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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Jan 28, 2015 6:18:56 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 8:00:34 GMT -4
He's more likely to get drafted. a team can draft him and then have 2 years to decide if they want to sign him.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 28, 2015 8:27:00 GMT -4
He's more likely to get drafted. a team can draft him and then have 2 years to decide if they want to sign him. Isn't it one year for a guy entering his 20 YO season ?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 8:55:48 GMT -4
He's more likely to get drafted. a team can draft him and then have 2 years to decide if they want to sign him. Isn't it one year for a guy entering his 20 YO season ? I think it's 2 years regardless... www.draftsite.com/nhl/rules/However if a team were to draft Sweeney in June, obviously after 1 year they'd realistically have to decide to sign him or not. After a year as an OA you either want him or you don't...
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 28, 2015 9:38:48 GMT -4
Isn't it one year for a guy entering his 20 YO season ? I think it's 2 years regardless... www.draftsite.com/nhl/rules/However if a team were to draft Sweeney in June, obviously after 1 year they'd realistically have to decide to sign him or not. After a year as an OA you either want him or you don't... I didn't read your link ... Sweeney has already been passed over in two drafts, so isn't he signable right now by anybody that wants him ? Like Jevpalovs signed a few days ago ... he was undrafted. If so, why wait to the draft and use a draft pick on him if he is in your sights ? Edit: Now I did read your link ... "If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age."
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 11:00:40 GMT -4
I think it's 2 years regardless... www.draftsite.com/nhl/rules/However if a team were to draft Sweeney in June, obviously after 1 year they'd realistically have to decide to sign him or not. After a year as an OA you either want him or you don't... I didn't read your link ... Sweeney has already been passed over in two drafts, so isn't he signable right now by anybody that wants him ? Like Jevpalovs signed a few days ago ... he was undrafted. If so, why wait to the draft and use a draft pick on him if he is in your sights ? Edit: Now I did read your link ... "If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age." Except for late birthdays, players have 3 years of draft eligibility, it's more for Euros, but that's NA players. Every year there are 19 year olds drafted, Walcott and Andrighetto are recent examples from the Q, in their 3rd year of eligibility.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 28, 2015 11:39:04 GMT -4
Yes, I realize that. But Sweeney is a March birthday and therefore has passed through two NHL drafts undrafted. By the rule from your link, he is now a FA. Anybody can still draft him if they choose to, but why use a pick when you can sign him right now? ... if you are going to target him I mean.
The only reason I could think of is if nobody feels he is ready for pro next year. If they draft him then they can hold him off for a year ... but if they sign him now then they have to spend the money now on a guy maybe they aren't sure of and find a place for him next year.
IMO Sweeny has become one of the best all-around Dmen in the Q. His only knock is that he isn't physical enough and lacks a mean streak ... and I see him now starting to play more physical and little meaner.
The fact that he isn't signed now as an FA sort of says that he will be back next year.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 12:06:41 GMT -4
Yes, I realize that. But Sweeney is a March birthday and therefore has passed through two NHL drafts undrafted. By the rule from your link, he is now a FA. Anybody can still draft him if they choose to, but why use a pick when you can sign him right now? ... if you are going to target him I mean. The only reason I could think of is if nobody feels he is ready for pro next year. If they draft him then they can hold him off for a year ... but if they sign him now then they have to spend the money now on a guy maybe they aren't sure of and find a place for him next year. IMO Sweeny has become one of the best all-around Dmen in the Q. His only knock is that he isn't physical enough and lacks a mean streak ... and I see him now starting to play more physical and little meaner. The fact that he isn't signed now as an FA sort of says that he will be back next year. The 2 years is to get a player signed.
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 28, 2015 12:30:30 GMT -4
Yes, I realize that. But Sweeney is a March birthday and therefore has passed through two NHL drafts undrafted. By the rule from your link, he is now a FA. Anybody can still draft him if they choose to, but why use a pick when you can sign him right now? ... if you are going to target him I mean. The only reason I could think of is if nobody feels he is ready for pro next year. If they draft him then they can hold him off for a year ... but if they sign him now then they have to spend the money now on a guy maybe they aren't sure of and find a place for him next year. IMO Sweeny has become one of the best all-around Dmen in the Q. His only knock is that he isn't physical enough and lacks a mean streak ... and I see him now starting to play more physical and little meaner. The fact that he isn't signed now as an FA sort of says that he will be back next year. The 2 years is to get a player signed. That isn't what the rule you provided says.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 13:34:18 GMT -4
The 2 years is to get a player signed. That isn't what the rule you provided says. You must be reading it incorrectly, Sweeney can't be signed as a FA and he is eligible for the 2015 draft.
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Post by catnut on Jan 28, 2015 13:55:04 GMT -4
"If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age"
Looks exactly like what Steve says.
Players that are drafted at age 20 have to be signed within a year.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 14:09:57 GMT -4
"If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age" Looks exactly like what Steve says. Players that are drafted at age 20 have to be signed within a year. I must have put the wrong link then...sorry... www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377Entry Draft Eligibility All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except: (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out; (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts; (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement; (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20
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Post by SteveUL on Jan 28, 2015 14:28:21 GMT -4
"If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age" Looks exactly like what Steve says. Players that are drafted at age 20 have to be signed within a year. I must have put the wrong link then...sorry... www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377Entry Draft Eligibility All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except: (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out; (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts; (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement; (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20 Thats all fine ... don't have any problem with that. But if Tkachev had played the full year in Moncton last year ... he could sign with Edmonton without being drafted. That "passed over in two NHL drafts" has been a rule for as long as I can remember (unless the rule has been removed in recent years) ... and Sweeney fits that description. He is still eligible for the draft ... but also eligible to a FA.
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Post by jimmy on Jan 28, 2015 15:36:11 GMT -4
I must have put the wrong link then...sorry... www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377Entry Draft Eligibility All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except: (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out; (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts; (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement; (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20 Thats all fine ... don't have any problem with that. But if Tkachev had played the full year in Moncton last year ... he could sign with Edmonton without being drafted. That "passed over in two NHL drafts" has been a rule for as long as I can remember (unless the rule has been removed in recent years) ... and Sweeney fits that description. He is still eligible for the draft ... but also eligible to a FA. I think a junior aged player needs to sign with an NHL team by a certain date as an FA ... once that date passes they have to go back in the next draft ... with Tkachev, I recall the Oilers had until a certain date to make a decision on him, or he returned to the draft. I vaguely recall similar scenarios in the past with NA players ... Don't think you have to be passed over twice either ... although maybe players who have been passed over twice can sign as FAs at any time?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 28, 2015 16:58:40 GMT -4
I must have put the wrong link then...sorry... www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377Entry Draft Eligibility All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except: (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out; (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts; (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement; (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20 Thats all fine ... don't have any problem with that. But if Tkachev had played the full year in Moncton last year ... he could sign with Edmonton without being drafted. That "passed over in two NHL drafts" has been a rule for as long as I can remember (unless the rule has been removed in recent years) ... and Sweeney fits that description. He is still eligible for the draft ... but also eligible to a FA. NA players that go undrafted have a window until opening night of the NHL(or it might be October 1st) to sign as a FA with an NHL team. This is what Tkachev would have done had he played all year in 13-+14 with the Wildcats. Euros it's different, I think they need to be passed over a couple of times or be a certain age...
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