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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 1, 2014 23:23:34 GMT -4
It was, but to avoid the distraction of trade talks for the players, there is a freeze on moving players playing in the WJHC until after the tournament is over. I'm not sure if it's an"official rule", or just an agreed upon observance, but it's been in place a few years (that Luongo deal was 15 years ago...) Its been 15 years wow, my memory isn't as bad as I thought. I am sure u would get the "rumour" stuff happening even if they don't announce it officially. If they don't trade Fucale, they might as well keep the team as it is and just go with it. I was thinking if they dont trade Ehlers they may as well keep team as is to win more. If Ehlers is traded then may as well cash in. I would expect them to be less picky for Fucale return then, maybe Quebec gives Brassard and lower picks or/and players they can afford.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Dec 2, 2014 7:48:38 GMT -4
It is an unwritten rule. Only recent occasion I remember a WHJC player trade was announced before the end of the tournament was when Gabriel Bourque was traded to Moncton in 2010. The deal was announced a couple of days before the tournament started if I remember correctly. Halifax avoided releasing trades before Xmas in the past. Letting players enjoy the break first. I believe Russell stuck with that so LIKELY even before tourney we wont know. Of course Quebec teams tend to not care. When it is announced is beside the point. If he is traded in this window then Saturday will be his last game as a Moose at Scotiabank Center. Last year the Moose played a game at Chicoutimi and everyone there knew that Hudon was playing his last game as a Sag. It was at rumor stage but they treated it (fans and reporters) as the end of his career there. That kind of rumor is hard to keep under wraps. And that may be just the thing to mess with Fucale's focus at the WJC but thats the way junior hockey goes when it involves that level of player.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Dec 2, 2014 7:57:04 GMT -4
Also one other point is it does not matter the rule or what the agreement is on trades involving players at the WJC - IF Cam is moving Zach he will need to also be getting a goalie in here that can really take the reigns. Since that "rule" if it exists does not apply to all other players traded - aside from the holiday trading freeze - would expect he would want that new goalie in place in time for the post Christmas / games ---
So we will be able to read between the lines what his intention is by what pieces shuffle. Jacob Dempsey will not be it. They need a goalie. The entire league will not be waiting for its handful of junior players to finish playing. Teams will be active well before the 5th and 6th of Janvier.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 2, 2014 11:09:10 GMT -4
Also one other point is it does not matter the rule or what the agreement is on trades involving players at the WJC - IF Cam is moving Zach he will need to also be getting a goalie in here that can really take the reigns. Since that "rule" if it exists does not apply to all other players traded - aside from the holiday trading freeze - would expect he would want that new goalie in place in time for the post Christmas / games --- So we will be able to read between the lines what his intention is by what pieces shuffle. Jacob Dempsey will not be it. They need a goalie. The entire league will not be waiting for its handful of junior players to finish playing. Teams will be active well before the 5th and 6th of Janvier. I am not sure what you mean but if the trade waits until later Halifax is not going to get the goalie return before the trade is official. I doubt it would be a separate trade. Resop is going to be the goalie when Fucale is away just like the start of the year.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 2, 2014 11:35:43 GMT -4
I am pretty sure the Daniel Sparre trade was announced on Christmas Eve. I remember because I was in CB with an old dial-up service that I was struggling with lol.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Dec 2, 2014 12:00:16 GMT -4
Also one other point is it does not matter the rule or what the agreement is on trades involving players at the WJC - IF Cam is moving Zach he will need to also be getting a goalie in here that can really take the reigns. Since that "rule" if it exists does not apply to all other players traded - aside from the holiday trading freeze - would expect he would want that new goalie in place in time for the post Christmas / games --- So we will be able to read between the lines what his intention is by what pieces shuffle. Jacob Dempsey will not be it. They need a goalie. The entire league will not be waiting for its handful of junior players to finish playing. Teams will be active well before the 5th and 6th of Janvier. I am not sure what you mean but if the trade waits until later Halifax is not going to get the goalie return before the trade is official. I doubt it would be a separate trade. Resop is going to be the goalie when Fucale is away just like the start of the year. Let me clear it up for u. The trade may get made and not become official until the appropriate time. But the Fucale trade may be Fucale for draft picks or for prospects. There may be another trade to bring in a goalie. I doubt Fucale will be traded straight up for a goalie that can come in and play now. So they will still need to make a trade for a ready now goalie. They cant wait to announce all trades at once. If you see deck chairs moving then u will know by which ones move what has happened. The Moose will not go the rest of the way with Resop/Dempsey...someone else will come in from somewhere for January-March.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Dec 2, 2014 12:09:37 GMT -4
I'm not sold that were dealing Fucale, the goalie market isn't very strong trying to think were we could get another experienced goalie from, that won't cost us a fortune? I'm almost positive we aren't dealing Ehlers or Gadoury but stranger things have happened; I wouldn't be shocked if we deal Murphy. Also I'm in the States for Christmas anyone know if you can Watch Team Canada's games online?
