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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2015 7:07:34 GMT -4
He wasn't looking great before the injury either. What would he be looking great at .... Sitting in the stands recovering from injury ?? Give the kid a chance! The bleeding hearts police to the defense! Having been drafted in the 2nd round, I'm sure he'll get many chances. In terms of being a good pick, you can't say he's looked promising.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 3, 2015 10:14:46 GMT -4
What would he be looking great at .... Sitting in the stands recovering from injury ?? Give the kid a chance! The bleeding hearts police to the defense! Having been drafted in the 2nd round, I'm sure he'll get many chances. In terms of being a good pick, you can't say he's looked promising. I have never seen the kid play. How many times have you actually seen him play ? The regular season game he dressed for in Moncton (vs Rim), he never saw the ice. I didn't see him in pre-season. I didn't see the final game in Halifax. What have you actually seen ? I think you are really jumping the gun on this. Just another shot at Shannon I guess. There was no reason for you to even bring this topic up unless it was your need to post Wildcat hate.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2015 10:33:53 GMT -4
The bleeding hearts police to the defense! Having been drafted in the 2nd round, I'm sure he'll get many chances. In terms of being a good pick, you can't say he's looked promising. I have never seen the kid play. How many times have you actually seen him play ? The regular season game he dressed for in Moncton (vs Rim), he never saw the ice. I didn't see him in pre-season. I didn't see the final game in Halifax. What have you actually seen ? I think you are really jumping the gun on this. Just another shot at Shannon I guess. There was no reason for you to even bring this topic up unless it was your need to post Wildcat hate. ...and the pom poms are out! You should put on your tights and bring them to the games. He was a guy that many scouts felt was drafted way too early, funny that you say the same thing about a lot of Bathurst picks over the years but you get offended if it's a WC pick...funny how that works. I don't hate the Wildcats, on the contrary I'd like to see them be better...better at drafting, better at building a contender. I don't see the point of trading a 3rd and a 4th rounder to move up and draft a kid most had in rounds 6-8. To answer your question, I saw him twice in preseason, he didn't do much against a team of PEI rookies and he got banged around and looked out of place vs veterans. To me he didn't look any better than most undrafted FA's in camp, which is not good for a 2nd round pick. The scouts I spoke to said he did not stand out in MAAA either...another bad sign. Obviously he still has time, just stating the facts, which you seem to not want to face.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 3, 2015 11:12:09 GMT -4
I have never seen the kid play. How many times have you actually seen him play ? The regular season game he dressed for in Moncton (vs Rim), he never saw the ice. I didn't see him in pre-season. I didn't see the final game in Halifax. What have you actually seen ? I think you are really jumping the gun on this. Just another shot at Shannon I guess. There was no reason for you to even bring this topic up unless it was your need to post Wildcat hate. ...and the pom poms are out! You should put on your tights and bring them to the games. He was a guy that many scouts felt was drafted way too early, funny that you say the same thing about a lot of Bathurst picks over the years but you get offended if it's a WC pick...funny how that works. I don't hate the Wildcats, on the contrary I'd like to see them be better...better at drafting, better at building a contender. I don't see the point of trading a 3rd and a 4th rounder to move up and draft a kid most had in rounds 6-8. To answer your question, I saw him twice in preseason, he didn't do much against a team of PEI rookies and he got banged around and looked out of place vs veterans. To me he didn't look any better than most undrafted FA's in camp, which is not good for a 2nd round pick. The scouts I spoke to said he did not stand out in MAAA either...another bad sign. Obviously he still has time, just stating the facts, which you seem to not want to face. Ok great ... you saw him in pre-season. I'm all for facts ... but opinions aren't facts. I'm just wondering why you brought it up now when you could have brought it up when he joined the team after Xmas. In Bathurst players I have criticized ... i've never criticized any player before I have seen him play several games in the Q. And that is missing here. I'm not defending Corson because I have never seen him play ... and know nothing about him. Liam Murphy looked unimpressive in the early going of the season ... took a few months to get in decent shape and adjust to the speed of the game. After that we were seeing steady improvement until he was injured. I'd prefer to see Corson get that same sort of adjustment time before he is tossed away by anybody. He should come to camp in better shape than most rookies this time around. Maybe he won't work out ... fine ... bitch about it then and bring it up several times per year like you do with everything else that doesn't work out. But right now you are jumping the gun ... with opinion ... and zero facts. I just don't see why this became a topic.
