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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 11, 2014 13:36:40 GMT -4
What does who we lost have to do with the expectation being placed on who was brought in? Every team loses some good players every season. I think the improvement in every returnee plus what was added was expected by everyone to result in an improvement. Its interesting though how you set your expectations for players and teams based on hindsight. ... you said "So we should have expected them to make the team worse?" If you're not saying worse than last years team, than I have no idea what you're talking about to begin with. The group of D are younger, less experienced, and they brought in less than they lost. Its interesting though how you say I set my expectations for players and teams based on hindsight but still try to disagree with the fact that this years group of D are younger than last years group of D lol I'm sure if I said my shirt was blue you'd tell me I was wrong and then go on to explain why the shirt isn't red Without seeing a picture of your shirt only you would know for sure. As usual even your analogies make no sense. Yes I am talking about last years team. You now seem to think it's obvious that this years team be worse then last years becuase of the 3 defencemen that were lost. If it was so obvious then where were you with that sort of insight 2-3 months ago? Was everyone wrong in expecting the additions of Deschamps and MacIntyre along with an improvement from within and the arrival of Svechnikov that this years team should be better then last years? Sorry, too many words. I will make it shorter: Was everyone wrong in expecting that this years team should be better then last years?
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 11, 2014 14:16:14 GMT -4
... you said "So we should have expected them to make the team worse?" If you're not saying worse than last years team, than I have no idea what you're talking about to begin with. The group of D are younger, less experienced, and they brought in less than they lost. Its interesting though how you say I set my expectations for players and teams based on hindsight but still try to disagree with the fact that this years group of D are younger than last years group of D lol I'm sure if I said my shirt was blue you'd tell me I was wrong and then go on to explain why the shirt isn't red Without seeing a picture of your shirt only you would know for sure. As usual even your analogies make no sense. Yes I am talking about last years team. You now seem to think it's obvious that this years team be worse then last years becuase of the 3 defencemen that were lost. If it was so obvious then where were you with that sort of insight 2-3 months ago? Was everyone wrong in expecting the additions of Deschamps and MacIntyre along with an improvement from within and the arrival of Svechnikov that this years team should be better then last years? Sorry, too many words. I will make it shorter: Was everyone wrong in expecting that this years team should be better then last years? Like I said, you'd go on to explain why my shirt isn't red. I never said this team is worse, I've said the D are younger and less experienced. There was bound to be growing pains on the back end. Since I've been able to predict what you're going to say before you say it, I'll try again. You'll ignore that I said multiple times I didn't want CB to try to force a run out of this year by "going for it" despite me providing a number of quotes in a previous thread and then tell me that I never had an opinion from the start of the season. Another thread turned into a pissing match because I dared to disagree with the great Jack Bauer at the start of the season.
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Post by theqprofessor on Nov 11, 2014 14:19:32 GMT -4
To me Deschamps is a disappointment, but MacIntyre isn't playing as advertised, but the fact we paid basically 2 2nd rounders and Bureau for Deschamp hurts. Don't rake me over the coals but I would rather have Bureau, rather than Sullivan or Brassard and the 2nd rounder(page wouldn't report) ,we could have even made Beaudin a regular, who in my opinion is a gem
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Post by theqprofessor on Nov 11, 2014 14:21:57 GMT -4
This board needs solid ideas, not that our opinion is right but the bashing has to stop
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Post by thetruth on Nov 11, 2014 14:35:46 GMT -4
I have been reading your comments with interest, in regards to our last game, first do we remember how many games we have had this year with one goal against having 1:46 sec. left in the game ? Second THE TEAM WAS UNABLE TO KEEP THE PUCK 15 TO 20 FT AWAY FROM THE GOAL NEVER MIND OUT OF OUR END. Did we have our best players on the ice for the tying goal? Yes the goal tender who made some very good saves in the 58:55 sec of the game with 25 shots on him and only one goal against, has to except some, but not all of the responsibility . If one watches the end of the game over and over one will see that the opposition players are in front of the net while our players are looking around rather than taking the man out. ( we are playing the puck and not the man ) For some reason our D-man have not been told to be defensive and take the man out are we not watching the tapes of the game the next day and pointing out where we went wrong followed by corrections in practices. To be fair to the D-man and forwards with the icing call these guys were tired with a very long shift which did not help the situation. I can’t believe we are blasting Sullivan as per the comments I am reading. Most comments say the GM did a very good job getting talent for our team, is not the coach –GM one of the same and did he not get Sullivan, he must have seen something he liked. This was his first full game since FOREVER and yes some of us felt he should be giving a chance however, others are hard on his case to knock him when in fact he has done better than other we have had in goal. GIVE THE KID A CHANCE LIKE WE GAVE OTHER GOALIES OR DOES THE AGE 20 MAKE U GOD IN THE GOALIE DEPARTMENT ( WHICH IN MY VIEW IT DOES NOT) . I like Bell however, he has to be told, go up and rush when u want but u screw up u sit.. your call, that would solve getting caught up ice and make him a much better player. YES we have a young team but now is the time to shape that team and show them the way its to late when they are ready to leave us. Just my opinion! I must tell the truth as I see it.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 11, 2014 14:55:43 GMT -4
