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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 11, 2014 19:28:03 GMT -4
Holy shit you two should just stop arguing. It's a tad childish, arguing on the internet. It you have different opinions that's fine, if you want to argue about them, get together over a beer or coffee and hash it out. Don't bring it here. I thought this was a place for fans to go and discuss thoughts and opinions on the Screaming Eagles not read people arguing just because they don't see things the same way. P.S. Brassard sucks! Thought I'd throw that in seeing as this is a goaltender woes thread. I thought that too but apparently it's a place where everyone has to answer to Jack Bauer and if he doesn't like your answer, it will be brought up every time you post about anything. It'd be nice if he could let it go and/or piss off. I doubt it though.
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Post by looneytunes on Nov 11, 2014 23:59:42 GMT -4
Sometimes you just have to wonder if the players actually read these boards. Maybe it will light a fire under their ass.
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Post by sc74 on Nov 19, 2014 11:33:44 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 19, 2014 12:06:29 GMT -4
Seeing Dubois makes me understand their stance. Steep price to pay but it shows that Dumont ended up taking his plan B or C in Brassard and that he was willing to pay for a real #1 which means he likely still recognizes what his teams weakness is.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 19, 2014 12:07:30 GMT -4
Sometimes you just have to wonder if the players actually read these boards. Maybe it will light a fire under their ass. If you were 17 and someone was posting about you on the internet do you think you'd read it? Of course the players read this stuff.
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Post by sc74 on Nov 19, 2014 12:25:10 GMT -4
Seeing Dubois makes me understand their stance. Steep price to pay but it shows that Dumont ended up taking his plan B or C in Brassard and that he was willing to pay for a real #1 which means he likely still recognizes what his teams weakness is. I don't know what Ahern was thinking, unless he didn't know yet if he was going to contend. I doubt he'll get a better offer later.
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Post by bois on Nov 19, 2014 14:06:58 GMT -4
Seeing Dubois makes me understand their stance. Steep price to pay but it shows that Dumont ended up taking his plan B or C in Brassard and that he was willing to pay for a real #1 which means he likely still recognizes what his teams weakness is. I don't know what Ahern was thinking, unless he didn't know yet if he was going to contend. I doubt he'll get a better offer later. you check the standings lately? Baie Comeau is very much a contender
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 19, 2014 14:15:29 GMT -4
I don't know what Ahern was thinking, unless he didn't know yet if he was going to contend. I doubt he'll get a better offer later. you check the standings lately? Baie Comeau is very much a contender Pretty sure sc74 was referring to "at the time of the trade offer", which was before the draft this year. At that point I don't think anyone could say or predict with a high degree of certainty how good or bad this year's Baie Comeau team would be. I didn't think they'd be playing this well. I saw them in the 5th-8th place range probably, then becoming sellers at Xmas as a result of being upper-mid pack and not a true contender.
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Post by bois on Nov 19, 2014 14:29:39 GMT -4
Perhaps Ahern had a better grasp on where he thought his team would be this year
that was my point.. aand if so he's been proven right at least thus far
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 19, 2014 14:43:58 GMT -4
Perhaps Ahern had a better grasp on where he thought his team would be this year that was my point.. aand if so he's been proven right at least thus far Very possible...although if he thought they'd be this good then I wonder why he was even interested in moving Cadorette for a return of draft picks only to begin with.
