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Post by joehockey on Jul 29, 2015 10:50:37 GMT -4
So Dawe is not coming to camp this year. Not a huge surprise. Anyone else that is confirmed as coming or not?
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Post by joehockey on Jul 29, 2015 11:25:42 GMT -4
That raises a question ... when a guy commits to an NCAA school, does that mean that he has made the team ? I would suggest that it doesn't. NCAA schools recruit just like anybody else and will have a stable of committed players to select a team from. I doubt they have a 50 man protected list, but having 30 or so players is probably the norm. But that leaves certain guys on the outside, and I expect that if they don't make the team after a year or two then they lose their scholarship, and new recruits come along and bump you out. For goaltenders, that must be even more difficult as there are only 2 spots per year, with perhaps one extra spot for a 3rd stringer. But the 3rd stringer will only play if #1 and #2 play poorly or suffer injury. Being a 3rd stringer does nothing to get you noticed by scouts. It would depend on the ages of #1 and #2 if #3 would ever become a full roster player. I'm just speculating and have no idea on how it works. That isn't a whole lot different that the CHL. We have 55 man lists (+ special lists) and keep 22-24 as a roster, and sub in a handful of others through the year due to injury or promotion, or tryout. Some of those guys on our lists never play a game. However, many on the list do get to play some, and with a 68 game regular season, plus pre-season, plus playoffs, plus Mem Cup, a player could play 100+ games in a season. Lots of opportunity to get into games to get your chance. I'll always tell a kid to take the education root if it is being offered to him ... but is that risk there that you could lose that scholarship if you aren't making headway into the lineup ? Could you lose your scholarship because a better crop of 4th liners comes along the following year ? Not only does the player have to make the team, he has to meet the admission requirements. Ivy League schools like Harvard likely won't make exceptions with a B+ student just because they're committed to the school's hockey team. Yeah, look at someone like Vatrano a few years ago who enrolled in the school to only be kicked out because he didn't qualify. There is also the factor that there are only 18 scholarships for a roster of usually around 27 guys meaning most have to share a scholarship for at least a few years (obviously not if you are an Eichel or Hanifin etc.) and there is no guarantee that you would ever get a full scholarship. Obviously any help is good for schooling but the Q gives money to go to school too so I think the difference in having education paid for is overblown to some degree especially if you are talking about a school like Maine that may not be better than the local schools in Canada with regard to quality of education. The Ivy League is different because of the quality of schools but also because they don't give scholarships for athletics but instead give aid based on the persons ability to pay (I think they look at their parent's income) and so you may not get much help when you go there if you come from a family with money. Overall, I think the NCAA is a good route but I think it sometimes gets overblown based on the fact that you likely will still have to pay to go to school even if you play hockey.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 29, 2015 11:49:52 GMT -4
Not only does the player have to make the team, he has to meet the admission requirements. Ivy League schools like Harvard likely won't make exceptions with a B+ student just because they're committed to the school's hockey team. Yeah, look at someone like Vatrano a few years ago who enrolled in the school to only be kicked out because he didn't qualify. There is also the factor that there are only 18 scholarships for a roster of usually around 27 guys meaning most have to share a scholarship for at least a few years (obviously not if you are an Eichel or Hanifin etc.) and there is no guarantee that you would ever get a full scholarship. Obviously any help is good for schooling but the Q gives money to go to school too so I think the difference in having education paid for is overblown to some degree especially if you are talking about a school like Maine that may not be better than the local schools in Canada with regard to quality of education. The Ivy League is different because of the quality of schools but also because they don't give scholarships for athletics but instead give aid based on the persons ability to pay (I think they look at their parent's income) and so you may not get much help when you go there if you come from a family with money. Overall, I think the NCAA is a good route but I think it sometimes gets overblown based on the fact that you likely will still have to pay to go to school even if you play hockey. You also have to factor in the cost of education in Canada vs US. Any degree in the Us with lodging costs 35-40 k/year, in Canada most schools you can do it for under $20,000 all inclusive. when you factor in what Q teams kick in and that a lot of Q players get money for playing hockey in university, they get it as good or better than NCAA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:56:58 GMT -4
So Dawe is not coming to camp this year. Not a huge surprise. Anyone else that is confirmed as coming or not? No room for him this season. Smart decision by Dawe. I have a strong feeling we'll see him with the Wildcats in 2017/2018.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 5:28:24 GMT -4
August trading/waiver period starts today at 10am. What will the Wildcats do?