To me Deschamps is a disappointment, but MacIntyre isn't playing as advertised, but the fact we paid basically 2 2nd rounders and Bureau for Deschamp hurts. Don't rake me over the coals but I would rather have Bureau, rather than Sullivan or Brassard and the 2nd rounder(page wouldn't report) ,we could have even made Beaudin a regular, who in my opinion is a gem Agreed with Deschamps. His defensive play reminds me of Dion Phaneuf lol I find he gets hung out to dry a lot though. Either his D-man is caught pinching or no forward supporting him. That's been the story with MacIntyre since he's joined the league. He was meant to be a top 5 pick but his invite to the US Program gave him that NCAA factor that allowed him to go to Quebec but never really lived up to expectation. They'll both be overagers in this league though.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 11, 2014 14:57:14 GMT -4
Without seeing a picture of your shirt only you would know for sure. As usual even your analogies make no sense. Yes I am talking about last years team. You now seem to think it's obvious that this years team be worse then last years becuase of the 3 defencemen that were lost. If it was so obvious then where were you with that sort of insight 2-3 months ago? Was everyone wrong in expecting the additions of Deschamps and MacIntyre along with an improvement from within and the arrival of Svechnikov that this years team should be better then last years? Sorry, too many words. I will make it shorter: Was everyone wrong in expecting that this years team should be better then last years? Like I said, you'd go on to explain why my shirt isn't red. I never said this team is worse, I've said the D are younger and less experienced. There was bound to be growing pains on the back end. Since I've been able to predict what you're going to say before you say it, I'll try again. You'll ignore that I said multiple times I didn't want CB to try to force a run out of this year by "going for it" despite me providing a number of quotes in a previous thread and then tell me that I never had an opinion from the start of the season. Another thread turned into a pissing match because I dared to disagree with the great Jack Bauer at the start of the season. At the start of the season? You make comments like nobody should have expected the acquired defencemen to play up to their potential because of who they were replacing after 1/3 of the season then call is your own prediction. You're making your season projections in November if you haven't noticed. I'm not great, I have as many flaws as the next person. I just have an ability to spot a bullshitter from a mile away. Much easier when they have the post history you do.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 11, 2014 15:02:46 GMT -4
This board needs solid ideas, not that our opinion is right but the bashing has to stop I agree. I miss the days of people defending themselves rather then trying to bash others to make themselves look/feel superior. It's ok to disagree. But I will add this disclaimer: It's also ok to recognize passive agressive shit disturbing and call it for what it is. Personally i've tried to let a certain posters comments go by after we initially disagreed on some things but history shows that person being unable to move on from that and provide some comments and posts that are worth discussing. Constantly trying to force an opinion of superiority on others does nobody any good. I've never forced my opinion on others but I will say with 100% truth that I do know people come here just to read what I have to say and a big part of that is my history of calling a spade a spade when it comes to this hockey team so I do make it a point to come here and post what I think and I encourage others to do the same since the more opinion we have the healthier a discussion usually is. History will also show that those who don't last or complain the loudest are the ones who lack A) the ability or B) the knowledge to defend their own opinions.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Nov 11, 2014 16:08:47 GMT -4
Good comments on both sides.Fellow bloggers,I still firmly believe that the issues with this team stems from a lack of systems (coaching) and at times a lack od discipline. As one blogger posted several weeks ago, he attends some Eagles practices and all they work on is offence, offence,offence. At the present rate that we are playing defensively, we have to score 5 or 6 goals a game to be successful. How often is that going to happen, not often. We can blame it on whatever, poor goaltending, poor defensive play, young defence, but the fact is this team does not have any systems in place and you can add and pick up whomever you want, without the proper systems and coaching in place, you will not succeed. I guess I look at the games a little more analytical than some and perhaps that comes with having coached kids for years, some of whom have gone through this league,but this team really needs someone to coach them. I am afraid if this season is not turned around pretty soon, it is going to be another disappointing season for the fans.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 11, 2014 16:31:53 GMT -4
This board needs solid ideas, not that our opinion is right but the bashing has to stop I agree. I miss the days of people defending themselves rather then trying to bash others to make themselves look/feel superior. It's ok to disagree. But I will add this disclaimer: It's also ok to recognize passive agressive shit disturbing and call it for what it is. Personally i've tried to let a certain posters comments go by after we initially disagreed on some things but history shows that person being unable to move on from that and provide some comments and posts that are worth discussing. Constantly trying to force an opinion of superiority on others does nobody any good. I've never forced my opinion on others but I will say with 100% truth that I do know people come here just to read what I have to say and a big part of that is my history of calling a spade a spade when it comes to this hockey team so I do make it a point to come here and post what I think and I encourage others to do the same since the more opinion we have the healthier a discussion usually is. History