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 2, 2014 12:24:42 GMT -4
I am not sure what you mean but if the trade waits until later Halifax is not going to get the goalie return before the trade is official. I doubt it would be a separate trade. Resop is going to be the goalie when Fucale is away just like the start of the year. Let me clear it up for u. The trade may get made and not become official until the appropriate time. But the Fucale trade may be Fucale for draft picks or for prospects. There may be another trade to bring in a goalie. I doubt Fucale will be traded straight up for a goalie that can come in and play now. So they will still need to make a trade for a ready now goalie. They cant wait to announce all trades at once. If you see deck chairs moving then u will know by which ones move what has happened. The Moose will not go the rest of the way with Resop/Dempsey...someone else will come in from somewhere for January-March. There are not many teams for Fucale and I see it as even less likely they trade with Halifax and a goalie does not come back. The teams the Moose likely trade with all have goalies that would be starters on the Moose. Could they trade with a third team to make room for Fucale, perhaps but that means Halifax has to go to another team too and pay more. So now a 2 team trade is now 4 teams. Pretty rare situation especially considering the teams he would go to have goalies splitting duty and no clear starter. The trade could be done on the 22 Dec before the tourney starts, if Russell saw a need to have someone other than Resop for a handful of games. I question why Russell would care about a few games since the team would be losing anyway with guys away for WJC.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Dec 2, 2014 12:34:40 GMT -4
I am not sure what you mean but if the trade waits until later Halifax is not going to get the goalie return before the trade is official. I doubt it would be a separate trade. Resop is going to be the goalie when Fucale is away just like the start of the year. Let me clear it up for u. The trade may get made and not become official until the appropriate time. But the Fucale trade may be Fucale for draft picks or for prospects. There may be another trade to bring in a goalie. I doubt Fucale will be traded straight up for a goalie that can come in and play now. So they will still need to make a trade for a ready now goalie. They cant wait to announce all trades at once. If you see deck chairs moving then u will know by which ones move what has happened. The Moose will not go the rest of the way with Resop/Dempsey...someone else will come in from somewhere for January-March. I guess the real question is - who's really in the market for a goalie? Who's out? Baie Comeau might sell. If not they have Cadorette. Either way, not in the market Gatineau already added Whitney If Saint John deals Auger, I can't see them buying. If they don't trade him, they have no need to Moncton has Dubeau, who hasn't been great, but too many hole to make a good run at it, IMO. If I were them, I'd start trying to cash in on some assets for next year Charlottletown will stick with McDonald, they're a team built for next year Rimouski will likely stick with Desrosiers Sherbrooke isn't close enough to spend that heavily, I don't think, and they have two good young goalies in Bureau (18) and Fitzpatrick (16). Another team built for next year who potentially have their goaltending figured out for another 4 years. That's seven of the league's current top nine. That leaves: Quebec, who may have already acquired Auger if you believe CHSB. They are almost certain to acquire someone though Blainville, who have been getting solid goaltending from Montembeault and may not be interested in paying the price a Fucale, Auger or Cadorette would demand. The wildcard is Cape Breton. They are certainly underachieving, but still have the same talent everyone saw in the preseason as a potential contended. Perhaps they look at adding a goaltender, which also frees a space for a 20yo. tl;dr There aren't many options for teams selling top goalies. Supply is greater than demand this year.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Dec 2, 2014 12:49:01 GMT -4
Let me clear it up for u. The trade may get made and not become official until the appropriate time. But the Fucale trade may be Fucale for draft picks or for prospects. There may be another trade to bring in a goalie. I doubt Fucale will be traded straight up for a goalie that can come in and play now. So they will still need to make a trade for a ready now goalie. They cant wait to announce all trades at once. If you see deck chairs moving then u will know by which ones move what has happened. The Moose will not go the rest of the way with Resop/Dempsey...someone else will come in from somewhere for January-March. I guess the real question is - who's really in the market for a goalie? Who's out? Baie Comeau might sell. If not they have Cadorette. Either way, not in the market Gatineau already added Whitney If Saint John deals Auger, I can't see them buying. If they don't trade him, they have no need to Moncton has Dubeau, who hasn't been great, but too many hole to make a good run at it, IMO. If I were them, I'd start trying to cash in on some assets for next year Charlottletown will stick with McDonald, they're a team built for next year Rimouski will likely stick with Desrosiers Sherbrooke isn't