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Aug 1, 2015 7:03:26 GMT -4
August trading/waiver period starts today at 10am. What will the Wildcats do? Not a thing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 21:19:37 GMT -4
Conor Garland playing on a line with Auston Matthews and Jack Roslovic at the U.S. World Junior Camp in Lake Placid. Not bad.
Chad Krys teamed up Johnathan MacLeod. We can keep dreaming.
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Post by Penguins23® on Aug 4, 2015 9:30:17 GMT -4
Conor Garland playing on a line with Auston Matthews and Jack Roslovic at the U.S. World Junior Camp in Lake Placid. Not bad. Chad Krys teamed up Johnathan MacLeod. We can keep dreaming. Garland was let go from camp. They had some cuts.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 4, 2015 16:37:26 GMT -4
The top storylines in WC camp will be who shows up...
In nets they have 13 guys on the list, will Waite Petruzzelli Janzen and Jurusik all show up?
How about "NCAA" skaters: Krys McInnis RJ Murphy O'Leary Crossman DeStefani? If 3-4 of those guys show up it will be a different team, otherwise it's likely 4th to 6th battling Bathurst and Halifax.
MacLeod and Gendron can probably be crossed off. Edit: Jurusik can probably be crossed off also, he recently committed to Wisconsin.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 5, 2015 9:41:05 GMT -4
Shannon said 55 players were coming to camp, by my count 52 are locks and a bunch are question marks...
Player NHL Pos DOB Height Weight Shoots Birthplace Johnson, Stephen C 01/26/1995 5'10" 174 R Moncton, NB Beaton, Bronson C 02/06/1995 6'01" 195 R Springhill, NS Zilbert, Noah RW 07/04/1995 5'09" 185 R Fredericton, NB Barbashev, Ivan STL C 12/14/1995 6'01" 194 L Moscow, Russia AHL Garland, Conor ARI RW 03/11/1996 5'08" 168 R Scituate, MA, USA Smith, Will LW 03/13/1996 5'10" 181 L East Longmeadow, MA, USA Curtis, Benji RW 03/26/1996 5'11" 185 L Fredericton, NB Gendron, Miles LW 06/28/1996 6'02" 175 NCAA MacEwen, Zack C 07/08/1996 6'04" 195 Charlottetown, PE Tibbo, Kyle LW 08/09/1996 5'10" 187 L St. John's, NL Wiederer, Manuel C 11/21/1996 6'00" 157 Germany Cormier, Lane RW 02/11/1997 6'01" 197 R Hopewell, NS Jacob, Alexandre RW 02/20/1997 5'07" 142 R Dieppe, NB Léger, Éric C 04/30/1997 5'10" 183 L Lasalle, QC Askew, Cameron C 05/13/1997 6'02" 204 R Boston, MA, USA Klima, Kelly RW 06/05/1997 5'09" 170 Tampa, FL, USA Klima, Kevin C 06/05/1997 5'09" 170 Tampa, FL Conrad, Liam C 10/15/1997 5'10" 175 L Moncton, NB Bower, William C 11/07/1997 6'00" 180 R Saint John , NB O'Leary, Michael LW 01/01/1998 6'01" 