will also show that those who don't last or complain the loudest are the ones who lack A) the ability or B) the knowledge to defend their own opinions. Amazing disclaimer! I didn't even direct a post at you but every time I post you're there to drag up the same conversation... and then you say I'm unable to move on from the initial disagreement! Apparently I try to constantly force an opinion of superiority but there are people who come here for the sole purpose of reading your opinion! You can't even read a post clearly. Like this one for example: At the start of the season? You make comments like nobody should have expected the acquired defencemen to play up to their potential because of who they were replacing after 1/3 of the season then call is your own prediction. You're making your season projections in November if you haven't noticed. I'm not great, I have as many flaws as the next person. I just have an ability to spot a bullshitter from a mile away. Much easier when they have the post history you do. I used the word "predict" for what you were going to say. I didn't say anything about me predicting what was going to happen on the ice lmfao! You cherry picking words to try to call someone out is more insulting than calling me a name lol But that's been the trend. You misinterpret a post, you try to call someone on it, and then you act like you're the Robin Hood of the QMJHL East boards for calling me out on something that was never said. The defense got younger and less experienced. It's a fact. How you can't see that is completely beyond me. Out go 2 overage defense & a 19 year old NHL pick, in come 2 undrafted 18 year olds & a 16 year old draft pick. It's really not complicated at all... but I said it so it's unacceptable. I miss the days when people actually read posts and didn't make blind assumptions that forced others to defend themselves from stuff that was never actually said after every single post.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 11, 2014 16:46:35 GMT -4
I agree. I miss the days of people defending themselves rather then trying to bash others to make themselves look/feel superior. It's ok to disagree. But I will add this disclaimer: It's also ok to recognize passive agressive shit disturbing and call it for what it is. Personally i've tried to let a certain posters comments go by after we initially disagreed on some things but history shows that person being unable to move on from that and provide some comments and posts that are worth discussing. Constantly trying to force an opinion of superiority on others does nobody any good. I've never forced my opinion on others but I will say with 100% truth that I do know people come here just to read what I have to say and a big part of that is my history of calling a spade a spade when it comes to this hockey team so I do make it a point to come here and post what I think and I encourage others to do the same since the more opinion we have the healthier a discussion usually is. History will also show that those who don't last or complain the loudest are the ones who lack A) the ability or B) the knowledge to defend their own opinions. Amazing disclaimer! I didn't even direct a post at you but every time I post you're there to drag up the same conversation... and then you say I'm unable to move on from the initial disagreement! Apparently I try to constantly force an opinion of superiority but there are people who come here for the sole purpose of reading your opinion! You can't even read a post clearly. Like this one for example: At the start of the season? You make comments like nobody should have expected the acquired defencemen to play up to their potential because of who they were replacing after 1/3 of the season then call is your own prediction. You're making your season projections in November if you haven't noticed. I'm not great, I have as many flaws as the next person. I just have an ability to spot a bullshitter from a mile away. Much easier when they have the post history you do. I used the word "predict" for what you were going to say. I didn't say anything about me predicting what was going to happen on the ice lmfao! You cherry picking words to try to call someone out is more insulting than calling me a name lol But that's been the trend. You misinterpret a post, you try to call someone on it, and then you act like you're the Robin Hood of the QMJHL East boards for calling me out on something that was never said. The defense got younger and less experienced. It's a fact. How you can't see that is completely beyond me. Out go 2 overage defense & a 19 year old NHL pick, in come 2 undrafted 18 year olds & a 16 year old draft pick. It's really not complicated at all... but I said it so it's unacceptable. I miss the days when people actually read posts and didn't make blind assumptions that forced others to defend themselves from stuff that was never actually said after every single post. Thank you proving my point. You're doing the exact same thing you accuse me of. You're now starting an argument that of course we all should have known this team was going to be worse. Not 1 point before today said that, but of course we all should have seen it. Even though you also didn't see it coming. Or there would be posts from you claiming that. We're again talking 2 completely different things as you go down your own road and ignore the comments directed towards you. Nobody claimed the defence did not get younger and less experienced based on last years team. The comment I made was why didn't anyone predict that bringing in 2 veterans, combined with returness getting better, and Svechnikov that the team was going to get worse? I believe that's been ignored by you 3 times now. As you talk about Robin Hood and people unable to read you mask your own avoiding of the very direct statement and try to make it look like people said the defence got older and more experienced(based on this statement from you: The defense got younger and less experienced. It's a fact.) Referencing veteran defencemen was me talking about bringing in players who have played in the league before. Not getting older and more experienced. That's how YOU chose to take that comment. See how that stuff goes both ways? Ironic that you 'miss the days' when something happened the way you want to believe it did even though i've been here longer then just about anyone and don't remember the days when anyone agreed for the sake of agreeing. Another fantasy.
