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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 20, 2014 15:13:59 GMT -4
My 2 cents on the over all topic is your D is just young period. I think by the end of the year they get the kinks out and will be a force. Your forwards are stacked now with Darcy back. Bishop is a great leader and has all kinds of heart. The only up grade I would look for is a forward like MacAulay was for the Moose 2 years ago. If you can find a 19yo that can play any where in your teams top 9 that will put you over the top. And that way he can be back next year too. As for your goaltending I don't think it's as easy as people think to up grade. I don't know how many for sure goalies will be on the market. Someone said go for Auger but I don't see him staying in this division if he gets traded. The only 20yo goalie that might fit is Whitney from Victo. But a guy who might work best is Storm Phaneuf. He's a 19yo back up that can be a starter and should be back next year. I think you can get him similar cheap. My worry is that our younger D are still 2 full years away. History tells me that outside of a few exceptions defencemen are not truely dominant until they're 19 in this league. That puts some of our younger D on the wrong end of our window to contend as when they'll be at their best all our best forwards will have moved on. We also have so many bodies in front of them now for the next 18 months that it's tough to see them having the time to fulfill their full potential next season.
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 20, 2014 15:22:28 GMT -4
Geez we are touchy now huh hahaha! lighten up were here to point out some things what I'm trying to say is I believe the offensive system that we have using is great love it but we have to think obout the D-ZONE as well when I say look how good Bureau is in Sherbrooke it's not to say that Brassard is crap my god no what I'm saying is that the SYSTEM that our EAGLES PLAY is possibly the issue I am not throwing any of our goalers under the bus as I feel they have been left to there own to many times and I'm not saying it's the defence at fault my god I am saying on numerous occasions it's the complete TEAM the D-ZONE SYSTEM which means forwards/defence and goalies are all as a TEAM maybe some direction and some new D-ZONE SYSTEM mat HELP.
As for Marchand and Fortin read my previous post.
Amazing, his response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
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Post by dt281 on Oct 20, 2014 15:31:29 GMT -4
I don't think anyone here would argue that our D has struggled the last few years. Besides Hache, the veteran D on our team last year was poor. This year they are struggling but it's more to do with inexperience. You can see the talent there, they just need time to come around. Acquiring a 19yo with talent would benefit the whole group.
With that being said, there have been very few games where the goalies stole a game for us. I know you shouldn't rely on this but every once in a while it would be nice not to have to score 5 to win. Of course, the D shares the blame for the GAA but Brassard has to be better.
One thing i notice about our D structure is how easy they allow entry into our zone. Every once in a while I would like to see the D stand the man up at the blue line instead of backing in and allowing the opposition easy access to set up. Charles Fontaine wasn't the most gifted D man to play here but he always made you pay when u crossed the blue line. I don't know if it's our system or our D not being aggressive enough?
I think we need to be patient with this D group. I think you will see a big improvement in them as the year goes by.
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Post by dt281 on Oct 20, 2014 15:55:56 GMT -4
As far as previous goalies go, Bureau was given ample opportunity too succeed here, probably more than he should have. His father being a scout probably played a role in that. He just didn't cut it.
Marchand had success in the brief time he was here. Most agree he should have finished the year here as Fortin was no improvement. Would anyone want him as our starter this year? I doubt it but the assets wasted on Fortin and Sullivan could have been saved as Marchand could have filled the backup role but I won't condemn Dumont for that.
Fortin's record might have been 16-3 last year but he was a below average goalie. A lot of backups on good teams get inflated win totals since their starts usually come against weaker teams. His save % was not very good. The fact he's not in the league or that Rimouski traded him last year is probably a tell to how good everyone sees him?
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Post by looneytunes on Oct 20, 2014 16:01:24 GMT -4
That is Norris' point. Half the reason he cost so much was his age at the time. Thats actually my point. In that trade we are like Val d'Or moving the youth and picks for experience. I got my points mixed up .
