Shakeup in Chicoutimi

[eaglefan62]

Notice on the blog that Chicoutimi has fired their GM and their head coach and their assistant GM resigned. Then Yannick Jean resigned as GM in Victoriavlle to become head coach and GM in Chicoutimi. Could we be headed in the same direction if we keep underachieving?

[jamesnorris]

It'd be a terrible idea.

It would be a disservice to Dumont & the team to fire him when the team he built is still so young.

Let the man see his plan through. It's not like he's messing with the future of the club like a Durocher or Roux.

[goeaglesgo]

It's not a terrible idea at all. Dumont is an absolutely terrible coach. He has built a great base of young talent and draft picks here over his tenure. If we get rid of him that doesn't mean all those said assets go with him. Bring someone in who knows how to lead these guys and as long as he is equally as smart not to give up everything for nothing why not. With Dumont behind the bench we will NEVER be as good as we are on paper.

[looneytunes]

I think we should not be impulsive at all. Let's wait it out a bit.

Second of all I would like Dumont to be a GM but not so much as coach if a change does occur.
If this change can occur flawlessly like what Hfx did with Cam Russel I would do that.

The other thing is that because of money constraints I do not think Dumont will be fired before his contract is up.

[eaglefan62]

This franchise has been struggling since the departure of Pascal Vincent.Firstly, we had the Paul MacDonald/Mario Durocher sideshow, then the Pierre Rioux/Ron Choules fiasco ad now we have a guy who is a good GM but a terrible coach. The team is stumbling badly and I think its about time the Board of Directors start sailing this ship in the right direction. Five years of this type of mismanagement is quite enough. Sometimes you only get what you pay for. Are we heading down the road of the once proud Bathurst franchise,notice they only had 700 fannies in the seats the other night. Very frustrating to watch.

[jamesnorris]

I don't understand how people who have no first hand knowledge of what is going on in the dressing room & have 0 experience coaching at this level can sit here and honestly call the guy a terrible coach & suggest firing him.

I don't understand the line juggling, he makes some decisions during the game that I don't fully understand, and I've questioned his coaching before but I also see some veterans that are playing like plugs and a lot of young players that are still finding their way in this league.

It's too easy to just pin it on the coach.

[eaglefan62]

Good points.I am not a hockey expert by any means, but I have been around the game all my life, both playing and coaching.I have coached and coached against some of the local kids who have played at this level. In my humble opinion, this guy has no systems in place, constantly juggles his lines and defensive pairings and I cannot follow his methods with the goaltenders. Every game when I go to the rink, I hear the same complaints about the lack of systems, constant line juggling and goaltending issues. others are noticing the problems as well.As far as what is or is not going on in the dressing room and players who may not be playing up to expectations, that too is a big part of the coaching component. The coach needs to have his finger on the pulse of all these things. If not, he is failing as a coach.

[mooseinfo]

Keep him until after the trade period. If no progress they can find a coach or the assistant takes over. If he wants to stay as GM fine, if not you have up until draft to get a GM or both. Cant imagine a contract is so bad you would let someone coach the franchise down the tubes. In the end the coach has to motivate and takes the fall when he cant.

[eaglefan62]

Good point Mooseinfo. Also I have heard of major discontent in the dressing room, two players(Matt Pauland Mason Gray) have left already and there are others who are very unhappy with the state of the team. Sometimes when you hear these things,you take them with a grain of salt,but when you hear the same things from multiple sources, it becomes troubling.

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Nov 29, 2014 17:32:40 GMT -4 eaglefan62 said:

Good point Mooseinfo. Also I have heard of major discontent in the dressing room, two players(Matt Pauland Mason Gray) have left already and there are others who are very unhappy with the state of the team. Sometimes when you hear these things,you take them with a grain of salt,but when you hear the same things from multiple sources, it becomes troubling.

Mason Gray didn't even come to camp .. then showed up and "retired"

Matt Paul was a 7th defence who was 17 .. what did he expect to get 20 minutes of ice a night as a 17 yo defence.

