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Post by Reesor on Apr 27, 2015 8:38:48 GMT -4
Curious to hear people's thoughts about what the Moose have done in the past few seasons in regards to picking Americans in the draft. I guess I'm a little concerned that our latest "Home Run" picks aren't reporting. Guys like Eichel, Hayden and Marino could've made huge differences to the Moose, but haven't materialized. Meanwhile, Kevin Resop looks like a pretty good late goalie pick, and Connor Moynihan gave us Danny..  Knowing what you know now, would you prefer the Moose use one pick each season to try for that "longshot"? Or would you prefer them to pick a better Canadian early, and go for an American later that has a better chance at reporting? Edit: A 3rd option would be the Moncton route, which is drafting 4 or 5 Americans per draft. I guess that would depend on our American scouting. |
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Post by Jacques Strap on Apr 27, 2015 8:57:35 GMT -4
Well, I am kind of the mind that if we have a extra 2nd and 3rd u could pick one there, but I would be more happy with picking them later in the draft.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 27, 2015 9:12:00 GMT -4
Curious to hear people's thoughts about what the Moose have done in the past few seasons in regards to picking Americans in the draft. I guess I'm a little concerned that our latest "Home Run" picks aren't reporting. Guys like Eichel, Hayden and Marino could've made huge differences to the Moose, but haven't materialized. Meanwhile, Kevin Resop looks like a pretty good late goalie pick, and Connor Moynihan gave us Danny.. Knowing what you know now, would you prefer the Moose use one pick each season to try for that "longshot"? Or would you prefer them to pick a better Canadian early, and go for an American later that has a better chance at reporting? Edit: A 3rd option would be the Moncton route, which is drafting 4 or 5 Americans per draft. I guess that would depend on our American scouting. Moncton's approach was done out of necessity due to a lack of higher draft picks over the last few years. I think with more picks in the early rounds we'd use them on lower risk options ... Quebec/Atlantic kids. The US picks were done to try to replace those 1st, 2nd and 3rd Rd guys we couldn't get without the picks. It has paid off for us in that it moved our rebuild along nicely, but I don't think they'd do it again with a cupboard stocked with early picks. High risk, medium reward. If they didn't show up we'd be far weaker. Often you don't get these guys to report right away, until they figure out their options. Garland was here at 16, but didn't show up for camp. Malatesta is 18 in his first year in the Q. Liam Murphy is 16 and should be very good down the road. Askew was acquired in a trade so he doesn't really count. We have a few other guys on our current list that we are working on to report next year ... including Chad Krys. |
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 27, 2015 9:17:05 GMT -4
I think it's safe to say the Moncton way is the right approach since they're still playing hockey while you guys are discussing the draft.  |
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Post by Reesor on Apr 27, 2015 9:51:31 GMT -4
I think it's safe to say the Moncton way is the right approach since they're still playing hockey while you guys are discussing the draft. Still not sure how Moncton managed to draft 1/2 an American. |
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Post by novicefan on Apr 27, 2015 9:54:38 GMT -4
I think it's safe to say the Moncton way is the right approach since they're still playing hockey while you guys are discussing the draft. Still not sure how Moncton managed to draft 1/2 an American. LOL! |
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Post by Reesor on Apr 27, 2015 10:00:35 GMT -4
Curious to hear people's thoughts about what the Moose have done in the past few seasons in regards to picking Americans in the draft. I guess I'm a little concerned that our latest "Home Run" picks aren't reporting. Guys like Eichel, Hayden and Marino could've made huge differences to the Moose, but haven't materialized. Meanwhile, Kevin Resop looks like a pretty good late goalie pick, and Connor Moynihan gave us Danny.. Knowing what you know now, would you prefer the Moose use one pick each season to try for that "longshot"? Or would you prefer them to pick a better Canadian early, and go for an American later that has a better chance at reporting? Edit: A 3rd option would be the Moncton route, which is drafting 4 or 5 Americans per draft. I guess that would depend on our American scouting. Moncton's approach was done out of necessity due to a lack of higher draft picks over the last few years. I think with more picks in the early rounds we'd use them on lower risk options ... Quebec/Atlantic kids. The US picks were done to try to replace those 1st, 2nd and 3rd Rd guys we couldn't get without the picks. It has paid off for us in that it moved our rebuild along nicely, but I don't think they'd do it again with a cupboard stocked with early picks. High risk, medium reward. If they didn't show up we'd be far weaker. Often you don't get these guys to report right away, until they figure out their options. Garland was here at 16, but didn't show up for camp. Malatesta is 18 in his first year in the Q. Liam Murphy is 16 and should be very good down the road. Askew was acquired in a trade so he doesn't really count. We have a few other guys on our current list that we are working on to report next year ... including Chad Krys. I don't mind that approach though even if you do have higher picks. Any advantage a bigger market can create for themselves, they should take. Having good American scouts in place to be able to pluck "3rd/4th round talent" later on in the draft is a huge asset. From the 7th round on, players that play a regular roster spot are few and far between. It seems there's a higher ratio of late American picks that crack CHL rosters, because a lot of teams don't scout the American leagues as thoroughly as they do the Canadian ones. |
