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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Mar 6, 2015 12:54:20 GMT -4
The more often than not comment I made was about guys not being given a penalty when someone jumps them. And with the aggressor penalty it doesn't matter whether you are defending a team-mate or not the rule is the same. There have been 34 aggressor penalties this season. 47 last year and 46 the season before. Most of them likely in response to something. This isn't a unique situation. I'm not arguing against what you're saying, I just think we're arguing different points. Bent did not just jump someone. He went after Francis but all hell broke loose and guys were grabbing a partner and he ended up with Pickard. He threw like 3 punches before the refs separated them. To me, that is not an aggressor penalty. I think most would agree. Why is that not an aggressor penalty? That is exactly what most aggressor penalties are. Are you sure you know what an aggressor is?
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Post by bartmoosefan on Mar 6, 2015 13:08:11 GMT -4
It's not an aggressor cause Packard is a damn turtle early in the game falkenham tried to go at him. Packard wanted nothing to do with him until the refs jumped in then he got cocky, he's a dirty player, playing for a team that has no class what so ever. I believe it was the turtle that took a run a bent without the puck also. He didn't throw any punches at bent because bent would have beat his face all over the ice. Packard wouldn't even throw any punches at Hal or Mac the mascots lol, scared.
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Post by joehockey on Mar 6, 2015 13:16:38 GMT -4
It's not an aggressor cause Packard is a damn turtle early in the game falkenham tried to go at him. Packard wanted nothing to do with him until the refs jumped in then he got cocky, he's a dirty player, playing for a team that has no class what so ever. I believe it was the turtle that took a run a bent without the puck also. He didn't throw any punches at bent because bent would have beat his face all over the ice. Packard wouldn't even throw any punches at Hal or Mac the mascots lol, scared. He beat Ford earlier in the game....
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Post by Joe Rogan on Mar 6, 2015 13:16:38 GMT -4
I'm not arguing against what you're saying, I just think we're arguing different points. Bent did not just jump someone. He went after Francis but all hell broke loose and guys were grabbing a partner and he ended up with Pickard. He threw like 3 punches before the refs separated them. To me, that is not an aggressor penalty. I think most would agree. Why is that not an aggressor penalty? That is exactly what most aggressor penalties are. Are you sure you know what an aggressor is? It's completely situational. Take this hypothetical example. The hit on Crossley was clean, and the same aftermath ensued. Bent goes after Francis but gets pulled away by other players and ends up taking a few swings at Pickard. You think Bathurst deserves a 5 min PP for that? They only made that aggressor call to even things out, which is exactly what you don't want to do in a game where emotions are taking over. That's how to lose control of a game 101, which is exactly what happened. That game was some of the worst decision making by refs i've seen in that building in a long time. It was like they were trying to stir the pot. Part of refereeing is keeping games that are boiling over under control and using the rule book to facilitate that goal. Not the other way around. Many rules are very up for interpretation and calls are subjective. Just like the 'illegal substitution' call on Bathurst at the beginning of the 3rd. Did they deserve that penalty? No, but they actually made that call to make up for a mistake they made by giving Ducharme a bench minor. The refs have more control/responsibility than just calling it by the book at this level and upward. There's a lot of managing emotions going on at the highest levels of the game.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Mar 6, 2015 13:17:34 GMT -4
It's not an aggressor cause Packard is a damn turtle early in the game falkenham tried to go at him. Packard wanted nothing to do with him until the refs jumped in then he got cocky, he's a dirty player, playing for a team that has no class what so ever. I believe it was the turtle that took a run a bent without the puck also. He didn't throw any punches at bent because bent would have beat his face all over the ice. Packard wouldn't even throw any punches at Hal or Mac the mascots lol, scared. What a crock of shit. Bent has won like one fight in his whole Q career. And he got beat quite handily by Pickard in a previous game at Halifax. No-one is scared of kelly bent. He's not a great fighter. Great team-mate just not a good fighter. Pickard would destroy Falkenham in a fight.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Mar 6, 2015 13:24:33 GMT -4
Why is that not an aggressor penalty? That is exactly what most aggressor penalties are. Are you sure you know what an aggressor is? It's completely situational. Take this hypothetical example. The hit on Crossley was clean, and the same aftermath ensued. Bent goes after Francis but gets pulled away by other players and ends up taking a few swings at Pickard. You think Bathurst deserves a 5 min PP for that? They only made that aggressor call to even things out, which is exactly what you don't want to do in a game where emotions are taking over. That's how to lose control of a game 101, which is exactly what happened. That game was some of the worst decision making by refs i've seen in that building in a long time. It was like they were trying to stir the pot. Part of refereeing is keeping games that are boiling over under control and using the rule book to facilitate that goal. Not the other way around. Many rules are very up for interpretation and calls are subjective. Just like the 'illegal substitution' call on Bathurst at the beginning of the 3rd. Did they deserve that penalty? No, but they actually made that call to make up for a mistake they made by giving Ducharme a bench minor. The refs have more control/responsibility than just calling it by the book at this level and upward. There's a lot of managing emotions going on at the highest levels of the game. That wasn't a make up call at all. You think a ref is looking to make up a make up call on a dirty hit? It was a textbook aggressor. Officials don't take emotion into it. Only the act. And in your example not sure they 'deserve' a 5 minute powerplay but with the rule as it is yes they should get one
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Post by bartmoosefan on Mar 6, 2015 13:30:56 GMT -4
It's not an aggressor cause Packard is a damn turtle early in the game falkenham tried to go at him. Packard wanted nothing to do with him until the refs jumped in then he got cocky, he's a dirty player, playing for a team that has no class what so ever. I believe it was the turtle that took a run a bent without the puck also. He didn't throw any punches at bent because bent would have beat his face all over the ice. Packard wouldn't even throw any punches at Hal or Mac the mascots lol, scared. What a crock of shit. Bent has won like one fight in his whole Q career. And he got beat quite handily by Pickard in a previous game at Halifax. No-one is scared of kelly bent. He's not a great fighter. Great team-mate just not a good fighter. Pickard would destroy Falkenham in a fight.