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Post by looneytunes on Oct 20, 2014 16:02:40 GMT -4
Geez we are touchy now huh hahaha! lighten up were here to point out some things what I'm trying to say is I believe the offensive system that we have using is great love it but we have to think obout the D-ZONE as well when I say look how good Bureau is in Sherbrooke it's not to say that Brassard is crap my god no what I'm saying is that the SYSTEM that our EAGLES PLAY is possibly the issue I am not throwing any of our goalers under the bus as I feel they have been left to there own to many times and I'm not saying it's the defence at fault my god I am saying on numerous occasions it's the complete TEAM the D-ZONE SYSTEM which means forwards/defence and goalies are all as a TEAM maybe some direction and some new D-ZONE SYSTEM mat HELP.
As for Marchand and Fortin read my previous post.
Amazing, his response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Like dealing with a kid with adhd.
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Post by looneytunes on Oct 20, 2014 16:13:29 GMT -4
Prostar , I feel you are taking a little bit too much offence to what we are thinking. I do not know one poster on here that does not agree that the defence and two way game needs to improve. ( Which it has within the past week even though the win/losses have not shown much for it.) Brassard has gotten a little bit of shit from some posters but nothing major. As someone pointed out Auguer and Fucale are stealing games so far this year where Brassard has only played at an elite level yesterday. It is only natural that the hyped up goalie get some disappointment from fans for not playing like a star. The disappointment is then amplified when you are using a 20 year old spot on him and the fact he really shit the bed in the playoffs last year for the Remps.
Cadorette was the first choice but too expensive.
Also , many people suggesting we get Cadorette are the out of town posters that are meerly offering the hypothetical.
I think you mentioned something about Lagace as well. My view on Lagace is that he was always overrated ( we got a chance to see him a fair amount while he was with PEI as well ) . I could never quite understand why he got so much scout attention as well as opportunities such as the Q Superseries. They must see untapped potential in him but he will not go far in the NHL like you seem to be implying.....
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Post by hawk on Oct 20, 2014 16:24:37 GMT -4
Amazing, his response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Like dealing with a kid with adhd. It's possible they may have adhd...pathetic. What kind of moron say's that...like i said moron !!!
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Post by mooseinfo on Oct 20, 2014 18:49:00 GMT -4
My 2 cents on the over all topic is your D is just young period. I think by the end of the year they get the kinks out and will be a force. Your forwards are stacked now with Darcy back. Bishop is a great leader and has all kinds of heart. The only up grade I would look for is a forward like MacAulay was for the Moose 2 years ago. If you can find a 19yo that can play any where in your teams top 9 that will put you over the top. And that way he can be back next year too. As for your goaltending I don't think it's as easy as people think to up grade. I don't know how many for sure goalies will be on the market. Someone said go for Auger but I don't see him staying in this division if he gets traded. The only 20yo goalie that might fit is Whitney from Victo. But a guy who might work best is Storm Phaneuf. He's a 19yo back up that can be a starter and should be back next year. I think you can get him similar cheap. My worry is that our younger D are still 2 full years away. History tells me that outside of a few exceptions defencemen are not truely dominant until they're 19 in this league. That puts some of our younger D on the wrong end of our window to contend as when they'll be at their best all our best forwards will have moved on. We also have so many bodies in front of them now for the next 18 months that it's tough to see them having the time to fulfill their full potential next season. You are mentioning a goalie this year to comeback next. Some are suggesting goalies that are not likely to be as good as or better than Brassard and yet be impact 20s on a championship team. You would possibly be worse both years. The chance of finding a team that had such a player to deal is unlikely. You more likely get a 19 for this year and then at the draft get another 19 when picks are worth more. The other scenario would be a 18yr old close to Brassard with more potential but unlikely to get a team to give up that player as they would want a established 19. I could only see a 3 way trade working that way. The young D would likely be what could get it done in trade and as mentioned you have to consider how they fit next year. Pushing this year off for 2yrs in the future as some suggested is too unpredictable.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 20, 2014 19:19:49 GMT -4
My worry is that our younger D are still 2 full years away. History tells me that outside of a few exceptions defencemen are not truely dominant until they're 19 in this league. That puts some of our younger D on the wrong end of our window to contend as when they'll be at their best all our best forwards will have moved on. We also have so many bodies in front of them now for the next 18 months that it's tough to see them having the time to fulfill their full potential next season. You are mentioning a goalie this year to comeback next. Some are suggesting goalies that are not likely to be as good as or better than Brassard and yet be impact 20s on a championship team. You would possibly be worse both years. The chance of finding a team that had such a player to deal is unlikely. You more likely get a 19 for this year and then at the draft get another 19 when picks are worth more. The other scenario would be a 18yr old close to Brassard with more potential but unlikely to get a team to give up that player as they would want a established 19. I could only see a 3 way trade working that way. The young D would likely be what could get it done in trade and as mentioned you have to consider how they fit next year. Pushing this year off for 2yrs in the future as some suggested is too unpredictable. CB does not need to bring in a 3rd team in to any trade. They have enough assets to just over pay for someone if they want too. They could give it a good try with out even giving up anyone on their current roster. They have 2 first for this year plus O'leary or the 19th pick whatever the decided to do with him. Then they have 2 seconds this year a swell, a long with 2 players they picked in the 2nd round last year in L'Italien and Corbeil. I think a good package from that any team would take and then they can flip some and keep parts too.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 20, 2014 19:42:11 GMT -4
