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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2014 14:51:47 GMT -4
He's only been here for 2 years (yesterday) Anyone he brought in via the draft is still 16 or 17 lol they're still very young in their development. Any core players he brought in are still 18 (or younger) and/or still in their first full season with the Eagles. Sullivan - First season in CB Brassard - First season in CB Beaudin - 16 year old rookie Bell - 17 year old Deschamps - First season in CB Lalonde - 17 year old Leveille - First full season in CB MacIntyre - First season in CB Nosella - 19 year old fringe guy Bishop - Here when Dumont got here Boucher - First season in CB Brunelle - 19 year old fringe guy Dubois - 16 year old rookie Farrell - Here when Dumont got here Hinds - Here for a few hours Lazarev - 18 year old Euro Martineau - First year in CB Pelletier - Drafted here when Dumont got here Simard - 18 year old Smith - Fringe Svechnikov - 18 year old rookie Euro Tower - First year in CB He may not have acquired all of them but they've all played under him long enough for them to be his players. A player like Pelletier has regressed from last year much like Darcy. I suppose you can choose to ignore them as statistical anomalies or we can ask the questions of why the development has stalled or regressed for certain individuals. Players like Deschamps and Svechnikov may be in their 1st years but they're not really rookies as they're expected to contribute. And take away the individual players and look at just the team on the ice and there's been a massive change from the second half of last year even though there was not a massive player turnover. If anything there was a mass consensus that we should expect improvement. Now that we're near the basement the reviews of the coaching and management need to happen. Keep trading for tomorrow in this market and eventually the team that enjoys the benefits of any work done today might be playing in a different city.
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Post by Citris on Dec 4, 2014 14:56:43 GMT -4
Does ownership need to step in and take the Coaching position away from Dumont? Cam Russel was Coach/GM and that clearly wasn't working, but when Cam Russel was fired as coach but kept on as GM, it worked out wonderfully for us.
Perhaps a similar situation needs to happen in CB.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 4, 2014 14:58:40 GMT -4
Exactly. It matters not who you might bring in here, if the coach has alienated himself from the players with his poor coaching methods,it isn't going to work. Remember, all or most of these kids have played high level or elite hockey all their lives and they know if the team is being coached properly or not.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2014 15:01:05 GMT -4
Well said. We only have 1 player 19 or older that is a "star" player so lets try not to be so negative and see what happens with the trade deadline. I think the fans of an under performing team are allowed to be negative. Nothing is stopping those complaining about negativity to post their positive comments. I think asking the question now of whether or not coach Dumont can turn this around in time for next season is very fair due to the negative results of his on ice product so far this season combined with his now additions on the blue line and goaltending that have been nothing but a flop. All you need to do is start listing the goalies who have played under him here along with their stats to see why people are negative, and rightfully so.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2014 15:03:32 GMT -4
Does ownership need to step in and take the Coaching position away from Dumont? Cam Russel was Coach/GM and that clearly wasn't working, but when Cam Russel was fired as coach but kept on as GM, it worked out wonderfully for us. Perhaps a similar situation needs to happen in CB. I think that is the only way we really right the ship here. People need to remember that this is not his first go around as a coach. He failed somewhere else first. Nobody is questioning his management as a whole, everyone will have bad deals, but his coaching deserves to be criticized I think.
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Post by prostar on Dec 4, 2014 15:08:17 GMT -4
Well said. We only have 1 player 19 or older that is a "star" player so lets try not to be so negative and see what happens with the trade deadline. I think the fans of an under performing team are allowed to be negative. Nothing is stopping those complaining about negativity to post their positive comments. I think asking the question now of whether or not coach Dumont can turn this around in time for next season is very fair due to the negative results of his on ice product so far this season combined with his now additions on the blue line and goaltending that have been nothing but a flop. All you need to do is start listing the goalies who have played under him here along with their stats to see why people are negative, and rightfully so. OOPPSSS now let's not start on that band wagon again Jesus Bauer I thought you would be over that once and for all. As usual when nothing goes well GEEZ let's just blame the masked men HA! HA! HA! HA! I'm starting to wonder if your not Dumont hiding behind the MR Bauer Poster HA! HA! HA!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2014 15:12:36 GMT -4
I think the fans of an under performing team are allowed to be negative. Nothing is stopping those complaining about negativity to post their positive comments. I think asking the question now of whether or not coach Dumont can turn this around in time for next season is very fair due to the negative results of his on ice product so far this season combined with his now additions on the blue line and goaltending that have been nothing but a flop. All you need to do is start listing the goalies who have played under him here along with their stats to see why people are negative, and rightfully so. OOPPSSS now let's not start on that band wagon again Jesus Bauer I thought you would be over that once and for all. As usual when nothing goes well GEEZ let's just blame the masked men HA! HA! HA! HA! I'm starting to wonder if your not Dumont hiding behind the MR Bauer Poster HA! HA! HA! Over what? Our league worst goaltending? I believe it should be ackowledged and discussed and at the end of the trade period improved so I suppose we're not over it. Are you going to offer any comments with substance or just try and dictate what others discuss? I'm open to any posts that go over how our goaltending can improve whether it be from internal improvement or an external addition as I believe there is huge improvements that can be made and that we should not accept the 18th ranked goaltending without putting some blame on the actual goaltenders.