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Post by leftwinglock on Jun 3, 2015 11:22:39 GMT -4
...and the pom poms are out! You should put on your tights and bring them to the games. He was a guy that many scouts felt was drafted way too early, funny that you say the same thing about a lot of Bathurst picks over the years but you get offended if it's a WC pick...funny how that works. I don't hate the Wildcats, on the contrary I'd like to see them be better...better at drafting, better at building a contender. I don't see the point of trading a 3rd and a 4th rounder to move up and draft a kid most had in rounds 6-8. To answer your question, I saw him twice in preseason, he didn't do much against a team of PEI rookies and he got banged around and looked out of place vs veterans. To me he didn't look any better than most undrafted FA's in camp, which is not good for a 2nd round pick. The scouts I spoke to said he did not stand out in MAAA either...another bad sign. Obviously he still has time, just stating the facts, which you seem to not want to face. Ok great ... you saw him in pre-season. I'm all for facts ... but opinions aren't facts. I'm just wondering why you brought it up now when you could have brought it up when he joined the team after Xmas. In Bathurst players I have criticized ... i've never criticized any player before I have seen him play several games in the Q. And that is missing here. I'm not defending Corson because I have never seen him play ... and know nothing about him. Liam Murphy looked unimpressive in the early going of the season ... took a few months to get in decent shape and adjust to the speed of the game. After that we were seeing steady improvement until he was injured. I'd prefer to see Corson get that same sort of adjustment time before he is tossed away by anybody. He should come to camp in better shape than most rookies this time around. Maybe he won't work out ... fine ... bitch about it then and bring it up several times per year like you do with everything else that doesn't work out. But right now you are jumping the gun ... with opinion ... and zero facts. I just don't see why this became a topic. Your right it's not a Topic. Noah will be in camp and will make the Wildcats squad and be eased into a regular role.... he was told to get into shape this summer and it's was up to him to earn beyond a the 4th line role he will be given. He's had attitude and maturity issues, if he controls it he'll keep progressing, if he doesn't he will be sent home to Quebec.
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Post by wild1 on Jun 3, 2015 11:42:32 GMT -4
Nothing can be done now about players already drafted I.E. Corson, whether he works out or not. What I would like to see going forward is the Wildcats build their team the way Saint John does, they seem to hit the mark with Euros, Free Agents and US players. Most impressivley though they always seem to make trades that not only keep them competitive in the present , but also helps build towards the future, like 3 top 10 picks this year including number 1 overall. The Wildcats need to take a step back and look at how the Seadogs do things. Never mind taking guys high in the draft that are off the charts and can be had later, build smartly.
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Post by lirette on Jun 3, 2015 12:29:08 GMT -4
Nothing can be done now about players already drafted I.E. Corson, whether he works out or not. What I would like to see going forward is the Wildcats build their team the way Saint John does, they seem to hit the mark with Euros, Free Agents and US players. Most impressivley though they always seem to make trades that not only keep them competitive in the present , but also helps build towards the future, like 3 top 10 picks this year including number 1 overall. The Wildcats need to take a step back and look at how the Seadogs do things. Never mind taking guys high in the draft that are off the charts and can be had later, build smartly. The only US born player the Sea Dogs have had in the past 2 seasons was Marsh. The cats had 5 US players on their team including the league MVP and one of our best defenceman. Zboril is a good Euro but Siska/Repe/Li have all been underwhelming. The cats have lots to improve on but I wouldn't say attracting US players or Euros would be something that is weaker than SJ. Johnston was also a good FA find that has made an impact. Del Paggio/Dundas/Dempsey/Van Boekel/Blight/Bishop certainly help fill out their roster but are all depth players for the most part.
