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Post by Reesor on Aug 14, 2015 18:46:33 GMT -4
You think it's going to be called the Moncton Centre. All of the sudden there are cost overruns and a little extra money is needed, and it ends up being called the Codiac centre or the Kabanov centre. Looks great! Can't wait to pop up and watch a game in it.
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Post by mongoose on Aug 14, 2015 20:10:58 GMT -4
You think it's going to be called the Moncton Centre. All of the sudden there are cost overruns and a little extra money is needed, and it ends up being called the Codiac centre or the Kabanov centre. Looks great! Can't wait to pop up and watch a game in it. Don't plan on driving, as there won't be much parking. Just like most development in Moncton, infrastructure is an after thought.
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Post by ronmac on Aug 15, 2015 9:42:04 GMT -4
I don't plan on waiting for 20 minutes for a bus to then transfer onto another bus to get home either.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Aug 17, 2015 7:54:55 GMT -4
Beautiful looking facility, but with no parking, not very attractive walking 10 or 15 minutes to the rink and then the same after the game, especialy in minus 20 or 25, mostly everyone I have spoken with say when the new rink opens that's when there season tickets end, they will just pick and chose there games. Those seats will be bought up by new hockey fans who will be excited to go to a modern rink with modern conveniences in the downtown pub core, vs. the old Colliseum on the outskirts. There are way too many positives that should greatly outnumber someone having to put a little thought or a bit of extra time into parking.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 17, 2015 8:14:19 GMT -4
One thing I would like to see them at least consider the feasibility of would be improving the City's indoor walkway system - when compared to Saint John and Halifax, ours sucks. A 5-10 minute walk to your car is much more bearable in winter if a large part of the walk can be done inside vs. outside on a frigid sidewalk.
Right now, City Hall connects to the Blue Cross Centre - then you have to go outside to access the Delta - from the Delta you can make it as far as Scotia Bank, and that's it. I will be the first to admit I have no idea what is involved, from a cost, engineering, or property rights perspective - but I think the City should at least be willing to explore the possibility of connecting the Downtown Events Centre via pedways and tunnels to the city core ...
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Post by lirette on Aug 17, 2015 8:15:14 GMT -4
Beautiful looking facility, but with no parking, not very attractive walking 10 or 15 minutes to the rink and then the same after the game, especialy in minus 20 or 25, mostly everyone I have spoken with say when the new rink opens that's when there season tickets end, they will just pick and chose there games. Those seats will be bought up by new hockey fans who will be excited to go to a modern rink with modern conveniences in the downtown pub core, vs. the old Colliseum on the outskirts. There are way too many positives that should greatly outnumber someone having to put a little thought or a bit of extra time into parking. Exactly, not to generalize too hard but this rink is targeted to the younger demographic. The 20-40's types that will tend to go out after games or go out before games. I can tell you in my office alone I know quite a few people who say they will start attending games once the coliseum is gone and this thing is built. The entire idea behind this location move is improve the downtown "city life" that the younger generation has shown to value over convenience. Unfortanutely Moncton is a city that has been trained in convienence and theres a general stigma attached to anyone using public transportation that they are poor. This facility hopes to improve on that mentality. I would say though there is still a lot of work to be done to improve the public transit before this thing is built. Right now the only reason to even go to the downtown is go to a bar/restaurant besides the odd event on the waterfront during the prime summer months. This creates an environment where lets say on a Saturday afternoon game a family or friends could head down to the Moncton Market for a few hours, then head to a pub for lunch/drinks then get to the game early and hang around the public plaza/watch warmups. Theyre making an entire day out of it and spending more money. I think once some of the naysayers attend a game here the fact that this will be a world class facility might override their negativity of the inconveniences. If that happens you are getting both demographics and this thing will be a huge success. Its hard to imagine the Wildcats having a home opener where you can actually sit in a comfortable air conditioned building..but 3 years from now we will experience it.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 17, 2015 9:19:25 GMT -4
We have been spoiled for 40 years with the Coliseum and its giant convenient parking lot. Halifax and Saint John have great facilities in their downtown without dedicated parking (SJ has some parking onsite) and people have to adjust and find a place to park off-site. That can mean a 5 or 10 minute walk.
I am use to parking my car for free and walking the 4 mins to the front door from where I park. And then getting in my car 5 mins after the 3 stars are announced, and out of the parking lot in 2 mins (you have to know where to park). That won't be the reality anymore with the new building.
We as the fans want to make this work ... want the new facility to be a success and not a black mark. It is up to us to adapt to the changes and adjust our expectations a little for this new way of doing things. If we don't adapt to the changes in parking, then the team will suffer (lower attendance) and so will the facility.
Nobody likes change ... but change can be very good. Embrace it ... don't shit on it ... do whatever it takes to make it work for you.