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 27, 2015 10:05:14 GMT -4
I think it's safe to say the Moncton way is the right approach since they're still playing hockey while you guys are discussing the draft. Still not sure how Moncton managed to draft 1/2 an American. You're the one who titled the thread "Picking Americans in the Midget Draft". |
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Post by mooseinfo on Apr 27, 2015 10:31:42 GMT -4
Moncton's approach was done out of necessity due to a lack of higher draft picks over the last few years. I think with more picks in the early rounds we'd use them on lower risk options ... Quebec/Atlantic kids. The US picks were done to try to replace those 1st, 2nd and 3rd Rd guys we couldn't get without the picks. It has paid off for us in that it moved our rebuild along nicely, but I don't think they'd do it again with a cupboard stocked with early picks. High risk, medium reward. If they didn't show up we'd be far weaker. Often you don't get these guys to report right away, until they figure out their options. Garland was here at 16, but didn't show up for camp. Malatesta is 18 in his first year in the Q. Liam Murphy is 16 and should be very good down the road. Askew was acquired in a trade so he doesn't really count. We have a few other guys on our current list that we are working on to report next year ... including Chad Krys. I don't mind that approach though even if you do have higher picks. Any advantage a bigger market can create for themselves, they should take. Having good American scouts in place to be able to pluck "3rd/4th round talent" later on in the draft is a huge asset. From the 7th round on, players that play a regular roster spot are few and far between. It seems there's a higher ratio of late American picks that crack CHL rosters, because a lot of teams don't scout the American leagues as thoroughly as they do the Canadian ones. I feel 7th round on should all be high risk/high reward. No sense taking guys you think have a small chance to develop or to fill a 4th line role later. You can always pick up FAs for that and ones you know are ready as fillers. High picks are tricky as the Moose have found out. They hit big time with Erne (trade) so its hard to say not to take those players early but they have to do a better job of being sure if going 3rd or higher. Last minute changes happen. Avoiding NCAA strong families seems to be the key in recent examples as they often are just kicking tires in Halifax. |
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Post by Citris on Apr 30, 2015 23:41:54 GMT -4
I think it's safe to say the Moncton way is the right approach since they're still playing hockey while you guys are discussing the draft. Moncton still playing hockey eh? That didn't last too long for ya now did it? |
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 4, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -4
Thought I would make a comment since things are so dead. I was thinking it would be refreshing to have an American come right out at the draft and say he will be in Halifax, such as 2nd round pick Jimmy Sharrow did some years back. Can't remember the year he was drafted, but I remember him saying he would be coming for sure and he was true to his word.
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Post by sjc on May 4, 2015 17:44:23 GMT -4
If Eichel would have reported, Halifax would have won 3 in a row. Its a risk you have to be willing to take.
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Post by Citris on May 4, 2015 20:26:38 GMT -4
Thought I would make a comment since things are so dead. I was thinking it would be refreshing to have an American come right out at the draft and say he will be in Halifax, such as 2nd round pick Jimmy Sharrow did some years back. Can't remember the year he was drafted, but I remember him saying he would be coming for sure and he was true to his word. He did not say he'd be coming for sure. He said he was honored to be selected in the first round. We also got Fortier with the compensation pick, Which I am more than happy with. |
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 4, 2015 20:49:40 GMT -4
Thought I would make a comment since things are so dead. I was thinking it would be refreshing to have an American come right out at the draft and say he will be in Halifax, such as 2nd round pick Jimmy Sharrow did some years back. Can't remember the year he was drafted, but I remember him saying he would be coming for sure and he was true to his word. He did not say he'd be coming for sure. He said he was honored to be selected in the first round. We also got Fortier with the compensation pick, Which I am more than happy with. Are u sure u replied to the right person? I was talking about Sharrow not Eichel. |
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Post by Citris on May 4, 2015 23:10:13 GMT -4
Are u sure u replied to the right person? I was talking about Sharrow not Eichel. Lol, uhh... ignore me. I don't know how I read your post the way I did. Yes I agree it would be nice to know from draft day if an american is comming XD |
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