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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 5, 2014 11:18:33 GMT -4
Wouldn't say its more relaxing than going to the rink to watch great players play on a nightly basis... but at the same time, it's enjoyable sitting back and watching stuff like Gatineau adding Whitney and not feeling worried that we need to counter with a big move too. It will be interesting watching the other teams position themselves against each other for the Memorial Cup - and hopefully we will benefit from this as well with trades. Why do I have the feeling we are going to be underwhelmed with the moves Russell will make at Christmas. I am kinda trying to get in his head and think...well is it better for us to be lower in the standings come Christmas time. If we play well and are higher in the standings he may not make the deals. Do u folks still think there is a market for Fucale out there? Could Rimouski use Fucale over Desrosier? I would think Rimouski sees their goalie as a playoff goalie and would not look to trade unless it gets much worse. I had Gat, Sher, Chi, and CB(not counting teams like Bathurst) needing goalies and was hoping CB got the 20yr old leaving the other 3 open. I saw CB as not ideal for several reasons but perhaps it still makes demand high for a 19yr old. |
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 5, 2014 11:24:14 GMT -4
Why do I have the feeling we are going to be underwhelmed with the moves Russell will make at Christmas. I am kinda trying to get in his head and think...well is it better for us to be lower in the standings come Christmas time. If we play well and are higher in the standings he may not make the deals. Do u folks still think there is a market for Fucale out there? Could Rimouski use Fucale over Desrosier? I'm holding out hope that we get a lot for some of our players. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get as much as we thought, or didn't trade some players that we'd like to get value for. The Moose don't have a history of sell-offs at Christmas, even in years when it would make sense. Ya that would not suprise me especially adding the history of trading high NHL picks to the equation. The market can take it here but they seem not to realize that. Russell's smoke screen is thick so he saying, he wants to be competitive every year, is hard to figure. Edit: He does not have those Drouin, MacKinnon type players to need the experience of playoffs for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 13:24:33 GMT -4
One thing about this season so far, is that I haven't been this relaxed as a fan in seven years. 07-08 was a disaster, followed by three years of simply never winning, followed by three seasons of higher expectations. This year we can just relax and watch some hockey, with just a little bit of anxiety about where Cam Russell will steer this team at Christmas. Our crowds have been half decent all things considered, but last Saturday I managed to get three seats together in Section 9 row L at 7pm. Unheard of the last couple seasons. Never thought I'd benefit from our attendance being lower.  I am relaxed for now but if Cam wastes the opportunity to fasttrack the rebuild and doesn't sell big at Xmas then I'll be pissed off big time. We are going to lose a lot between this year and next and to not get anything for the players we are losing like Gadoury, Hardie, Ehlers, Fucale, possibly Murphy and just going with what we have coming back along with draftees from 2014 and 2015 then we will be terrible for 2015-2016. Doing a full sell doesn't have to be all about getting 2015 picks, 2016 picks, 1997s and 1998s- if the Mooseheads do a full sell like in EVERYBODY of value then one of the trades can be like a Moncton trade in 2012 with Gormley with some older players coming back to supplement what we'll get in younger players/draft picks and what we have left for vets if we do a full sell this year. I know that the 2nd half of the season will be absolutely brutal if a full sell is done but it gets the Mooseheads ahead of where they will be for 2015-2016 and beyond if they do. |
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 5, 2014 13:31:12 GMT -4
One thing about this season so far, is that I haven't been this relaxed as a fan in seven years. 07-08 was a disaster, followed by three years of simply never winning, followed by three seasons of higher expectations. This year we can just relax and watch some hockey, with just a little bit of anxiety about where Cam Russell will steer this team at Christmas. Our crowds have been half decent all things considered, but last Saturday I managed to get three seats together in Section 9 row L at 7pm. Unheard of the last couple seasons. Never thought I'd benefit from our attendance being lower. I am relaxed for now but if Cam wastes the opportunity to fasttrack the rebuild and doesn't sell big at Xmas then I'll be pissed off big time. We are going to lose a lot between this year and next and to not get anything for the players we are losing like Gadoury, Hardie, Ehlers, Fucale, possibly Murphy and just going with what we have coming back along with draftees from 2014 and 2015 then we will be terrible for 2015-2016. Doing a full sell doesn't have to be all about getting 2015 picks, 2016 picks, 1997s and 1998s- if the Mooseheads do a full sell like in EVERYBODY of value then one of the trades can be like a Moncton trade in 2012 with Gormley with some older players coming back to supplement what we'll get in younger players/draft picks and what we have left for vets if we do a full sell this year. I know that the 2nd half of the season will be absolutely brutal if a full sell is done but it gets the Mooseheads ahead of where they will be for 2015-2016 and beyond if they do. I am prepared to have some rough times, but like u said, if we can combine getting some players back and picks that would definitely help the downtime. How is BC doing it being a top team the last two years and now looking pretty good this year as well. |
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Post by Citris on Nov 5, 2014 13:39:06 GMT -4
mooseinfo: Gatineau just solved their goaltending situation by adding Brandon Whitney from Victoriaville. howitzer: Regarding Josh Fitzgerald, just because he's an un-drafted free agent doesn't mean he can't be a disappointment. He lead his team to a league title in midget last year, but he hasn't adjusted to the speed of the Q well at all. He's a step behind almost all the time. Nauss has been a pleasant surprise obviously, as has Watt. Speaking of dissapointments: Andrew Shewfelt has been brutal. I didn't think at this point in the season Kelly Bent would have been a more useful player than Shewfelt.