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Post by joehockey on Jun 3, 2015 13:15:35 GMT -4
Looking at Next years roster I'm not sure there is much room at all for rookies unless some other players get moved out. Lineups are not necessarily how they will work out, just to help list the players.
Euro Askew Garland Smith Johnson Euro Leger Corson Murphy Tibbo Bower Cormier Jacob
I think the Cats will add two euro forwards at the import draft and so that leaves little room for anyone else to make the team. If recent history is any indication though they will likely sign one of their American players and so they will get the 14th spot. Does RJ Murphy show up and if is he good enough to make the team? I don't think any other forward from the 2014 draft has a real chance to crack the roster next year, I'm not sure Archibald brings something to the roster that you don't already have with Tibbo/Bower/Cormier. If the player picked in the first round is a forward they might send them back based on not having any room this year and give him more seasoning and ice time in Midget.
Sweeney Malatesta Holwell Johnston Tesink Klebanskyj
This is an older defensive corps with 4 of them being 19-20 next year. I think Tesink has likely locked down a spot for next year unless something unexpected happens. I'm not sure anyone from the 2014 draft will be able to get the last spot and it may go to a FA or to a player from the 2015 draft. Dominie or Cormier have a chance but I would not bet on them making the roster next year and the team may want a younger player to have that 7th spot because of the amount of older Dmen on the roster. There is always the chance that McInnis or Krys shows up in the future but it is extremely doubtful it happens next year.
Goalie - I think anyone's guess is as good right now. It very well could be two players that we have not heard about yet. I'm not sure Rioux has proven enough to be a starter or whether they should keep him as a marginal backup at 19. Talbot-Tassi has the best size out of the players currently on the roster while Dupre was just drafted in the 5th round last year. I think it will be wide open at training camp especially with a new goalie coach not having any bias towards certain players. I think this would have been the optimal year to have been able to draft a euro goalie for a year like Will but obviously that is not an option.
Overall, I think the team is pretty much set at forward and defence except for adding a few players. Corson, Murphy and Tesink seem to be the only players from the 2014 draft to have pretty much guaranteed spots next year. This coming draft is interesting to see which positions they go to first, how high they add a goalie and if they keep on their recent trend of drafting a lot of American's
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2015 13:21:07 GMT -4
Nothing can be done now about players already drafted I.E. Corson, whether he works out or not. What I would like to see going forward is the Wildcats build their team the way Saint John does, they seem to hit the mark with Euros, Free Agents and US players. Most impressivley though they always seem to make trades that not only keep them competitive in the present , but also helps build towards the future, like 3 top 10 picks this year including number 1 overall. The Wildcats need to take a step back and look at how the Seadogs do things. Never mind taking guys high in the draft that are off the charts and can be had later, build smartly. Since winning the league title in 2010, they haven't wanted to bite the bullet and do a true rebuild. Thyey say they want to compete year in and year out, but that's hard to do without having kids coming from MAAA each year that are top 4-5 round picks that you can plug in. They have done pretty good with US players and free agents, but overall the drafting has been up and down and hindered by picks missing. This year will be the first 1st rounder that plays for the Cats(if they don't trade it!) since Shea 4 years ago. 1st rounds picks are not everything, but it's nearly impossible to win in this league without 1st round picks, that level of talent is usually only found it that round.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2015 14:38:44 GMT -4