close enough to spend that heavily, I don't think, and they have two good young goalies in Bureau (18) and Fitzpatrick (16). Another team built for next year who potentially have their goaltending figured out for another 4 years. That's seven of the league's current top nine. That leaves: Quebec, who may have already acquired Auger if you believe CHSB. They are almost certain to acquire someone though Blainville, who have been getting solid goaltending from Montembeault and may not be interested in paying the price a Fucale, Auger or Cadorette would demand. The wildcard is Cape Breton. They are certainly underachieving, but still have the same talent everyone saw in the preseason as a potential contended. Perhaps they look at adding a goaltender, which also frees a space for a 20yo. tl;dr There aren't many options for teams selling top goalies. Supply is greater than demand this year. Very good post. Two questions - Baie Comeau would they really trust Cadorette again? But they should be at the point that this is last chance for them at this. I really see Fucale as no upgrade on any of those teams. Which leaves Saint John. Saint John has players Halifax would want back. If Auger is gone traded they get a goalie to make them have a hope for this year and if he returns they are in same situation next year more experienced. They need a stromg net presence with all that young energy to suceed - could they be the only destination if he does go? I am like most here. Do not think Fucs is leaving Halifax. If he was the rumblings would already be louder than they are. People would be talking about Saturday being his last game as a Moose....because if he is leaving you may want to keep that in mind this weekend when you go watch him.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Dec 2, 2014 13:05:14 GMT -4
I guess the real question is - who's really in the market for a goalie? Who's out? Baie Comeau might sell. If not they have Cadorette. Either way, not in the market Gatineau already added Whitney If Saint John deals Auger, I can't see them buying. If they don't trade him, they have no need to Moncton has Dubeau, who hasn't been great, but too many hole to make a good run at it, IMO. If I were them, I'd start trying to cash in on some assets for next year Charlottletown will stick with McDonald, they're a team built for next year Rimouski will likely stick with Desrosiers Sherbrooke isn't close enough to spend that heavily, I don't think, and they have two good young goalies in Bureau (18) and Fitzpatrick (16). Another team built for next year who potentially have their goaltending figured out for another 4 years. That's seven of the league's current top nine. That leaves: Quebec, who may have already acquired Auger if you believe CHSB. They are almost certain to acquire someone though Blainville, who have been getting solid goaltending from Montembeault and may not be interested in paying the price a Fucale, Auger or Cadorette would demand. The wildcard is Cape Breton. They are certainly underachieving, but still have the same talent everyone saw in the preseason as a potential contended. Perhaps they look at adding a goaltender, which also frees a space for a 20yo. tl;dr There aren't many options for teams selling top goalies. Supply is greater than demand this year. Very good post. Two questions - Baie Comeau would they really trust Cadorette again? But they should be at the point that this is last chance for them at this. I really see Fucale as no upgrade on any of those teams. Which leaves Saint John. Saint John has players Halifax would want back. If Auger is gone traded they get a goalie to make them have a hope for this year and if he returns they are in same situation next year more experienced. They need a stromg net presence with all that young energy to suceed - could they be the only destination if he does go? I am like most here. Do not think Fucs is leaving Halifax. If he was the rumblings would already be louder than they are. People would be talking about Saturday being his last game as a Moose....because if he is leaving you may want to keep that in mind this weekend when you go watch him. If BC add a goalie, I think it'll be an experienced backup to push Cadorette and give them an option on Cado's off nights. Guys like Eric Brassard or Joe Fleschler come to mind. I think one big reason why the rumblings aren't too loud yet is that Quebec has yet to decide what they're going to do. The Remparts will drive the market. There is one more factor with Saint John: the 2017 Memorial Cup. With the schedule changing to accommodate Ontario hosting the 100th anniversary, the Q will have the tournament in both 2015 and 2017. Saint John has to be among the front runners to land the tournament, and have the opportunity now to sell and build a firm foundation to build that team.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 2, 2014 13:11:55 GMT -4
Most of you are more knowledgeable then myself. In your opinion, what are the chances Fucale plays in the Q next year. That could change teams perspectives of trading for him.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Dec 2, 2014 13:35:06 GMT -4
Most of you are more knowledgeable then myself. In your opinion, what are the chances Fucale plays in the Q next year. That could change teams perspectives of trading for him. Goalies are always harder to judge, but Montreal isn't terribly deep in goal. I'd say he'd most likely play pro.