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Post by nsvees on Nov 5, 2014 19:11:44 GMT -4
Why do I have the feeling we are going to be underwhelmed with the moves Russell will make at Christmas. I am kinda trying to get in his head and think...well is it better for us to be lower in the standings come Christmas time. If we play well and are higher in the standings he may not make the deals. Do u folks still think there is a market for Fucale out there? Could Rimouski use Fucale over Desrosier? I'm holding out hope that we get a lot for some of our players. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get as much as we thought, or didn't trade some players that we'd like to get value for. The Moose don't have a history of sell-offs at Christmas, even in years when it would make sense. With the success the Moose have had the last few years, I don't know if going to a full blown-scrape-to-the-bottom rebuild is in Cam Russell's mindset. My fear is that he'll think he'll only have to do some tweaking and the Moose will be among the top contenders in a short period of time (a year or two). If he thinks that, he's beyond delusional, though the division is bad, or not quite as good as we thought it would be (especially Cape Breton and to a lesser extent Charlottetown, who I thought would be better this season. On the flip side, Saint John has done much better than I thought). They need to go to the full blown rebuild mode. Half assing it doesn't work. |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 5, 2014 19:16:51 GMT -4
I'm holding out hope that we get a lot for some of our players. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get as much as we thought, or didn't trade some players that we'd like to get value for. The Moose don't have a history of sell-offs at Christmas, even in years when it would make sense. With the success the Moose have had the last few years, I don't know if going to a full blown-scrape-to-the-bottom rebuild is in Cam Russell's mindset. My fear is that he'll think he'll only have to do some tweaking and the Moose will be among the top contenders in a short period of time (a year or two). If he thinks that, he's beyond delusional, though the division is bad, or not quite as good as we thought it would be (especially Cape Breton and to a lesser extent Charlottetown, who I thought would be better this season. On the flip side, Saint John has done much better than I thought). They need to go to the full blown rebuild mode. Half assing it doesn't work. Well, what is "full blown" rebuild? We only really have 2-3 main assets that would be worth moving: Fucale, Gadoury, Murphy would be the big 3. After that, we may get interest in Hardie (though 20) if a team wanted a gritty stay at home defenseman. If you are going to trade 1-2 of those guys, might as well trade a 3rd lol. I highly doubt you see Ehlers traded. He is probably still likely to return next year as he will still only be 19 and pretty light for NHL standards. |
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Post by nsvees on Nov 5, 2014 20:01:53 GMT -4
With the success the Moose have had the last few years, I don't know if going to a full blown-scrape-to-the-bottom rebuild is in Cam Russell's mindset. My fear is that he'll think he'll only have to do some tweaking and the Moose will be among the top contenders in a short period of time (a year or two). If he thinks that, he's beyond delusional, though the division is bad, or not quite as good as we thought it would be (especially Cape Breton and to a lesser extent Charlottetown, who I thought would be better this season. On the flip side, Saint John has done much better than I thought). They need to go to the full blown rebuild mode. Half assing it doesn't work. Well, what is "full blown" rebuild? We only really have 2-3 main assets that would be worth moving: Fucale, Gadoury, Murphy would be the big 3. After that, we may get interest in Hardie (though 20) if a team wanted a gritty stay at home defenseman. If you are going to trade 1-2 of those guys, might as well trade a 3rd lol. I highly doubt you see Ehlers traded. He is probably still likely to return next year as he will still only be 19 and pretty light for NHL standards. I meant trade anyone who has at least decent value and can bring back a useful asset(s) to help the rebuild along. They have those types (Fucale, Ehlers, Gadoury, Hardie, Murphy) that should bring back good value. They have the young defencemen, so should target some 16-18 year old skill forwards (can also address that in the Midget Draft) Gatineau getting Whitney today from Victoriaville does cut 1 team the Moose can sent Fucale to; I would think Quebec will kick the tires on him if they haven't already. Ehlers would have more value this season than he will next season (I would think he plays pro as a 20 year old), so this season would be the time to deal him if they do. I doubt Murphy gets traded before January 10; I think they wait until the draft or the summer and see what the market is. Gadoury is the most likely to be moved by the trade deadline I would think; just a matter of where and what the return is. Hardie is a close second most likely to be moved as every team is looking for defenceman. Just my opinion. |
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Post by guru on Nov 5, 2014 20:38:38 GMT -4
Have the Mooseheads ever traded away a player with the pedigree of Ehlers or Fucale? Closest thing to it is trading Brandon Reid for future considerations. But Russell never had the opportunity to trade away great talent until now.
