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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 10, 2014 21:02:35 GMT -4
Forward lines to start the game were: Farrell-Darcy-Martineux Svechnikov-Simard-Pelletier Lazarev-Bishop-Dubois Brunelle-Tower
but they seem to be changing late in the 2nd. Can't tell if it was just because of the penalties to Lalonde/Bishop or not though.
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Post by emerz on Oct 10, 2014 21:50:41 GMT -4
Well thats not a good loss, I kept waiting for the eventually powerplay but it never came, lol.
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Post by cb67 on Oct 10, 2014 22:03:40 GMT -4
Does Dumont ever plan on keeping specific lines together ? I get line juggling every now and then but this seems a little much. How do you find chemistry on a line if you're playing with a different line mate each shift ? I get that you want to find that spark but man, it's to the point now that I'm waiting to see Brassard playing the point on a power play.
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Post by looneytunes on Oct 10, 2014 23:05:31 GMT -4
I watched the first and they looked very unmotivated.
Why is Dumont changing the lines around so much?
This is worse then Durochers crazy line switch ups back in 08-09. The funny thing is that his actually got a good result somehow.
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Post by cb67 on Oct 11, 2014 1:05:06 GMT -4
Very unmotivated for sure by the looks of tonight's game. There are certain shifts where you do see certain players giving it an effort... But it seems like there isn't a system to fall back on. The team seems very unorganized and very unsure. Almost like each shift is a Yahtzee roll.
IMO this team has not been sold a system they are confident in executing.
The D right now obviously needs some major work and the team as a whole needs to find a momentum spark.
Do junior teams have offensive and defensive specialists like the NHL? Who work specifics at both ends? Or does the head coach take on all of that as a whole? I'm not sure how that works but at this level you should expect to implement a plan after a lack luster issue that should at least show a turn in the right direction. Especially with the talent we have.
I really hope this season doesn't end up being a broken record and our issues are fixed sooner than later.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Oct 11, 2014 6:11:50 GMT -4
Another game of allowing 40 or more shots and 5 or more goals, the numbers don't lie, not going to win like this. These kids have no clue how to play the game, their fault, no, these are talented kids, the problem here lays squarely at the feet of the coach. No systems in place, no idea how to defend in their own end, just brutal from a team that was expected to do very well. You don't put a bunch of kids on the ice and let them ad lib it and see what happens. This is shaping up to be another disappointing season in an awful hurry.
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Post by EagleFan2009 on Oct 11, 2014 10:24:28 GMT -4
Another game of allowing 40 or more shots and 5 or more goals, the numbers don't lie, not going to win like this. These kids have no clue how to play the game, their fault, no, these are talented kids, the problem here lays squarely at the feet of the coach. No systems in place, no idea how to defend in their own end, just brutal from a team that was expected to do very well. You don't put a bunch of kids on the ice and let them ad lib it and see what happens. This is shaping up to be another disappointing season in an awful hurry. You and others need to relax. Its October, not January. Give the coach a chance. He just got a top forward back, and has to toss him into the top line and change other lines as well. I do agree the d needs work but time and Xmas will do that. And remember, two early trips to Quebec for a young team is tough, so like I said, don't start calling her the guys head, because he's the only reason this team has the roster it has.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 11, 2014 11:02:55 GMT -4
You and others need to relax. Its October, not January. Give the coach a chance. He just got a top forward back, and has to toss him into the top line and change other lines as well. I do agree the d needs work but time and Xmas will do that. And remember, two early trips to Quebec for a young team is tough, so like I said, don't start calling her the guys head, because he's the only reason this team has the roster it has. Maybe you should relax, who the hell called for his head?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 11, 2014 11:30:14 GMT -4
Everyone complaining about different line combinations does realize that the 3rd line has been the one constant this entire year. It wasn't until last night that the lines were juggled to try and find some balance. We currently have 4 centers that are all capable of playing in the top 9. Its going to take a little bit of time to see who fits where. This team will find its way, everyone should just take a breath.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Oct 11, 2014 11:49:05 GMT -4
Have to respond to above post regarding the coaching abilities of Marc-Andre Dumont. I give him full credit for recruiting and drafting the talent we now have but recruiting and drafting is a far cry from coaching goals that talent. I base my comments not only on what I have seen so far this year, but since he arrived here. Case in point: last years playoff disaster against Gatineau, they finished one notch ahead of us in the standings and totally destroyed us in the playoffs,beating us by 5-7 goals every game. Were they 5-7 goals a game better than us, no, did they play 5-7 goals a game better than us, they certainly did. We had no systems in place, and no measures to counteract what they were doing. That my fellow bloggers, lies at the feet of the coach. I have coached some of the local kids that have played hockey at this level and have coached against some of the local kids who have made it to this level, does this make me a coaching expert, certainly not, but I do know a little