Looking at Next years roster I'm not sure there is much room at all for rookies unless some other players get moved out. Lineups are not necessarily how they will work out, just to help list the players. Euro Askew Garland Smith Johnson Euro Leger Corson Murphy Tibbo Bower Cormier Jacob I think the Cats will add two euro forwards at the import draft and so that leaves little room for anyone else to make the team. If recent history is any indication though they will likely sign one of their American players and so they will get the 14th spot. Does RJ Murphy show up and if is he good enough to make the team? I don't think any other forward from the 2014 draft has a real chance to crack the roster next year, I'm not sure Archibald brings something to the roster that you don't already have with Tibbo/Bower/Cormier. If the player picked in the first round is a forward they might send them back based on not having any room this year and give him more seasoning and ice time in Midget. Sweeney Malatesta Holwell Johnston Tesink Klebanskyj This is an older defensive corps with 4 of them being 19-20 next year. I think Tesink has likely locked down a spot for next year unless something unexpected happens. I'm not sure anyone from the 2014 draft will be able to get the last spot and it may go to a FA or to a player from the 2015 draft. Dominie or Cormier have a chance but I would not bet on them making the roster next year and the team may want a younger player to have that 7th spot because of the amount of older Dmen on the roster. There is always the chance that McInnis or Krys shows up in the future but it is extremely doubtful it happens next year. Goalie - I think anyone's guess is as good right now. It very well could be two players that we have not heard about yet. I'm not sure Rioux has proven enough to be a starter or whether they should keep him as a marginal backup at 19. Talbot-Tassi has the best size out of the players currently on the roster while Dupre was just drafted in the 5th round last year. I think it will be wide open at training camp especially with a new goalie coach not having any bias towards certain players. I think this would have been the optimal year to have been able to draft a euro goalie for a year like Will but obviously that is not an option. Overall, I think the team is pretty much set at forward and defence except for adding a few players. Corson, Murphy and Tesink seem to be the only players from the 2014 draft to have pretty much guaranteed spots next year. This coming draft is interesting to see which positions they go to first, how high they add a goalie and if they keep on their recent trend of drafting a lot of American's A few comments... -The team is set...yes and no, if you can add high end talent, like a top US player or 1st round pick, there are players you can move out. I wouldn't rule out trading an 18 year old forward to add another top 3-4 pick, they have a lot of good but not great 18 year old F's. Guys like Tibbo Bower or Leger could be expendable. -Tibbo will be 19, so they won't keep him on the 4th line, it's top 6 or trade/cut in all likelihood. Worst case, strong 3rd liner. -with the Euro pick so late, I wouldn't count on getting a 1st line caliber guy in the 1st and 2nd line in the 2nd, if they do it would be a huge success. It will be a challenge to get one top 6 F/top 4 D out of the draft. -Corson, at best will play 4th line, no way he goes from barely playing last year and struggling in MAAA to 3rd line next year, best case is he gives you a good #4 center, again, anything more would be a big bonus -I think you have Tibbo Leger Bower and Cormier too low, I would plan on Leger top 6(ahead of at least one Euro) and the others as the 3rd line. Smith-Askew-Garland(Smith gives you a strong grinder who can chip in) Tibbo/Euro-Johnson-Leger(solid 2 way line) Cormier-Bower-Murphy/Euro/Tibbo Murphy/Euro-Jacob-Corson-Archibald -on defense I expect McInnis to report and play top 4, I expect Johnston traded to make room for an OA goalie
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 3, 2015 14:48:17 GMT -4
Hodge's article today seems to speculate that Johnston or Sweeney could be traded, the way he wrote the article and the quotes from Shannon, the WC would not have an issue keeping one of Zilbert and Beaton as OA. Maybe the other has some trade value, probably not a ton...
One thing not mentioned is they desperately need a goalie and OA might be the best cheap way to add a solid goalie.
Johnson is said to be the only lock. Can't see them trading both Sweeney and Johnston, so at least one stays.
Shannon also states that there are likely a couple of returnees who don't make it...Rioux and ??