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Post by gocapebreton on Nov 19, 2014 14:58:40 GMT -4
BC should have grabbed that offer. A 5 and 14 is too steep for a 19 year old undrafted goalie. Looking at next years draft selections as they stand, it appears that three of the firsts will be in the top ten. I just think that the contenders this year are set in goaltending, and as much as Cape Breton's need to address their goaltending, I just don't see any buyers with deep pockets for what's available. That is in Cape Breton's favor. If I was going to be tossing out a couple of 1st's, I'd be waiting till next years draft and going after Callum Booth(and he may be untouchable). Quebec needs to stock a bit on picks. Even if Cape Breton were to win the league title, I think there are a couple of teams in both the Western and Ontario leagues that are too strong this year in the Memorial cup. I think the only logical goalie, at this point, to go after at Christmas is Guindon and the most I think he's worth is one first(considering the level at which it will be). Then try and get their 20 year old d-man for a 2nd and Brassard. Finally, I'd be trying to bring one of their younger guys in as back up goalie (although they don't seem to have prioritized much on goalie drafts the last couple of years). Colby Muise appears to be playing strong in midget. There is also another 17 year old goalie who is playing extremely well in midget(Aaron Mantle). I believe he didn't get drafted. He's a big kid with a .946 save percentage thus far in the season. I know these kids aren't going to step in and be a #1, but one of these guys might be a little morale boost to the team.
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Post by bois on Nov 19, 2014 15:16:06 GMT -4
Perhaps Ahern had a better grasp on where he thought his team would be this year that was my point.. aand if so he's been proven right at least thus far Very possible...although if he thought they'd be this good then I wonder why he was even interested in moving Cadorette for a return of draft picks only to begin with. if you could get two firsts at the draft you make the move getting a bunch of seconds and a future is not the same value and i am not so sure if he decides at Christmas time to move Cadorette he doesn't get better value than that.... even if he waits until next years draft he can probably still get a couple of picks for Cadorette as a 20
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Post by sc74 on Nov 19, 2014 15:21:33 GMT -4
Ahern overpays for some of the players he gets (Hudon, Leblanc). I guess he expects the same when he sells.
Most serious Baie-Comeau fans don't want to contend this season because they know the cupboard is empty. Their first pick in 2015 is in 5th round as of now. They don't have quality rookies in lower leagues either. They don't want to live another few seasons in the bottom of the standings.
We can understand how it's tough to decide to sell when you're at the top of the standings. However, BC is clearly weaker than last year and unlike last year, they don't have the assets to get better.
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Post by sc74 on Nov 19, 2014 15:29:15 GMT -4
BC should have grabbed that offer. A 5 and 14 is too steep for a 19 year old undrafted goalie. Looking at next years draft selections as they stand, it appears that three of the firsts will be in the top ten. I just think that the contenders this year are set in goaltending, and as much as Cape Breton's need to address their goaltending, I just don't see any buyers with deep pockets for what's available. That is in Cape Breton's favor. If I was going to be tossing out a couple of 1st's, I'd be waiting till next years draft and going after Callum Booth(and he may be untouchable). Quebec needs to stock a bit on picks. Even if Cape Breton were to win the league title, I think there are a couple of teams in both the Western and Ontario leagues that are too strong this year in the Memorial cup. I think the only logical goalie, at this point, to go after at Christmas is Guindon and the most I think he's worth is one first(considering the level at which it will be). Then try and get their 20 year old d-man for a 2nd and Brassard. Finally, I'd be trying to bring one of their younger guys in as back up goalie (although they don't seem to have prioritized much on goalie drafts the last couple of years). Colby Muise appears to be playing strong in midget. There is also another 17 year old goalie who is playing extremely well in midget(Aaron Mantle). I believe he didn't get drafted. He's a big kid with a .946 save percentage thus far in the season. I know these kids aren't going to step in and be a #1, but one of these guys might be a little morale boost to the team. I think Quebec will get a new goalie and if Booth isn't in the deal, he'll be traded anyway.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 19, 2014 15:29:13 GMT -4
getting a bunch of seconds and a future is not the same value It wasn't just a bunch of 2nd round picks though. It was a 2014 1st round pick, 2 2014 2nd round picks, and a 2015 1st round pick. I understand what you are saying though. Getting #11, #30 and #31 picks overall in 2014, plus a 1st round pick in 2015 of unknown (but likely very late in the round) value is quite different than getting the immediate #5 and #14 overall picks of 2014.
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