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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 19:45:21 GMT -4
Which players that were traded or let go at Christmas were the problem?
Bell
Dacy
Simard
Brassard
Pelletier
I spoke to a billet in passing and he mentioned that there was issues with some players partying and out drinking?
Just curious on people's thoughts and any facts that may be out there.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Apr 8, 2015 19:54:43 GMT -4
Which players that were traded or let go at Christmas were the problem? Bell Dacy Simard Brassard Pelletier I spoke to a billet in passing and he mentioned that there was issues with some players partying and out drinking? Just curious on people's thoughts and any facts that may be out there. Ummm....you had what....23 or more teenage or twenty year old males together as a team for approx 8 months. Of course there will be issues with players drinking/partying. It's what teenagers do. I would guarantee that some of those players you listed went out and drank or did some partying. I would also guarantee that there are players still on your roster that drink/party. I would also guarantee that the other 17 teams in the league have players that drank/partied during the season as well. The issue with at least some of those names on your list wasn't drinking/partying. It was poor attitudes, lazy uninspired play, unhappiness and discontent and wanting to be playing elsewhere for whatever reason. |
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Post by looneytunes on Apr 8, 2015 19:57:26 GMT -4
I don't know but I do not think it would be any stretch of the imagination to know something was seriously wrong.
Darcy's bad play can be attributed to him being bummed about getting sent back down and I was never sold on Brassard since the trade was made. He did choke bad last year for Quebec.
Looking at stats it appears Bell , Pelletier and Simard have played about the same since the first half.
I know right before Christmas Bell had a few absolutely disgusting mistakes and that Pelletier had various chances to score and would just give the puck away. The Pelletier of 2013-2014 would have buried those chances.
Oh and by the way -- If they were out drinking and past curfew then they deserved to be scratched. That is how Vincent ran his ship. No excuses and no getting off easy.
I feel this topic is old news but I figured that I would reply anyways.
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Post by looneytunes on Apr 8, 2015 20:00:28 GMT -4
Which players that were traded or let go at Christmas were the problem? Bell Dacy Simard Brassard Pelletier I spoke to a billet in passing and he mentioned that there was issues with some players partying and out drinking? Just curious on people's thoughts and any facts that may be out there. Ummm....you had what....23 or more teenage or twenty year old males together as a team for approx 8 months. Of course there will be issues with players drinking/partying. It's what teenagers do. I would guarantee that some of those players you listed went out and drank or did some partying. I would also guarantee that there are players still on your roster that drink/party. I would also guarantee that the other 17 teams in the league have players that drank/partied during the season as well. The issue with at least some of those names on your list wasn't drinking/partying. It was poor attitudes, lazy uninspired play, unhappiness and discontent and wanting to be playing elsewhere for whatever reason. I would say bad attitudes as well over the partying. |
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 8, 2015 20:01:32 GMT -4
I heard from a players family that the blame in Cape Breton back in November was split mostly on lack of confidence in the goalie. And second the coach. It was on ice performance specifically in net and with the D overwhelmed by it and the inability of coaches to address it.
On most teams its usually not just one player. Now players like the 20 yo Darcy might have been very open expressing dissatisfaction with the season. Team had better expectations. Perhaps that is why they moved him.
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Post by looneytunes on Apr 8, 2015 20:04:56 GMT -4
I heard from a players family that the blame in Cape Breton back in November was split mostly on lack of confidence in the goalie. And second the coach. It was on ice performance specifically in net and with the D overwhelmed by it and the inability of coaches to address it. On most teams its usually not just one player. Now players like the 20 yo Darcy might have been very open expressing dissatisfaction with the season. Team had better expectations. Perhaps that is why they moved him. No doubt. I would not have had much confidence with the goalie giving up 4 goals on 8 shots either. Darcy was a combo. Dumont and him got into it as well. |
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Post by emerz on Apr 8, 2015 20:06:47 GMT -4
Brassard really is a strange case for me, like his play in Cape Breton was genuinely some of the worst QMJHL goaltending I've ever seen then he goes to Gatineau and is their first round MVP in an upset over Blainville.
It was getting to the point with Brassard that I was genuinely surprised when he actually made a save on even the most miniscule scoring chance.