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Post by theqprofessor on Nov 11, 2014 17:08:39 GMT -4
So any who, what does this team need? Besides a goaltender . Wait I know a defensive system that stands the odd guy up on the blue line, we haven't had a clean hit since Hache open ice hit Gadoury, whatever anybody thinks of Brunelle he is a nice piece of the puzzle
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 11, 2014 17:54:03 GMT -4
So any who, what does this team need? Besides a goaltender . Wait I know a defensive system that stands the odd guy up on the blue line, we haven't had a clean hit since Hache open ice hit Gadoury, whatever anybody thinks of Brunelle he is a nice piece of the puzzle Excellent point. I was starting to think the Q did away with body contact after watching a few Eagles games. Defensively and offensively we could use a physical presence. Many thought that was what Deschamps would excel at in 2/3 of the ice but he has not really been that kind of player.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 11, 2014 18:03:11 GMT -4
Thank you proving my point. You're doing the exact same thing you accuse me of. You're now starting an argument that of course we all should have known this team was going to be worse. Not 1 point before today said that, but of course we all should have seen it. Even though you also didn't see it coming. Or there would be posts from you claiming that. Where the bloody fuck did I say that? Go on. Give me an exact quote. I re-read my posts and all I can see is me saying that the defense got younger and less experienced and will need time to adjust to their new roles. If you expected 2 18 year olds to walk into a new team, replace 2 overagers & a 19 year old NHL pick, and immediately improve the roster "vastly" you had unrealistic expectations. We're again talking 2 completely different things as you go down your own road and ignore the comments directed towards you. Nobody claimed the defence did not get younger and less experienced based on last years team. The comment I made was why didn't anyone predict that bringing in 2 veterans, combined with returness getting better, and Svechnikov that the team was going to get worse? I believe that's been ignored by you 3 times now.Ignored by me 3 times now? Because I didn't say that you dolt. How do you get Svechnikov made the team worse from "the defense is young" ? If you agree that the defense is younger and less experienced, then you have no reason to respond in disagreement in the first place. I acknowledged everything you said in this post, can't say the same for you back when you misrepresented my opinion on going for it next year > this year. Again disagreeing with me just for the sake of disagreeing with me and starting a pissing match that was totally avoidable. As you talk about Robin Hood and people unable to read you mask your own avoiding of the very direct statement and try to make it look like people said the defence got older and more experienced(based on this statement from you: The defense got younger and less experienced. It's a fact.) My original point was the defense got younger and less experienced and you went out of your way to try to call me out for saying it. If you didn't disagree with me, why did you stroke your keyboard? Ahhh to start another argument? Referencing veteran defencemen was me talking about bringing in players who have played in the league before. Not getting older and more experienced. That's how YOU chose to take that comment. See how that stuff goes both ways? So when you say it goes both ways are you admitting you've done it multiple times? Referencing veteran defencemen and saying "it was supposed to be vastly improved by the addition of 2 18yr old" was you having unrealistic expectations. Out go 2 overagers & a 19 year old to the AHL, In come 2 18 year olds with experience in a depth role & a bad team. If you thought that those 2 would walk into prominent roles and immediately succeed, your expectations were unrealistic. Ironic that you 'miss the days' when something happened the way you want to believe it did even though i've been here longer then just about anyone and don't remember the days when anyone agreed for the sake of agreeing. Another fantasy. Because the internet was invented for qmjhleast.proboards.com ?
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Post by goeaglesgo on Nov 11, 2014 19:19:11 GMT -4
Holy shit you two should just stop arguing. It's a tad childish, arguing on the internet. It you have different opinions that's fine, if you want to argue about them, get together over a beer or coffee and hash it out. Don't bring it here. I thought this was a place for fans to go and discuss thoughts and opinions on the Screaming Eagles not read people arguing just because they don't see things the same way.
P.S. Brassard sucks!
Thought I'd throw that in seeing as this is a goaltender woes thread.
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