[jamesnorris]

Nov 29, 2014 17:32:40 GMT -4 eaglefan62 said:

Good point Mooseinfo. Also I have heard of major discontent in the dressing room, two players(Matt Pauland Mason Gray) have left already and there are others who are very unhappy with the state of the team. Sometimes when you hear these things,you take them with a grain of salt,but when you hear the same things from multiple sources, it becomes troubling.

Mason Gray wasn't even going to report so him leaving had less to do with the coach and more to do with himself. I don't recall anything coming out about Matt Paul, the 8th D-man on the depth chart, leaving the team because he was upset?

Nov 29, 2014 17:20:24 GMT -4 eaglefan62 said:

Good points.I am not a hockey expert by any means, but I have been around the game all my life, both playing and coaching.I have coached and coached against some of the local kids who have played at this level. In my humble opinion, this guy has no systems in place, constantly juggles his lines and defensive pairings and I cannot follow his methods with the goaltenders. Every game when I go to the rink, I hear the same complaints about the lack of systems, constant line juggling and goaltending issues. others are noticing the problems as well.As far as what is or is not going on in the dressing room and players who may not be playing up to expectations, that too is a big part of the coaching component. The coach needs to have his finger on the pulse of all these things. If not, he is failing as a coach.

I never understand when fans complain about lack of systems. Do you think he's just rolling the lines and saying nothing else to the players?

It's more likely that his systems aren't working. That could be because his systems are poor, the players aren't executing, or he doesn't feel he has the right personnel to execute them which he could address next month.

I get the complaints about line juggling because it's been all over the place but to be honest I couldn't give a good suggestion for line combinations lol I think Darcy coming back hasn't helped that at all because there's just too many top 6 guys but not enough quality forwards to have them on 3 separate lines.

I don't get the goalie complaints from a coaching standpoint, it's the 1 complaint on the GM side I can understand. I know some wanted Sullivan to get starts but he's not a starter. I know it's frustrating to watch Brassard but he still gives CB the best chance to win. I don't think any of us expected him to be as bad as he's been but it's not like Sullivan is a young goalie that has a chance of being a stellar starter, he's a 19 year old that can provide decent backup minutes but the more he plays the more he's exposed.

The coach needs to be able to motivate the players but the players also need to motivate each other. Other than Farrell, I don't see much leadership on this team right now from a players standpoint. You'd hope your overagers & 19 year olds would do that for you but Darcy & Brassard have under performed the most & the 19 year olds are fringe players.

If CB is in the same place this time next year, you might have a compelling argument that I could get behind but right now it seems like an impatient/panic move to even suggest Dumont should be fired as the coach.

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So is Cape Breton actually going for it this year? Lots of rumors of a major deal with Baie Comeau.

[emerz]

Nov 29, 2014 21:55:59 GMT -4 @rocketfan2012 said:

So is Cape Breton actually going for it this year? Lots of rumors of a major deal with Baie Comeau.

I was reading some of that too, and I hope not at the price being thrown around (1st, Dubois, Bell, Brassard I think) for (Cadorette, Gregoire) maybe if we weren't 16th in the league I wouldn't mind sending Dubois in a big trade like that...

[mooseinfo]

Maybe thats why Cadorette had a few stinkers of late, practicing for his new team.

[gocapebreton]

I am well aware that coach Dumont is more knowledgeable about the game of hockey than myself, and with all respect more than most of the posters. But he also should be, as he earns his living from it. That being said, I personally do not actually see him as an outstanding GM. With regards to trading Roy, most GM's would have received the same return for a highly rated 1st overall.  As we all know, a select few actually make it to promising careers in the NHL. It is very early on, but I can see Dubois with that potential. It is for that reason that I would have him untouchable, unless there is someone in his camp who wants out of Cape Breton. I see Dubois as a top six forward next year, even this year, little alone in his 18 and 19 year old season. We have paid a high price, on a couple of occasions, over the years to go for it. If this trade rumour is true, I believe that it will be a mistake for Cape Breton. We will gain a top forward, but we will also lose a top six forward for next year. I like the Halifax method of building from within with your drafts and adding a few fillers along the way. Granted, they did get lucky with a couple of potential superstars.