when you put the numbers to the math i'm not suggesting he will or won't hit that 1.5 ppg pace for the record I can see the team having some very off the wall stats by the end of the season. Will Bishop hit 100 points? Probably not, but I also wouldn't say that 90 points in 60 games if he becomes a #1 C over the last 60 games is "wayyy beyond anything realistic" based on his start and his talent level. I'm curious is Billy sees him more of a .8 or a 1.2 ppg player. I admit 1.5 is optimistic, i'm more curious as to what he views as being realistic.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 7, 2014 15:32:02 GMT -4
1.18 ppg over full season = 80 points 1.5 ppg over full season = 102 points that is quite a difference when you put the numbers to the math i'm not suggesting he will or won't hit that 1.5 ppg pace for the record I can see the team having some very off the wall stats by the end of the season. Will Bishop hit 100 points? Probably not, but I also wouldn't say that 90 points in 60 games if he becomes a #1 C over the last 60 games is "wayyy beyond anything realistic" based on his start and his talent level. I'm curious is Billy sees him more of a .8 or a 1.2 ppg player. I admit 1.5 is optimistic, i'm more curious as to what he views as being realistic. Depending on moves made the key could down down to injuries. If someone (or two) in the top 6 go down, have they the depth players that can step up to fill the void? That's a genuine question. That's the key things with those sorts of teams, 3rd liners that can step into a bigger role.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Oct 7, 2014 15:46:24 GMT -4
You guys look a lot like the 07-08 Mooseheads. Loaded up front, questionable defense and a shaky 20 year old goalie.
The irony is you could use what the Mooseheads have to offer, a steady 2-way dman (Murphy) and a #1 goalie (Fucale).
In a Memorial Cup year, your GM would be silly not go make a legitimate run at it. Going half-assed, or not addressing the glaring weaknesses will result in a more balanced team taking you out in the playoffs. We've seen it happen year after year.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 7, 2014 15:58:56 GMT -4
Darcy, Farrell and Auger sounds like a pretty good batch of 20 year old players. CB and SJ look like a perfect match for a trade really, as long as they don't let that whole "in the same division" thing get in the way.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 7, 2014 16:02:36 GMT -4
Wether I have seen him play or not is irrelevant....that's wayyy beyond anything realistic. But possible. Huberdeau was a 0.57 PPG player in his first year, then went to 1.57 PPG the following year. Drouin went from 0.88 to 2.14!
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Post by mooseinfo on Oct 7, 2014 16:36:20 GMT -4
Darcy, Farrell and Auger sounds like a pretty good batch of 20 year old players. CB and SJ look like a perfect match for a trade really, as long as they don't let that whole "in the same division" thing get in the way. If SJ is in 2nd or 3rd do they do it.
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Post by goeaglesgo on Oct 7, 2014 19:41:08 GMT -4
Been waiting to hear this for a while.
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