161 Halifax, NS NCAA? Murphy, Liam C 01/20/1998 6'00" 213 L Killingworth, CT, USA Wheatley, Dylan LW 03/16/1998 6'02" 185 Charlottetown, PE Corson, Noah C 03/17/1998 5'10" 144 L Sherbrooke, QC Koopman, Matt C 05/01/1998 5'09" 153 NCAA Hambly, Alex RW 06/18/1998 5'08" 175 Charlottetown, PE Archibald, Noah C 06/30/1998 5'11" 163 R Havelock, NB Murphy, RJ C 10/02/1998 6'03" 170 NCAA Dawe, Adam C 01/18/1999 5'05" 129 Gander, NF DeStefani, Ethan RW 02/16/1999 6'02" 173 Bedford, NH, USA NCAA Crossman, Ethan LW 03/13/1999 5'09" 155 Sackville, NB NCAA McKenna, Jeremy C 04/20/1999 5'07" 154 Summerside, PE D'Arnall, Doug C 04/20/1999 5'10" 148 Mineville, NS MacArthur, Brodie C 04/23/1999 5'09" 133 Summerside, PE Cyr, Mika C 07/14/1999 5'07" 153 Ste-Anne-de-Mad, NB Player NHL Pos DOB Height Weight Shoots Birthplace Florentino, Anthony D 01/30/1995 6'01" 205 NCAA Sweeney, Jacob D 03/01/1995 6'04" 215 L Québec, QC Johnston, Garrett D 05/06/1995 6'01" 193 L Winnipeg, MB trade? Poirier, Michael D 08/31/1995 6'01" 175 R Moncton, NB Klebanskyj, Matthew D 03/31/1996 6'03" 207 L Pierrefonds, QC Mann, Alexander D 04/10/1996 6'00" 180 L Lunnenburgh, NS Wasner, Brandon D 05/22/1996 6'01" 195 New Lowell, ON MacLeod, Johnathan D 06/02/1996 6'02" 185 Malatesta, Zachary D 07/31/1996 5'09" 191 L Wilmington, MA, USA Dominie, Shayne D 02/04/1997 6'03" 216 L HR Breton, NL Holwell, Adam D 03/08/1997 6'00" 191 L St.John's, NL Glassl, Maximilian D 03/13/1997 6'02" 198 Germany Cormier, Sébastien D 03/24/1997 5'11" 168 R Stratford, PE Krys, Chad D 04/10/1998 5'10" 160 NCAA Grenier, Dawson D 05/26/1998 5'11" 175 Charlottetown, PE McInnis, Luke D 07/29/1998 5'10" 165 NCAA Tesink, Marcus D 08/05/1998 5'10" 150 L Saint John, NB Lavoie, Alex D 02/08/1999 5'10" 164 St-Basile, NB Gignac, Kevin D 03/04/1999 5'11" 155 St-Augustin, QC Aspirot, Jonathan D 05/16/1999 5'11" 182 Mascouche, QC Player NHL Pos DOB Height Weight Catches Birthplace Fortin, Zachary G 03/25/1995 6'01" 160 L St-Jérôme, QC Kelly, Dillan G 06/07/1996 6'02" 180 Regina, SK Janzen, Chris G 11/22/1996 6'00" 178 St.Catharines, ON Rioux, Jason G 12/05/1996 5'11" 182 L Rivière-du-Loup, QC Dupré, Sébastien G 04/04/1997 5'09" 186 Ste-Anne-de-Sorel, QC Jurusik, Matthew G 05/01/1997 6'01" 190 Hinsdale, IL, USA NCAA? Talbot-Tassi, Hugo G 07/06/1997 6'02" 170 L Mascouche, QC Ferguson, Justin G 08/06/1997 6'02" 165 Lowell, MA, USA Querry, Samy G 10/10/1998 6'02" 180 Campbellton, NB Grant, Jack G 01/18/1999 5'10" 144 Fredericton, NB Petruzzelli, Keith G 02/09/1999 6'05" 160 Wilbraham, MA, USA NCAA? Waite, Matthew G 08/17/1999 5'10" 146 Sherbrooke, QC NCAA?