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Post by bartmoosefan on Mar 6, 2015 13:36:42 GMT -4
Lol yeah he beat Ford, he's a rookie with like three fights, yup he would have beat falkenham definitely not a fighter but one hell of a captain. But if you play the chippy style like pickard does, then why turtle against a guy like Bent. Who by the way doesn't half to win fights, he's loose and that's what matters, he will fight anyone in the league un like pickard, who takes cheap shots and fights young rookie players. Yup he's a winner. Another classy player on a classy team.
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Post by chsb on Mar 6, 2015 13:36:55 GMT -4
Why is that not an aggressor penalty? That is exactly what most aggressor penalties are. Are you sure you know what an aggressor is? It's completely situational. Take this hypothetical example. The hit on Crossley was clean, and the same aftermath ensued. Bent goes after Francis but gets pulled away by other players and ends up taking a few swings at Pickard. You think Bathurst deserves a 5 min PP for that? They only made that aggressor call to even things out, which is exactly what you don't want to do in a game where emotions are taking over. That's how to lose control of a game 101, which is exactly what happened. That game was some of the worst decision making by refs i've seen in that building in a long time. It was like they were trying to stir the pot. That is what I believe too, but try to convince of the Moose fans about that. Francis can check but he is no dirty sob like some paint him here....and he is only 16 YO with 160 some lbs....give us a break! Meanwhile some Moose fans call Pickard yellow when he clearly beat Bent the last time they faced off.
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Post by chsb on Mar 6, 2015 13:39:42 GMT -4
Lol yeah he beat Ford, he's a rookie with like three fights, yup he would have beat falkenham definitely not a fighter but one hell of a captain. But if you play the chippy style like pickard does, then why turtle against a guy like Bent. Who by the way doesn't half to win fights, he's loose and that's what matters, he will fight anyone in the league un like pickard, who takes cheap shots and fights young rookie players. Yup he's a winner. Another classy player on a classy team. Sorry but you are totally wrong on Pickard....he does not back off a fight, but he knows all about Bent is made off though. Bent is a piece of.... Pickard's role on the Titan is too play energetic, bodycheck and face the music when the hell breaks loose. He has no proof to make to your guys though....
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Post by joehockey on Mar 6, 2015 13:46:24 GMT -4
Lol yeah he beat Ford, he's a rookie with like three fights, yup he would have beat falkenham definitely not a fighter but one hell of a captain. But if you play the chippy style like pickard does, then why turtle against a guy like Bent. Who by the way doesn't half to win fights, he's loose and that's what matters, he will fight anyone in the league un like pickard, who takes cheap shots and fights young rookie players. Yup he's a winner. Another classy player on a classy team. They are the same age and both rookies and Pickard has less fights than Ford does. www.hockeyfights.com/players/19592/fightcard/reg2015www.hockeyfights.com/players/18851/fightcard/reg2015
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Post by bartmoosefan on Mar 6, 2015 13:47:32 GMT -4
Your sniffing around my question Why not fight Bent in that situation who gives a sh.it whether he beat him before or not we are talking about this game not the past, last place team taking runs at teams making playoffs. And you defend that. Speaks miles about you and your opinion. So why Turlte against Bent? If he's such a tough guy?
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Post by bartmoosefan on Mar 6, 2015 13:50:52 GMT -4
Think you better re watch the first fight between the two. I would call it a good fight, with no clear winner. You call it pickard tuning up bent lol give me a break.
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Post by joehockey on Mar 6, 2015 13:53:06 GMT -4
Your sniffing around my question Why not fight Bent in that situation who gives a sh.it whether he beat him before or not we are talking about this game not the past, last place team taking runs at teams making playoffs. And you defend that. Speaks miles about you and your opinion. So why Turlte against Bent? If he's such a tough guy? Maybe he's not stupid and realizes that Bent will take a penalty and they still had a chance to win the game? Maybe he doesn't want to fight for the second time in a game and get kicked out?
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Post by johnstrow on Mar 6, 2015 13:54:57 GMT -4
Lol yeah he beat Ford, he's a rookie with like three fights, yup he would have beat falkenham definitely not a fighter but one hell of a captain. But if you play the chippy style like pickard does, then why turtle against a guy like Bent. Who by the way doesn't half to win fights, he's loose and that's what matters, he will fight anyone in the league un like pickard, who takes cheap shots and fights young rookie players. Yup he's a winner. Another classy player on a classy team. Sorry but you are totally wrong on Pickard....he does not back off a fight, but he knows all about Bent is made off though. Bent is a piece of.... Pickard's role on the Titan is too play energetic, bodycheck and face the music when the hell breaks loose. He has no proof to make to your guys though.... Vuic tried to get Pickard to go twice in the first after the Bent hit and he wouldn't go. Minutes later he drops them against Ford. Read into that what you will.
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