He was gifted starts he didn't deserve and somewhere along the line it started to look like he didn't care at all about playing for the Eagles.
Who knows what happens behind the scene but the team started to play like they gave a shit after they shipped out most of those guys.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Apr 8, 2015 20:18:16 GMT -4
The problem was a combination of a lot of things. Firstly, and I have said this since Day !, Dumont is not even an average coach, he is a terrible coach, no further comments on that subject. Jason Bell was a problem player from Day 1, arrogant and lazy.Francois Brassard just simply did not want to be here. Darcy's problems were his attitude when he was sent back and the poor way in which Dumont handled it. Pelletier, I believe, had a swollen head after being drafted and never recovered his game after his injury.Simard was moved to make more ice time for some of the younger guys, Martineau in particular.
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Post by goeagles on Apr 8, 2015 20:28:41 GMT -4
And the year before there was problems with Gauthier, Carriere, Leduc, Bureau. Add the list of players above and some from last year I may have missed I doubt they are all problems. At some point the coach and the organization have to take some responsibilty. A dozen problem kids as has been stated, 7 or 8 goalies and a ninth and 13th place finish in two years while getting knocked out of the playoffs. Also one player, Dubois who has an impact out of the draft in the last two years. Bell was highly regarded, was used as 6th defenseman. You say lack of effort, I say lack of confidence and coaching.
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Post by BigTwig on Apr 8, 2015 21:31:13 GMT -4
I was talking to an Eagles staff member and he told me that Pelts had a mouth and basically had to be moved for the better of the team
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Post by cb67 on Apr 9, 2015 2:42:42 GMT -4
What would everyone's opinion on Dumont be if we had of won game 7 yesterday?
Just wondering in general?
We were missing Leblanc plus 2 top forwards for about half the series and still managed to take the Remparts to game 7.
I'm not saying Dumont is a Scotty Bowman by any means but it just seems like he's been our instant scape goat as of late regardless of what happens.
We faced a very good team who were stacked and we took them to game 7.
Maybe if we had of reached our potential earlier in the season standings than this series could have been a semi or a final?
Hell, I remember a time when I thought a lot less of Pascal Vincent for lack of playoff wins than I do of Dumont right now.
This series was a great experience for the team and should play a big role in next years performance.
Go Eagles Go!!
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 9, 2015 6:18:18 GMT -4
The playoff series with Quebec certainly displayed the potential of the current group. Yes injuries did matter, and many in Quebec will say the Remparts struggled in that series especially on the PP in the games in Quebec. If the Remparts had met their potential it would not have gone to 7.
But on totality of season with this better roster the Eagles went backwards. From 9th to 13th and that is why they drew Quebec. What a difference even playing Sherbrooke may have made. The team stepped up to a mighty challenge in round one but the Eagles can not sugar coat that season they just completed with a game 7 loss to the 4th seed to perhaps save Dumonts job? No way that team should have not been top 8 entering the playoffs.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Apr 9, 2015 6:43:10 GMT -4
umont roast.
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Post by hal on Apr 9, 2015 7:49:34 GMT -4
Don't underestimate what getting rid of Legare did to the Dressing Room . He loved it here and was well liked by Fans and Teamates .
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Post by sc74 on Apr 9, 2015 8:32:21 GMT -4
Brassard really is a strange case for me, like his play in Cape Breton was genuinely some of the worst QMJHL goaltending I've ever seen then he goes to Gatineau and is their first round MVP in an upset over Blainville. It was getting to the point with Brassard that I was genuinely surprised when he actually made a save on even the most miniscule scoring chance. He was gifted starts he didn't deserve and somewhere along the line it started to look like he didn't care at all about playing for the Eagles. Who knows what happens behind the scene but the team started to play like they gave a shit after they shipped out most of those guys. Brassard was probably traded from Quebec because of what happened in the playoffs, throwing his teammates under the bus. It's like he arrived in Cape Breton and was still thinking of himself above every one else. And then he was cut, nobody wanted him. It probably was the kick in the butt he needed. He got lucky Gatineau needed a goalie because of Whitney's injury. It was his last chance to show what he's got in order to get a contract for next season. |
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