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Post by joehockey on Aug 5, 2015 10:36:49 GMT -4
So assuming that the list above is correct and the 55 players coming are all on the list then there are only 11 players not coming because by my count there are 66 players there.
So if you cut out the players unlikely to report: Barbashev, Gendron, Koopman, RJ Murphy, Dawe, Florentino, Poirier (can't see him coming to camp since he is a 20 and has never played in the Q and th cats are bringing in 5 others who have), Macleod, Krys, McInnis, Jurusik
There may be some differences but I hunk that is more than likely the players who are not coming. I think Crossman will show from what we've heard but likely pay his own way and I wouldn't be surprised if O'Leary comes for a bit even if he doesn't intend to stay. I'd be surprised if Petruzzelli shows but it would be good if he does. I wonder if the cats are only going to bring in the NCAA kids a bit later in camp like they did before so they can see them with a smaller group or if they intend for them to come at the start of camp.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Aug 5, 2015 10:50:48 GMT -4
The top storylines in WC camp will be who shows up... In nets they have 13 guys on the list, will Waite Petruzzelli Janzen and Jurusik all show up? How about "NCAA" skaters: Krys McInnis RJ Murphy O'Leary Crossman DeStefani? If 3-4 of those guys show up it will be a different team, otherwise it's likely 4th to 6th battling Bathurst and Halifax. MacLeod and Gendron can probably be crossed off. Edit: Jurusik can probably be crossed off also, he recently committed to Wisconsin. Pretty sure Waite is going to be in camp and as you mentioned unlikely for Jurusik. Haven't heard anything about the other two guys. In fact we've really heard nothing about any of the question marks so far. I would imagine news will start trickling in fairly soon.
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Post by Penguins23® on Aug 5, 2015 11:46:13 GMT -4
So assuming that the list above is correct and the 55 players coming are all on the list then there are only 11 players not coming because by my count there are 66 players there. So if you cut out the players unlikely to report: Barbashev, Gendron, Koopman, RJ Murphy, Dawe, Florentino, Poirier (can't see him coming to camp since he is a 20 and has never played in the Q and th cats are bringing in 5 others who have), Macleod, Krys, McInnis, Jurusik There may be some differences but I hunk that is more than likely the players who are not coming. I think Crossman will show from what we've heard but likely pay his own way and I wouldn't be surprised if O'Leary comes for a bit even if he doesn't intend to stay. I'd be surprised if Petruzzelli shows but it would be good if he does. I wonder if the cats are only going to bring in the NCAA kids a bit later in camp like they did before so they can see them with a smaller group or if they intend for them to come at the start of camp. Why wouldn't Poirier come? It's free icetime and he lives in Moncton. It will get him prepared for Jr.A season.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 5, 2015 11:48:47 GMT -4
So assuming that the list above is correct and the 55 players coming are all on the list then there are only 11 players not coming because by my count there are 66 players there. So if you cut out the players unlikely to report: Barbashev, Gendron, Koopman, RJ Murphy, Dawe, Florentino, Poirier (can't see him coming to camp since he is a 20 and has never played in the Q and th cats are bringing in 5 others who have), Macleod, Krys, McInnis, Jurusik There may be some differences but I hunk that is more than likely the players who are not coming. I think Crossman will show from what we've heard but likely pay his own way and I wouldn't be surprised if O'Leary comes for a bit even if he doesn't intend to stay. I'd be surprised if Petruzzelli shows but it would be good if he does. I wonder if the cats are only going to bring in the NCAA kids a bit later in camp like they did before so they can see them with a smaller group or if they intend for them to come at the start of camp. Why wouldn't Poirier come? It's free icetime and he lives in Moncton. It will get him prepared for Jr.A season. Being an OA I would be surprised if the Cats have not dropped him from their list, the league might have just missed him while removing others. Another reason I say that, is that even before FA invites, they had too many players listed on the Q site after the draft.
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