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Post by Gman on Nov 5, 2014 21:42:56 GMT -4
Have the Mooseheads ever traded away a player with the pedigree of Ehlers or Fucale? Closest thing to it is trading Brandon Reid for future considerations. But Russell never had the opportunity to trade away great talent until now. Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. |
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Post by guru on Nov 5, 2014 22:12:26 GMT -4
Have the Mooseheads ever traded away a player with the pedigree of Ehlers or Fucale? Closest thing to it is trading Brandon Reid for future considerations. But Russell never had the opportunity to trade away great talent until now. Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. I don't think Leclaire can count because I think he asked to be traded. Anyone recall? Knotek was a good Q player, but I'm talking about studs or players that will be good pros. MacMillan, he was drafted high, but at the time we knew he was a standard decent junior player. If Ehlers and Fucale are traded, I'll be impressed. These are high level guys. Or maybe we just haven't had too many great players during a rebuild time which if true would make my point pointless. |
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 5, 2014 22:58:39 GMT -4
Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. I don't think Leclaire can count because I think he asked to be traded. Anyone recall? Knotek was a good Q player, but I'm talking about studs or players that will be good pros. MacMillan, he was drafted high, but at the time we knew he was a standard decent junior player. If Ehlers and Fucale are traded, I'll be impressed. These are high level guys. Or maybe we just haven't had too many great players during a rebuild time which if true would make my point pointless. Ya Leclair was more of a player trade. MacMillan had some issues too but not really the main point. Edit: Knotek did not want to go and others were like that including VolKov. Lots of players the Moose had just wanted to play here like Brine etc. Problem when locals are here at 20 and others who made deals. |
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Post by Gman on Nov 5, 2014 23:15:14 GMT -4
Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. I don't think Leclaire can count because I think he asked to be traded. Anyone recall? Knotek was a good Q player, but I'm talking about studs or players that will be good pros. MacMillan, he was drafted high, but at the time we knew he was a standard decent junior player. If Ehlers and Fucale are traded, I'll be impressed. These are high level guys. Or maybe we just haven't had too many great players during a rebuild time which if true would make my point pointless. You asked, I answered - not much else I can do. All the players comparable to an Ehlers or Fucale were needed on the team for championship runs. I agree with your last point above. During the down years, Halifax had zero high end talent returning, which is what made them so painful (thank you Patenaude). |
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Post by guru on Nov 6, 2014 0:06:50 GMT -4
I don't have any inside info and don't really need it, not looking to be one of the boys. We don't really have a past history to go on that the team would be willing to trade away star players. I guess whatever does or doesn't happen wouldn't shock me.
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Post by Reesor on Nov 6, 2014 8:16:27 GMT -4
I don't have any inside info and don't really need it, not looking to be one of the boys. We don't really have a past history to go on that the team would be willing to trade away star players. I guess whatever does or doesn't happen wouldn't shock me. At the same time, Cam hasn't been in this position yet. 08/09 was the closest he's been to a re-build starting season, and that didn't exactly go as planned. I think it's up to Bobby Smith. If Bobby wants Ehlers' face pasted on all the billboards around the city, he could nix dealing Ehlers. Purely speculation of course, but that IMO would be a small-team mentality, and would hurt us in the long run. |
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