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Post by johnstrow on Nov 6, 2014 8:19:57 GMT -4
I don't have any inside info and don't really need it, not looking to be one of the boys. We don't really have a past history to go on that the team would be willing to trade away star players. I guess whatever does or doesn't happen wouldn't shock me. At the same time, Cam hasn't been in this position yet. 08/09 was the closest he's been to a re-build starting season, and that didn't exactly go as planned. I think it's up to Bobby Smith. If Bobby wants Ehlers' face pasted on all the billboards around the city, he could nix dealing Ehlers. Purely speculation of course, but that IMO would be a small-team mentality, and would hurt us in the long run. I cant believe nobody has mentioned this yet, but a few weeks back when we were down in Cape Breton playing their side of the home/home, Pat McNeil had an interview with John Moore during one of the intermissions and John mentioned something about Ehlers maybe having a no movement clause. Did anyone else hear anything about that. Everyone is talking about selling assets, when one of our biggest may not be able to even be moved.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 6, 2014 9:06:53 GMT -4
At the same time, Cam hasn't been in this position yet. 08/09 was the closest he's been to a re-build starting season, and that didn't exactly go as planned. I think it's up to Bobby Smith. If Bobby wants Ehlers' face pasted on all the billboards around the city, he could nix dealing Ehlers. Purely speculation of course, but that IMO would be a small-team mentality, and would hurt us in the long run. I cant believe nobody has mentioned this yet, but a few weeks back when we were down in Cape Breton playing their side of the home/home, Pat McNeil had an interview with John Moore during one of the intermissions and John mentioned something about Ehlers maybe having a no movement clause. Did anyone else hear anything about that. Everyone is talking about selling assets, when one of our biggest may not be able to even be moved. No doubt he does... but they could still approach him with a move to a top team and he would likely consider it. I don't expect him to be traded though.
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Post by paulmcswain on Nov 6, 2014 9:24:00 GMT -4
Have the Mooseheads ever traded away a player with the pedigree of Ehlers or Fucale? Closest thing to it is trading Brandon Reid for future considerations. But Russell never had the opportunity to trade away great talent until now. Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. Small correction...Leclaire was traded at the draft. Macmillan is probably the closest thing to a big sell off we did. That was of course the year after the debacle in 07-08....we were in a worse situation than an expansion team at that time. Macmillan was our only marketable asset and he was sold for I think 4 picks. I think the reason people are uneasy is that we have never really "sold" at Christmas time. The season that stands out was the year we had Carnegie/Brine. But other than that, at least in recent history, our teams were so bad in down years we really had nothing to sell. This year is the test for Russell for sure. No chance this team is competing for a championship, and we have several marketable assets. Will b interesting to see what he does. I do worry the market for Fucale might not be as big as we think. Obviously some would be interested, but if there are only a couple of teams bidding, his return might not be what we are thinking we could get for a stud.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 6, 2014 9:32:36 GMT -4
Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. Small correction...Leclaire was traded at the draft. Macmillan is probably the closest thing to a big sell off we did. That was of course the year after the debacle in 07-08....we were in a worse situation than an expansion team at that time. Macmillan was our only marketable asset and he was sold for I think 4 picks. I think the reason people are uneasy is that we have never really "sold" at Christmas time. The season that stands out was the year we had Carnegie/Brine. But other than that, at least in recent history, our teams were so bad in down years we really had nothing to sell. This year is the test for Russell for sure. No chance this team is competing for a championship, and we have several marketable assets. Will b interesting to see what he does. I do worry the market for Fucale might not be as big as we think. Obviously some would be interested, but if there are only a couple of teams bidding, his return might not be what we are thinking we could get for a stud. Yes, we were never in this position - the one where we can trade a few big assets - since Came basically took over at GM. He has done a good job moving medium assets and 20's etc here and there since he started, but we were never faced with the tough decision of trading top players to voluntarily make the team worse. Fucale is gone next year for sure, so I would be taking whatever we can get if it comes down to the final day. His price will depend on the number of teams in need in January obviously. Tough to say. Murphy will likely be back as a 20, so it doesn't make sense to give him away for too cheap as he may be more valuable to us the rest of this year and next. We may not get offered enough ultimately. Gadoury also has limited destinations, being a 20. But I have no doubt he could fit into any top line and produce a lot, so being a 20, a team looking for an offensive boost could target him. Ehlers of course would need a huge haul, with some stipulations on if he returns next year. I just don't see it happening.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 6, 2014 9:45:20 GMT -4
Have the Mooseheads ever traded away a player with the pedigree of Ehlers or Fucale? Closest thing to it is trading Brandon Reid for future considerations. But Russell never had the opportunity to trade away great talent until now. Pascal Leclaire was traded during the Christmas trade period to Montreal, and he was a marquee player at the time. Logan MacMillan was traded to Rimouski for a huge group of picks during the Christmas trade period. Knotek was probably the only player of value Cam could have traded and didn't, but he was pretty much our offense, so maybe not a good idea to trade him away. I just want to correct something else here. Knotek was basically traded. Deal was done and agreed upon but Knotek had a no trade deal and said he didn't want to leave Halifax. Not sure what was coming back to Halifax in the trade but the other team was Val D'or.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 6, 2014 9:47:52 GMT -4
At the same time, Cam hasn't been in this position yet. 08/09 was the closest he's been to a re-build starting season, and that didn't exactly go as planned. I think it's up to Bobby Smith. If Bobby wants Ehlers' face pasted on all the billboards around the city, he could nix dealing Ehlers. Purely speculation of course, but that IMO would be a small-team mentality, and would hurt us in the long run. I cant believe nobody has mentioned this yet, but a few weeks back when we were down in Cape Breton playing their side of the home/home, Pat McNeil had an interview with John Moore during one of the intermissions and John mentioned something about Ehlers maybe having a no movement clause. Did anyone else hear anything about that. Everyone is talking about selling assets, when one of our biggest may not be able to even be moved. According to Palov, Ehlers can be traded
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Post by Citris on Nov 6, 2014 9:55:52 GMT -4
I cant believe nobody has mentioned this yet, but a few weeks back when we were down in Cape Breton playing their side of the home/home, Pat McNeil had an interview with John Moore during one of the intermissions and John mentioned something about Ehlers maybe having a no movement clause. Did anyone else hear anything about that. Everyone is talking about selling assets, when one of our biggest may not be able to even be moved. According to Palov, Ehlers can be traded The wording of it doesn't rule out a NTC tho... he IS eligible to be traded being a second year Euro. Also Fucale being back as a 20 isn't 100% out of the question. Unlikely, maybe, but certainly not impossible.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 6, 2014 9:56:22 GMT -4
A move like that would definitely be a decision by Bobby. Cam would refer to him on all player transactions, but when you're talking a star player, who's the face of the franchise, that's an ownership call 100%.