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 3, 2015 14:54:02 GMT -4
Nothing can be done now about players already drafted I.E. Corson, whether he works out or not. What I would like to see going forward is the Wildcats build their team the way Saint John does, they seem to hit the mark with Euros, Free Agents and US players. Most impressivley though they always seem to make trades that not only keep them competitive in the present , but also helps build towards the future, like 3 top 10 picks this year including number 1 overall. The Wildcats need to take a step back and look at how the Seadogs do things. Never mind taking guys high in the draft that are off the charts and can be had later, build smartly. Saint John has put their team back in a good position by having two seasons at the bottom again. They picked first overall last year and also got the high Euro pick. Their fan interest has suffered because of it. They are poised for another run now but paid the price at the bottom. I'd rather not take that approach to rebuilding. I'd rather have a strong team every year and tweak the lineup when you are one of the contenders. I don't fault SJ at all for the way they built their team ... they had back to back championship seasons ... and 3 trips in a row to the Prez Cup final ... and then they paid the price by dropping to the bottom and starting over. Great results ... but it comes at a price. If you could guarentee a championship season by having 3 years as a non-contender ... would you take it ?
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Post by joehockey on Jun 3, 2015 15:06:35 GMT -4
A few comments... -The team is set...yes and no, if you can add high end talent, like a top US player or 1st round pick, there are players you can move out. I wouldn't rule out trading an 18 year old forward to add another top 3-4 pick, they have a lot of good but not great 18 year old F's. Guys like Tibbo Bower or Leger could be expendable. -Tibbo will be 19, so they won't keep him on the 4th line, it's top 6 or trade/cut in all likelihood. Worst case, strong 3rd liner. -with the Euro pick so late, I wouldn't count on getting a 1st line caliber guy in the 1st and 2nd line in the 2nd, if they do it would be a huge success. It will be a challenge to get one top 6 F/top 4 D out of the draft. -Corson, at best will play 4th line, no way he goes from barely playing last year and struggling in MAAA to 3rd line next year, best case is he gives you a good #4 center, again, anything more would be a big bonus -I think you have Tibbo Leger Bower and Cormier too low, I would plan on Leger top 6(ahead of at least one Euro) and the others as the 3rd line. Smith-Askew-Garland(Smith gives you a strong grinder who can chip in) Tibbo/Euro-Johnson-Leger(solid 2 way line) Cormier-Bower-Murphy/Euro/Tibbo Murphy/Euro-Jacob-Corson-Archibald - on defense I expect McInnis to report and play top 4, I expect Johnston traded to make room for an OA goalie I didn't have them so much as lines, just putting them down as I remembered them really but I agree that it is likely 3rd line or nothing for Tibbo. A guy like Jacob may be in danger of losing his spot as well since I think he and Leger provide much of the same thing and Leger seemed to have received more ice time at the end of the year. I'm not sure McInnis reports unless you have heard something. He just committed to BC in the last year and his dad is a coach there. It would be great if he did though. If they do trade Johnston or Sweeney I would hope they only do it if they get a really good return. Zilbert and Beaton are probably serviceable 20s it just seems so jammed for forwards that it would be hard to fit them in. I wonder whether you could even trade them to a team at this point, I would expect nothing more than an 8th or 10th round pick if they were traded though. The euro draft is always a crap shoot. Moncton could end up with 2 great players but you're right, they could end up with a few that are not worth keeping.
