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Post by Bruce Wayne on Apr 15, 2015 7:46:06 GMT -4
Here is my take on what happened:
His Royal Highness Premier Gallant wanted to take in a Wildcats game this Friday night; but he didn't want to come to Moncton and slum it with the rest of us peons. So he had the City of Moncton orchestrate this entire ruse of a "car show" conflict just so they'd be forced to move the game to Fredericton. The carrot he held in front of Moncton? Money to pave Elmwood / Irishtown to the new Claude Williams, er, Tankville, er, Moncton High School.
Conspiracy theorists revel in this kind of stuff...
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 15, 2015 8:19:08 GMT -4
This whole situation can be easily alleviated in the future. Just change the dates of all of these show to fall outside of Mar 15 to May 31. The car show has been a spring tradition since the mid 70's, but why can't it be moved to the Fall ... or early June ... or the beginning of March ? Pick a date in October and the Wildcats can have the league schedule them on the road for that weekend.
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 15, 2015 8:21:57 GMT -4
I wouldn't be so sure that George Leblanc went behind everyone's back and signed two contracts - Councillor Bourgeois is not a supporter of Leblanc so I would take what he says with a grain of salt, he is only looking at scoring some political points. So, I'm not heading to Fredericton, nor do I have Rogers (Go FibreOP!), so does that mean I need to pay for the webcast if I want to see the game? It would be a very good PR move for the Wildcats to find a way to have the webcast available at no charge... Is Rogers showing Friday's game? I know they planned to show it here but haven't heard if they are planning to go to Fredericton... Yes the game will be on Rogers.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 15, 2015 8:34:37 GMT -4
Is the Aitken Center set up for replays for goal reviews ?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 15, 2015 8:38:44 GMT -4
This whole situation can be easily alleviated in the future. Just change the dates of all of these show to fall outside of Mar 15 to May 31. The car show has been a spring tradition since the mid 70's, but why can't it be moved to the Fall ... or early June ... or the beginning of March ? Pick a date in October and the Wildcats can have the league schedule them on the road for that weekend. That is prime time for shows...weather is better but people are not yet on vacation or at the cottage. Your suggestion would cost those shows some revenue.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 15, 2015 8:51:40 GMT -4
I would have thought that they could have bought off the Speed Show for less than $125k ... You are just asking them to give up the ice surface for one day out of three ... Surely the show is not so wildly profitable for the organizers that giving up a relatively small portion of the overall floor space for one day could not have arranged for some level of compensation less than $125k?
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 15, 2015 9:00:55 GMT -4
I would have thought that they could have bought off the Speed Show for less than $125k ... You are just asking them to give up the ice surface for one day out of three ... Surely the show is not so wildly profitable for the organizers that giving up a relatively small portion of the overall floor space for one day could not have arranged for some level of compensation less than $125k? That's my thoughts as well. Surely there had to be something better and cheaper that could be done. So how do the tickets work for Fredericton? Are they general admission? Do I have to leave work at 2 o'clock in order to go wait in line for a good seat? That's why I have a playoff package, so I don't have to worry about that. Will the Wildcats be compensating me for my lost time at work if that's the case? What about my gas? What about the mileage on my car? I'd be curious to see what this $125,000 will be used for. Will we give it to some Americans in order to get them to report? Is Irving going to pocket the cash? Is Wild Willie getting a new costume? This cost the city a lot more than $125,000. Think of all the hotel room revenue that they lost. There were a lot of Mooseheads fans planning on coming down and staying the night. They would probably stick around on Saturday for a bit for some shopping, etc. That's not even including the team themselves who would have been staying a night and eating 2-3 meals in Moncton. My biggest beef is that they decided this 3 days before the game. How did they not know that before hand? We discussed it here so if armchair coaching keyboard pushers like us knew it would be a problem, how do the people who get paid to know this a problem didn't figure it out beforehand?
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Post by bigtimefan on Apr 15, 2015 9:03:08 GMT -4
these shows have 10-20 year contracts for the venue...its time bith the Metro Center and Collisee treat the teams as number 1 tenants....the rinks the use must meet standards set by the CHL...and none in and around moncton meet those requirements...not teams fault in halifax or moncton its the venues fault.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 15, 2015 9:22:29 GMT -4
I would have thought that they could have bought off the Speed Show for less than $125k ... You are just asking them to give up the ice surface for one day out of three ... Surely the show is not so wildly profitable for the organizers that giving up a relatively small portion of the overall floor space for one day could not have arranged for some level of compensation less than $125k? I was thinking that yesterday. Maybe it was too short notice and there would have been issues in determining who had space and who did not. I'm sure some of the spaces are reserved ahead of time...