I don't see Ehlers the same as Drouin. There is/was no chance Drouin played at 19. If I had to bet, I'd say Ehlers sticks with the Jets next year, but it's nowhere near a slam dunk, like Drouin. It would be a big commitment by Bobby to move him at xmas. Will be interesting to see.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 6, 2014 9:59:19 GMT -4
At the same time, Cam hasn't been in this position yet. 08/09 was the closest he's been to a re-build starting season, and that didn't exactly go as planned. I think it's up to Bobby Smith. If Bobby wants Ehlers' face pasted on all the billboards around the city, he could nix dealing Ehlers. Purely speculation of course, but that IMO would be a small-team mentality, and would hurt us in the long run. I cant believe nobody has mentioned this yet, but a few weeks back when we were down in Cape Breton playing their side of the home/home, Pat McNeil had an interview with John Moore during one of the intermissions and John mentioned something about Ehlers maybe having a no movement clause. Did anyone else hear anything about that. Everyone is talking about selling assets, when one of our biggest may not be able to even be moved. It has been said but all cam has to do is ask him if he alright with it. I even threw out a scenario which I will do again. Say Quebec calls makes an offer Cam would likely call the Jets say Quebec is looking to acquirer Elhers. They offered us a good deal but he has a NTC. Then the Jets say we want him to go to Quebec and play for a championship, we will take care of the NTC. They talk to Nik and tell him we think it's best for you development to go there and well Bobs your Uncle! That's the long way mind you. Cam could just go right to him say look Quebec has asked about you what do think? He say yes then it becomes way easier. Oh and another thing John Moore isn't the best sores. He's usually the last one to know anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 9:59:37 GMT -4
A move like that would definitely be a decision by Bobby. Cam would refer to him on all player transactions, but when you're talking a star player, who's the face of the franchise, that's an ownership call 100%. I don't see Ehlers the same as Drouin. There is/was no chance Drouin played at 19. If I had to bet, I'd say Ehlers sticks with the Jets next year, but it's nowhere near a slam dunk, like Drouin. It would be a big commitment by Bobby to move him at xmas. Will be interesting to see. If Bobby doesn't have the balls to move Ehlers Mooseheads fans might as well add at least a year or two to the process for actually being serious contenders for a Q title. I hope Bobby realizes this fact.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 6, 2014 10:07:53 GMT -4
A move like that would definitely be a decision by Bobby. Cam would refer to him on all player transactions, but when you're talking a star player, who's the face of the franchise, that's an ownership call 100%. I don't see Ehlers the same as Drouin. There is/was no chance Drouin played at 19. If I had to bet, I'd say Ehlers sticks with the Jets next year, but it's nowhere near a slam dunk, like Drouin. It would be a big commitment by Bobby to move him at xmas. Will be interesting to see. If Bobby doesn't have the balls to move Ehlers Mooseheads fans might as well add at least a year or two to the process for actually being serious contenders for a Q title. I hope Bobby realizes this fact. Easy for us to say that when it's not our team/investment lol. I get what you're saying and agree, but it's not always a cut and dry decision.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 6, 2014 10:17:47 GMT -4
Another small thing to consider here is we can be looking at a top 20 euro pick this year. which is a great pick to have now that you can't trade the picks anymore. It might be better to trade him and use that pick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 10:23:55 GMT -4
Another small thing to consider here is we can be looking at a top 20 euro pick this year. which is a great pick to have now that you can't trade the picks anymore. It might be better to trade him and use that pick. It could be top 10 if we sell big time- pretty sure this is the year that the Q picks 1,4,7,10 so even if we are sacrificial lambs of slaughter for whoever gets the #1 seed we are picking 7th overall.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 6, 2014 10:48:50 GMT -4
Fucale and Ehlers to Chicoutimi would work well. Could you imagine Ehlers on the big ice.
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Post by hockeydad on Nov 6, 2014 10:52:28 GMT -4
If I was trading I would look to Chic or Sher as one of my partners and I would ask for 1st round and second pick plus a young goalie and one of the Roy's back at the draft for Fucale ,Gadoury ,and Murphy than I would trade Ehlers to Quebec for 2 young players Maheux at draft and Moody now.As a result we would set are selves up to be good the next couple of years.As well tanking it this year gets us a high eur pick and Q picks durning a great draft year.
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