My 2 cents on the over all topic is your D is just young period. I think by the end of the year they get the kinks out and will be a force. Your forwards are stacked now with Darcy back. Bishop is a great leader and has all kinds of heart. The only up grade I would look for is a forward like MacAulay was for the Moose 2 years ago. If you can find a 19yo that can play any where in your teams top 9 that will put you over the top. And that way he can be back next year too. As for your goaltending I don't think it's as easy as people think to up grade. I don't know how many for sure goalies will be on the market. Someone said go for Auger but I don't see him staying in this division if he gets traded. The only 20yo goalie that might fit is Whitney from Victo. But a guy who might work best is Storm Phaneuf. He's a 19yo back up that can be a starter and should be back next year. I think you can get him similar cheap. My worry is that our younger D are still 2 full years away. History tells me that outside of a few exceptions defencemen are not truely dominant until they're 19 in this league. That puts some of our younger D on the wrong end of our window to contend as when they'll be at their best all our best forwards will have moved on. We also have so many bodies in front of them now for the next 18 months that it's tough to see them having the time to fulfill their full potential next season. Actually in recent history the 2011 Sea Dogs had 4 18yos on their back end then you have the 2013 Mooseheads they had 2 18yos and a 17yo. So it's been done. SJ in 2011 went out and got Gelinas at Christmas as a 19yo and already had Despres. Halifax had a 20yo Konrad and 19yos Duke and Lewis. I think an up grade of a 20yo defence men could do you guys wonders. But you need to address the net-minding to do that.
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Post by mooseinfo on Oct 20, 2014 20:57:01 GMT -4
You are mentioning a goalie this year to comeback next. Some are suggesting goalies that are not likely to be as good as or better than Brassard and yet be impact 20s on a championship team. You would possibly be worse both years. The chance of finding a team that had such a player to deal is unlikely. You more likely get a 19 for this year and then at the draft get another 19 when picks are worth more. The other scenario would be a 18yr old close to Brassard with more potential but unlikely to get a team to give up that player as they would want a established 19. I could only see a 3 way trade working that way. The young D would likely be what could get it done in trade and as mentioned you have to consider how they fit next year. Pushing this year off for 2yrs in the future as some suggested is too unpredictable. CB does not need to bring in a 3rd team in to any trade. They have enough assets to just over pay for someone if they want too. They could give it a good try with out even giving up anyone on their current roster. They have 2 first for this year plus O'leary or the 19th pick whatever the decided to do with him. Then they have 2 seconds this year a swell, a long with 2 players they picked in the 2nd round last year in L'Italien and Corbeil. I think a good package from that any team would take and then they can flip some and keep parts too. Of course they have the assets. You were the one suggesting a cheap backup. The 3rd team scenario was for an 18yr old for 2 yrs without juggling a 20yr old goalie again. Not likely you get a team to trade a goalie like that without one in return, on contenders that need a better one, or on rebuilding teams who need to keep him. Edit: Wait you just suggested a 3rd team in flipping parts to another team LOL
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 21, 2014 8:45:50 GMT -4
CB does not need to bring in a 3rd team in to any trade. They have enough assets to just over pay for someone if they want too. They could give it a good try with out even giving up anyone on their current roster. They have 2 first for this year plus O'leary or the 19th pick whatever the decided to do with him. Then they have 2 seconds this year a swell, a long with 2 players they picked in the 2nd round last year in L'Italien and Corbeil. I think a good package from that any team would take and then they can flip some and keep parts too. Of course they have the assets. You were the one suggesting a cheap backup. The 3rd team scenario was for an 18yr old for 2 yrs without juggling a 20yr old goalie again. Not likely you get a team to trade a goalie like that without one in return, on contenders that need a better one, or on rebuilding teams who need to keep him. Edit: Wait you just suggested a 3rd team in flipping parts to another team LOL What I suggested is CB has the assets to make a trade with out a 3rd team. But if the team they trade with still wants that 19yo they can flip it themselves. For example: CB want player A. Team A wants a pick and a 19yo player. CB doesn't have Such player. So CB goes how about we give you 2 picks and a 16yo none roster player. Team A agrees. Done deal. But team A then thinks we still need that 19yo player and calls Team B and gives the 16yo and 1 of the picks for the 19yo. Nothing to do with CB at all team A makes a different trade with what was CB's assets but now is there own to what they want with them. Or they can just keep it altogether and not bother with the 19yo.