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Post by midtownmoose on Dec 2, 2014 13:38:56 GMT -4
Let me clear it up for u. The trade may get made and not become official until the appropriate time. But the Fucale trade may be Fucale for draft picks or for prospects. There may be another trade to bring in a goalie. I doubt Fucale will be traded straight up for a goalie that can come in and play now. So they will still need to make a trade for a ready now goalie. They cant wait to announce all trades at once. If you see deck chairs moving then u will know by which ones move what has happened. The Moose will not go the rest of the way with Resop/Dempsey...someone else will come in from somewhere for January-March. I guess the real question is - who's really in the market for a goalie? Who's out? Baie Comeau might sell. If not they have Cadorette. Either way, not in the market Gatineau already added Whitney If Saint John deals Auger, I can't see them buying. If they don't trade him, they have no need to Moncton has Dubeau, who hasn't been great, but too many hole to make a good run at it, IMO. If I were them, I'd start trying to cash in on some assets for next year Charlottletown will stick with McDonald, they're a team built for next year Rimouski will likely stick with Desrosiers Sherbrooke isn't close enough to spend that heavily, I don't think, and they have two good young goalies in Bureau (18) and Fitzpatrick (16). Another team built for next year who potentially have their goaltending figured out for another 4 years. That's seven of the league's current top nine. That leaves: Quebec, who may have already acquired Auger if you believe CHSB. They are almost certain to acquire someone though Blainville, who have been getting solid goaltending from Montembeault and may not be interested in paying the price a Fucale, Auger or Cadorette would demand. Don't think the above teams Quebec and Blainville are allowed to trade with each other as they are now owned by the same company. But sure the boys in Quebec will come up with something.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 2, 2014 15:31:05 GMT -4
I guess the real question is - who's really in the market for a goalie? Who's out? Baie Comeau might sell. If not they have Cadorette. Either way, not in the market Gatineau already added Whitney If Saint John deals Auger, I can't see them buying. If they don't trade him, they have no need to Moncton has Dubeau, who hasn't been great, but too many hole to make a good run at it, IMO. If I were them, I'd start trying to cash in on some assets for next year Charlottletown will stick with McDonald, they're a team built for next year Rimouski will likely stick with Desrosiers Sherbrooke isn't close enough to spend that heavily, I don't think, and they have two good young goalies in Bureau (18) and Fitzpatrick (16). Another team built for next year who potentially have their goaltending figured out for another 4 years. That's seven of the league's current top nine. That leaves: Quebec, who may have already acquired Auger if you believe CHSB. They are almost certain to acquire someone though Blainville, who have been getting solid goaltending from Montembeault and may not be interested in paying the price a Fucale, Auger or Cadorette would demand. Don't think the above teams Quebec and Blainville are allowed to trade with each other as they are now owned by the same company. But sure the boys in Quebec will come up with something. A few things missing. Auger to Quebec, dumping 2 of their overagers they currently have 4. Cost for Auger would likely be the same as Fucale which allows them to keep another 20. SJ, CHA, Mon could all use good backups of some degree. You did not mention CB or CHI both potential teams looking to turn it around with goalie needs.
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