about the game. I have also coached in the prestigious Quebec International PeeWee tournament, probably the best tournament in the world at that level. For any of you who have not had an opportunity to see this tournament, it would do you good to go and see how these 11 and 12 year old kids play systems, kill penalties and power play, these things are taught to the kids by their coaches. Even closer to home, we hosted the Under 17 tournament and Team USA totally dominated that tournament. Their systems and puck movement and positional play was impeccable. I recall in the championship game, when they had a power play, the other team could not even touch the puck. What a pleasure to watch. Again, these systems are taught, the kids just don't arrive with these skills. Most of the players on the Eagles were high end draft picks and would have played at the higher levels of minor hockey and would be accustomed to systems.This team has no systems, everything is just helter skelter, juggling of line combinations and defensive pairings and allowing 4.5 and even more goals per game. As far as being patient with the coach, how much time and line juggling does he need? This is not a team of rookies, this is a team of high end players, most of whom played here last year, and as far as blending in the new guys, Dumont had a three week training camp, a tournament in Europe and now 11 or 12 games of a regular season. If he doesn't know his players by now nad who can best play what roles, that just adds further fuel to my assessment of his coaching abilities. Again fellow bloggers, allowing 5 or more goals a game and playing on the seat of your pants will get you nowhere, no matter how much talent you might have. Time for someone to start looking at the mess this team is in or it will be another long year. Wonder what happened to Dumont in Val'd'or, the team that made it to the Memorial Cup was mostly his, maybe they realized that he couldn't coach??
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 11, 2014 11:53:03 GMT -4
For any of you who have not had an opportunity to see this tournament, it would do you good to go and see how these 11 and 12 year old kids play systems, kill penalties and power play, these things are taught to the kids by their coaches. Just saying, teaching kids systems at 11-12 > fundamental skills is why Canada gets beat by the likes of Sweden
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Post by goeaglesgo on Oct 11, 2014 11:54:30 GMT -4
Another game of allowing 40 or more shots and 5 or more goals, the numbers don't lie, not going to win like this. These kids have no clue how to play the game, their fault, no, these are talented kids, the problem here lays squarely at the feet of the coach. No systems in place, no idea how to defend in their own end, just brutal from a team that was expected to do very well. You don't put a bunch of kids on the ice and let them ad lib it and see what happens. This is shaping up to be another disappointing season in an awful hurry. You and others need to relax. Its October, not January. Give the coach a chance. He just got a top forward back, and has to toss him into the top line and change other lines as well. I do agree the d needs work but time and Xmas will do that. And remember, two early trips to Quebec for a young team is tough, so like I said, don't start calling her the guys head, because he's the only reason this team has the roster it has. i agree with eaglefan 62 here. Dumont is an excellent GM, brought this team up from the basement in a few year with all kinds of assets and did so without selling the farm. His coaching however, just terrible. Mixing up defence pairings and switching sides. The forward lines are constantly being juggled( this is not something new for him either, he's been doing it this wAy since he came here). You MUST have, or at least try to have, set lines. It's imparitive for building chemistry and getting guys to gel together. Not knowing who you will be playing with on your next shift if no way to coach.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 11, 2014 12:32:16 GMT -4
For any of you who have not had an opportunity to see this tournament, it would do you good to go and see how these 11 and 12 year old kids play systems, kill penalties and power play, these things are taught to the kids by their coaches. Just saying, teaching kids systems at 11-12 > fundamental skills is why Canada gets beat by the likes of Sweden Yeah Canada sucks at hockey.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 11, 2014 12:35:04 GMT -4
Another game of allowing 40 or more shots and 5 or more goals, the numbers don't lie, not going to win like this. These kids have no clue how to play the game, their fault, no, these are talented kids, the problem here lays squarely at the feet of the coach. No systems in place, no idea how to defend in their own end, just brutal from a team that was expected to do very well. You don't put a bunch of kids on the ice and let them ad lib it and see what happens. This is shaping up to be another disappointing season in an awful hurry. You and others need to relax. Its October, not January. Give the coach a chance. He just got a top forward back, and has to toss him into the top line and change other lines as well. I do agree the d needs work but time and Xmas will do that. And remember, two early trips to Quebec for a young team is tough, so like I said, don't start calling her the guys head, because he's the only reason this team has the roster it has. I think questioning his coaching ability is fair. There is a big enough sample size to take a look at for him now. I am 100% sold on him as a GM but admit i lack some confidence in his coaching ability due to the lack of systems that seem to be in place. I think this is why we are having such a tough time away from home to this point. Still lots of time left to right the ship though and lucky for us nobody seems likely to run away with this division.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 11, 2014 12:37:22 GMT -4
Yeah Canada sucks at hockey. and that's the attitude that holds Canada back.
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