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Post by Citris on Dec 4, 2014 15:20:10 GMT -4
OOPPSSS now let's not start on that band wagon again Jesus Bauer I thought you would be over that once and for all. As usual when nothing goes well GEEZ let's just blame the masked men HA! HA! HA! HA! I'm starting to wonder if your not Dumont hiding behind the MR Bauer Poster HA! HA! HA! Over what? Our league worst goaltending? I believe it should be ackowledged and discussed and at the end of the trade period improved so I suppose we're not over it. Are you going to offer any comments with substance or just try and dictate what others discuss? I'm open to any posts that go over how our goaltending can improve whether it be from internal improvement or an external addition as I believe there is huge improvements that can be made and that we should not accept the 18th ranked goaltending without putting some blame on the actual goaltenders. Yes blame needs to go on the goaltenders, but its now a disturbing trend where there's goaltenders under-performing in CB. Bureau didn't even look like he belonged in Major Junior when he played for you guys, and now he's got one of the leagues better records in Sherbrooke. Brassard is not a bad goalie either, maybe not the greatest, but certainly much better than his current performance. Do you need a goalie coach?
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Post by looneytunes on Dec 4, 2014 15:25:20 GMT -4
Does ownership need to step in and take the Coaching position away from Dumont? Cam Russel was Coach/GM and that clearly wasn't working, but when Cam Russel was fired as coach but kept on as GM, it worked out wonderfully for us. Perhaps a similar situation needs to happen in CB. Yes. He is not going to fire himself
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 4, 2014 15:26:48 GMT -4
Over what? Our league worst goaltending? I believe it should be ackowledged and discussed and at the end of the trade period improved so I suppose we're not over it. Are you going to offer any comments with substance or just try and dictate what others discuss? I'm open to any posts that go over how our goaltending can improve whether it be from internal improvement or an external addition as I believe there is huge improvements that can be made and that we should not accept the 18th ranked goaltending without putting some blame on the actual goaltenders. Yes blame needs to go on the goaltenders, but its now a disturbing trend where there's goaltenders under-performing in CB. Bureau didn't even look like he belonged in Major Junior when he played for you guys, and now he's got one of the leagues better records in Sherbrooke. Brassard is not a bad goalie either, maybe not the greatest, but certainly much better than his current performance. Do you need a goalie coach? Yes I think a major change like that would be a good start. Dumont seems to see the opposite in his goaltenders as we do. Bureau, I agree, looked awful. But we kept playing him which made sense as his dad was working with the team. Marchand looked good and we tossed him away before we could really get a good look at him. Fortin came in and played well early and came apart in the playoffs and didnt even return. Sullivan was acquired at 19 to be depth and ended up as our backup but at his best is mediocre. Brassard was supposed to be the sure fire #1 that trumped the 4 above him and if anything has been worse then all of them. It's a concerning trend when you realize all of that has happened in less then 1 year and not 1 player brought in to stabilize the position was in a position to play through next season.
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Post by looneytunes on Dec 4, 2014 15:28:15 GMT -4
Over what? Our league worst goaltending? I believe it should be ackowledged and discussed and at the end of the trade period improved so I suppose we're not over it. Are you going to offer any comments with substance or just try and dictate what others discuss? I'm open to any posts that go over how our goaltending can improve whether it be from internal improvement or an external addition as I believe there is huge improvements that can be made and that we should not accept the 18th ranked goaltending without putting some blame on the actual goaltenders. Yes blame needs to go on the goaltenders, but its now a disturbing trend where there's goaltenders under-performing in CB. Bureau didn't even look like he belonged in Major Junior when he played for you guys, and now he's got one of the leagues better records in Sherbrooke. Brassard is not a bad goalie either, maybe not the greatest, but certainly much better than his current performance. Do you need a goalie coach? We had Gouthro as our goalie coach up until this year. The consensus has been that he was a talented coach. He went on to greener pastures. He was not fired. We have a former guy who coached the Cats now but because the results have not changed I would not blame the goaltender coach. The blame should be allocated to the goalie , defence , and head coach. If you look back it seems no goalie excelled under Dumont. Even with the Miners. He never did have an all-star goalie to work worth but guys that should be average are not even close to that.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 4, 2014 16:07:04 GMT -4
Does ownership need to step in and take the Coaching position away from Dumont? Cam Russel was Coach/GM and that clearly wasn't working, but when Cam Russel was fired as coach but kept on as GM, it worked out wonderfully for us. Perhaps a similar situation needs to happen in CB. Yes. He is not going to fire himself In the Russell case Smith the owner was coaching for part of the situation. Much closer to see and do this. Russell also was not big on travel att. so he was probably happy to get a less scheduled job.
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Post by emerz on Dec 4, 2014 16:16:36 GMT -4
All Darcy did while he was here this year, was bring the puck in the offensive zone, do a circle while protecting the puck and eventually lose the puck.
I have no clue what changed from last year to this year, but it was a disappointment for sure.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:19:17 GMT -4
I hear, from "sources" (billet families) that there aren't many happy players on the team. Dumont constantly changing lines from period to period, the line up from game to game, guys aren't developing any chemistry, bringing in new players all the time, etc. As much as the players are "employees" the Coach / GM has to do some things to keep them happy in order to get the best results. It sounds like he isn't doing anything - just what I'm hearing How much of that is from not winning though? when you win, small problems disappear, when you lose they grow into bigger ones...
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Post by paulyboy on Dec 4, 2014 16:50:26 GMT -4
Agreed, but a culture of discontent breeds into bigger issues - while the team may be young, if they "grow up" in a bad situation, they won't end up winners.
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