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Post by mooseinfo on Oct 21, 2014 9:19:12 GMT -4
Of course they have the assets. You were the one suggesting a cheap backup. The 3rd team scenario was for an 18yr old for 2 yrs without juggling a 20yr old goalie again. Not likely you get a team to trade a goalie like that without one in return, on contenders that need a better one, or on rebuilding teams who need to keep him. Edit: Wait you just suggested a 3rd team in flipping parts to another team LOL What I suggested is CB has the assets to make a trade with out a 3rd team. But if the team they trade with still wants that 19yo they can flip it themselves. For example: CB want player A. Team A wants a pick and a 19yo player. CB doesn't have Such player. So CB goes how about we give you 2 picks and a 16yo none roster player. Team A agrees. Done deal. But team A then thinks we still need that 19yo player and calls Team B and gives the 16yo and 1 of the picks for the 19yo. Nothing to do with CB at all team A makes a different trade with what was CB's assets but now is there own to what they want with them. Or they can just keep it altogether and not bother with the 19yo. LOL Same thing. If you think a team set for 20s when approached by CB for a Goalie is going take Brassard at Xmas for their starter, with a deadline, while wanting a 19yr old goalie upgrade to contend, then say oh lets start to look for another goalie LOL. I dont know what to tell you, they are going to get screwed in trade. Why you keep ignoring my post talking about goalies is beyond me. Why all through this thread do you think CB should pay more than any other team because they have more assets. They pay what the market is for any contender trying to win. They are not stupid they will have a clue on what the other team needs. As far as suggesting they can just use picks instead of players on their roster that is another way to pay more. Teams prefer a player at Xmas and offering a pick instead is worth less so you pay a premium in trade. Not a good idea if you have players that are not in the plans for the current or next year that are going to ride the bench or sit in the stands, especially as they get pushed back when you add better players in trade.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 21, 2014 10:11:57 GMT -4
Of course they have the assets. You were the one suggesting a cheap backup. The 3rd team scenario was for an 18yr old for 2 yrs without juggling a 20yr old goalie again. Not likely you get a team to trade a goalie like that without one in return, on contenders that need a better one, or on rebuilding teams who need to keep him. Edit: Wait you just suggested a 3rd team in flipping parts to another team LOL What I suggested is CB has the assets to make a trade with out a 3rd team. But if the team they trade with still wants that 19yo they can flip it themselves. For example: CB want player A. Team A wants a pick and a 19yo player. CB doesn't have Such player. So CB goes how about we give you 2 picks and a 16yo none roster player. Team A agrees. Done deal. But team A then thinks we still need that 19yo player and calls Team B and gives the 16yo and 1 of the picks for the 19yo. Nothing to do with CB at all team A makes a different trade with what was CB's assets but now is there own to what they want with them. Or they can just keep it altogether and not bother with the 19yo. Sounds like the CB-Chicoutimi-Lewiston trade of 2010. We're still trying to forget that one.
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