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Post by grobs on Apr 15, 2015 12:00:07 GMT -4
A 2-3-2 series could have been agreed on. A friday game in Halifax would have drawn close to a sell- out. How is that not better then he currejt arrangemnt? I believe the Halifax Rainmen had the building reserved on the Friday and Saturday night if Brampton had won the Semi-Final series.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 15, 2015 12:43:22 GMT -4
This whole situation can be easily alleviated in the future. Just change the dates of all of these show to fall outside of Mar 15 to May 31. The car show has been a spring tradition since the mid 70's, but why can't it be moved to the Fall ... or early June ... or the beginning of March ? Pick a date in October and the Wildcats can have the league schedule them on the road for that weekend. That is prime time for shows...weather is better but people are not yet on vacation or at the cottage. Your suggestion would cost those shows some revenue. They have already lost the dates between Mar 15 and May 31, according the City agreement. Their revenue is already going to be affected. Not many people are on vacation in October ... while many are on vacation this time of year.
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Post by npsh on Apr 15, 2015 12:45:45 GMT -4
Latest I heard buses are heading down Friday for the game but charging 26.00 PP. It is my view that people who purchased their play-off package should be given a free ride to their HOME GAME they paid for if they choose to go. If not interested in this trip then that particular ticket to be refunded, which I understand will happen. Again as I pontificated at nausium, somebody should have seen this happening - I am convinced they did but the choice was to let it slide hoping for a positive outcome.
PS I was called this morning by a media outlet looking for a public statement from a "season ticket holder" prospective. I declined as didn't want to stoke the fire any more but media is certainly interested in this F---- up.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 15, 2015 12:55:06 GMT -4
I would have thought that they could have bought off the Speed Show for less than $125k ... You are just asking them to give up the ice surface for one day out of three ... Surely the show is not so wildly profitable for the organizers that giving up a relatively small portion of the overall floor space for one day could not have arranged for some level of compensation less than $125k? Well ... I think they typically draw 25,000 for a weekend. Last time I went tickets were up over $10 ... say $12 ... so $300,000 in ticket revenue. There are many many vendors (car dealers, motorcycle dealers, etc.) that would all have to pay for space, depending on the floor space they take up. The "hot rods" wouldn't be paying for space, but they probably have a small registration fee if they want to considered for prizes. Probably a decent concession revenue as well. It could be something close to $500,000 in revenue for the 3 days they are there. There are also many expenses involved ... so profit is probably over half of the revenue. If you paid Turner $100,000 to shorten his show by a half day (drop Friday), he'd probably seriously consider it.
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Post by catnut on Apr 15, 2015 12:57:57 GMT -4
I would have thought that they could have bought off the Speed Show for less than $125k ... You are just asking them to give up the ice surface for one day out of three ... Surely the show is not so wildly profitable for the organizers that giving up a relatively small portion of the overall floor space for one day could not have arranged for some level of compensation less than $125k? Well ... I think they typically draw 25,000 for a weekend. Last time I went tickets were up over $10 ... say $12 ... so $300,000 in ticket revenue. There are many many vendors (car dealers, motorcycle dealers, etc.) that would all have to pay for space, depending on the floor space they take up. The "hot rods" wouldn't be paying for space, but they probably have a small registration fee if they want to considered for prizes. Probably a decent concession revenue as well. It could be something close to $500,000 in revenue for the 3 days they are there. There are also many expenses involved ... so profit is probably over half of the revenue. If you paid Turner $100,000 to shorten his show by a half day (drop Friday), he'd probably seriously consider it. But he wouldn't have to cut the whole show by half a day, just the Coliseum part.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 15, 2015 13:50:41 GMT -4
Well ... I think they typically draw 25,000 for a weekend. Last time I went tickets were up over $10 ... say $12 ... so $300,000 in ticket revenue. There are many many vendors (car dealers, motorcycle dealers, etc.) that would all have to pay for space, depending on the floor space they take up. The "hot rods" wouldn't be paying for space, but they probably have a small registration fee if they want to considered for prizes. Probably a decent concession revenue as well. It could be something close to $500,000 in revenue for the 3 days they are there. There are also many expenses involved ... so profit is probably over half of the revenue. If you paid Turner $100,000 to shorten his show by a half day (drop Friday), he'd probably seriously consider it. But he wouldn't have to cut the whole show by half a day, just the Coliseum part. Exactly - his revenue would probably be close to the same ... Paying customers probably no impact - if anything you might gain a few if some of the 4,000 plus heading to the Cats game decide to go early and swing by the show. Would probably have to compensate some of the vendors/exhibitors (the ones bumped from ice surface), bu I can't imagine that would cost > $125k ... How does the Cats lease read for concessions? Is it possible the Cats run and keep all concessions profits in the building for all events, including Speed Sport? I am not so certain the organizers get to keep concessions profits anyway ...
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