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 3, 2015 15:08:09 GMT -4
Looking at Next years roster I'm not sure there is much room at all for rookies unless some other players get moved out. Lineups are not necessarily how they will work out, just to help list the players. Euro Askew Garland Smith Johnson Euro Leger Corson Murphy Tibbo Bower Cormier Jacob I think the Cats will add two euro forwards at the import draft and so that leaves little room for anyone else to make the team. If recent history is any indication though they will likely sign one of their American players and so they will get the 14th spot. Does RJ Murphy show up and if is he good enough to make the team? I don't think any other forward from the 2014 draft has a real chance to crack the roster next year, I'm not sure Archibald brings something to the roster that you don't already have with Tibbo/Bower/Cormier. If the player picked in the first round is a forward they might send them back based on not having any room this year and give him more seasoning and ice time in Midget. Sweeney Malatesta Holwell Johnston Tesink Klebanskyj This is an older defensive corps with 4 of them being 19-20 next year. I think Tesink has likely locked down a spot for next year unless something unexpected happens. I'm not sure anyone from the 2014 draft will be able to get the last spot and it may go to a FA or to a player from the 2015 draft. Dominie or Cormier have a chance but I would not bet on them making the roster next year and the team may want a younger player to have that 7th spot because of the amount of older Dmen on the roster. There is always the chance that McInnis or Krys shows up in the future but it is extremely doubtful it happens next year. Goalie - I think anyone's guess is as good right now. It very well could be two players that we have not heard about yet. I'm not sure Rioux has proven enough to be a starter or whether they should keep him as a marginal backup at 19. Talbot-Tassi has the best size out of the players currently on the roster while Dupre was just drafted in the 5th round last year. I think it will be wide open at training camp especially with a new goalie coach not having any bias towards certain players. I think this would have been the optimal year to have been able to draft a euro goalie for a year like Will but obviously that is not an option. Overall, I think the team is pretty much set at forward and defence except for adding a few players. Corson, Murphy and Tesink seem to be the only players from the 2014 draft to have pretty much guaranteed spots next year. This coming draft is interesting to see which positions they go to first, how high they add a goalie and if they keep on their recent trend of drafting a lot of American's A few comments... -The team is set...yes and no, if you can add high end talent, like a top US player or 1st round pick, there are players you can move out. I wouldn't rule out trading an 18 year old forward to add another top 3-4 pick, they have a lot of good but not great 18 year old F's. Guys like Tibbo Bower or Leger could be expendable. -Tibbo will be 19, so they won't keep him on the 4th line, it's top 6 or trade/cut in all likelihood. Worst case, strong 3rd liner. -with the Euro pick so late, I wouldn't count on getting a 1st line caliber guy in the 1st and 2nd line in the 2nd, if they do it would be a huge success. It will be a challenge to get one top 6 F/top 4 D out of the draft. -Corson, at best will play 4th line, no way he goes from barely playing last year and struggling in MAAA to 3rd line next year, best case is he gives you a good #4 center, again, anything more would be a big bonus -I think you have Tibbo Leger Bower and Cormier too low, I would plan on Leger top 6(ahead of at least one Euro) and the others as the 3rd line. Smith-Askew-Garland(Smith gives you a strong grinder who can chip in) Tibbo/Euro-Johnson-Leger(solid 2 way line) Cormier-Bower-Murphy/Euro/Tibbo Murphy/Euro-Jacob-Corson-Archibald -on defense I expect McInnis to report and play top 4, I expect Johnston traded to make room for an OA goalie If Leger is not playing top 6 I think he is dealt away. He is probably the purest goal scorer we have now, so he may fit best with Garland feeding him ... but his work ethic is what holds him back. He looked good in the playoffs when he got his chances with skilled players. I don't think he was happy with his icetime last year so I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for a trade. I can see Tibbo being let go or traded in a minor deal.
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Post by joehockey on Jun 3, 2015 15:10:58 GMT -4
Hodge's article today seems to speculate that Johnston or Sweeney could be traded, the way he wrote the article and the quotes from Shannon, the WC would not have an issue keeping one of Zilbert and Beaton as OA. Maybe the other has some trade value, probably not a ton... One thing not mentioned is they desperately need a goalie and OA might be the best cheap way to add a solid goalie. Johnson is said to be the only lock. Can't see them trading both Sweeney and Johnston, so at least one stays. Shannon also states that there are likely a couple of returnees who don't make it...Rioux and ??Jacob seems like a player that might one who is competing for a spot. Same could be said for Bower or Tibbo depending on what others look like at Camp. I can't see any of the defence struggling to make it but they are older so maybe they move out a 19 (Klebanskyj) as well as a 20?
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