Some suggestions:
1. They should consider using that big empty parking lot behind Honda and Nissan, and a run a shuttle or two, on nights where larger than normal crowds will be there. 2. Off-site parking with shuttles can be very useful. Park at the old Riverview Mall (for Riverview residents), and take a shuttle ($5 for a return trip, or $50 for a season pass). Use the Coliseum parking lot like they do for large events at the concert site or the Stadium. 3. Get all of those private lot owners on-board and get them to sell a season pass for their lots for event nights. I'd probably pay $75-100 for a season pass to a well located private lot.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 17, 2015 9:48:21 GMT -4
We have been spoiled for 40 years with the Coliseum and its giant convenient parking lot. Halifax and Saint John have great facilities in their downtown without dedicated parking (SJ has some parking onsite) and people have to adjust and find a place to park off-site. That can mean a 5 or 10 minute walk. I am use to parking my car for free and walking the 4 mins to the front door from where I park. And then getting in my car 5 mins after the 3 stars are announced, and out of the parking lot in 2 mins (you have to know where to park). That won't be the reality anymore with the new building. We as the fans want to make this work ... want the new facility to be a success and not a black mark. It is up to us to adapt to the changes and adjust our expectations a little for this new way of doing things. If we don't adapt to the changes in parking, then the team will suffer (lower attendance) and so will the facility. Nobody likes change ... but change can be very good. Embrace it ... don't shit on it ... do whatever it takes to make it work for you. Some suggestions: 1. They should consider using that big empty parking lot behind Honda and Nissan, and a run a shuttle or two, on nights where larger than normal crowds will be there. 2. Off-site parking with shuttles can be very useful. Park at the old Riverview Mall (for Riverview residents), and take a shuttle ($5 for a return trip, or $50 for a season pass). Use the Coliseum parking lot like they do for large events at the concert site or the Stadium. 3. Get all of those private lot owners on-board and get them to sell a season pass for their lots for event nights. I'd probably pay $75-100 for a season pass to a well located private lot. I like the park-n-ride idea ... If they had 3-4 large lots around Metro (one in Riverview, one in Dieppe, one in North End, etc.) where people could leave their car on event nights to take a shuttle downtown, that would probably be a big help with traffic flow. Going to be an adjustment for people to get used to either paying to park downtown, or paying for shuttle ... but IMO, a state of the art building makes it worthwhile.
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Post by lirette on Aug 17, 2015 10:00:14 GMT -4
We have been spoiled for 40 years with the Coliseum and its giant convenient parking lot. Halifax and Saint John have great facilities in their downtown without dedicated parking (SJ has some parking onsite) and people have to adjust and find a place to park off-site. That can mean a 5 or 10 minute walk. I am use to parking my car for free and walking the 4 mins to the front door from where I park. And then getting in my car 5 mins after the 3 stars are announced, and out of the parking lot in 2 mins (you have to know where to park). That won't be the reality anymore with the new building. We as the fans want to make this work ... want the new facility to be a success and not a black mark. It is up to us to adapt to the changes and adjust our expectations a little for this new way of doing things. If we don't adapt to the changes in parking, then the team will suffer (lower attendance) and so will the facility. Nobody likes change ... but change can be very good. Embrace it ... don't shit on it ... do whatever it takes to make it work for you. Some suggestions: 1. They should consider using that big empty parking lot behind Honda and Nissan, and a run a shuttle or two, on nights where larger than normal crowds will be there. 2. Off-site parking with shuttles can be very useful. Park at the old Riverview Mall (for Riverview residents), and take a shuttle ($5 for a return trip, or $50 for a season pass). Use the Coliseum parking lot like they do for large events at the concert site or the Stadium. 3. Get all of those private lot owners on-board and get them to sell a season pass for their lots for event nights. I'd probably pay $75-100 for a season pass to a well located private lot. These are all good ideas. Can you attend the next City Council meetings regarding public input into the event centre and present all of our message board ideas? I don't want to have to find parking downtown to go
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Post by wildwilliesgrampy on Aug 17, 2015 10:47:32 GMT -4
here's my take on what should happen. multi level parking garage on the east end of the old highfield square parking lot , by the subway.connecting the garage to the codiac center would be a pedway. then another pedway to the center from crown plaza. i believe that the owner of crown plaza bought the old Acadian lines property at main and bonnacord. a new hotel there again joined to the garage via pedway would allow fans to get from the garage to either hotel and of course the codiac center.saint john and Halifax have pedways that are very appreciated in the cold winter weather walking from venue to venue without freezing your butt off. i can't see the new venue being called anything else besides the codiac center....one big "c" starting the words codaic and center.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 17, 2015 10:57:13 GMT -4
We have been spoiled for 40 years with the Coliseum and its giant convenient parking lot. Halifax and Saint John have great facilities in their downtown without dedicated parking (SJ has some parking onsite) and people have to adjust and find a place to park off-site. That can mean a 5 or 10 minute walk. I am use to parking my car for free and walking the 4 mins to the front door from where I park. And then getting in my car 5 mins after the 3 stars are announced, and out of the parking lot in 2 mins (you have to know where to park). That won't be the reality anymore with the new building. We as the fans want to make this work ... want the new facility to be a success and not a black mark. It is up to us to adapt to the changes and adjust our expectations a little for this new way of doing things. If we don't adapt to the changes in parking, then the team will suffer (lower attendance) and so will the facility. Nobody likes change ... but change can be very good. Embrace it ... don't shit on it ... do whatever it takes to make it work for you. Some suggestions: 1. They should consider using that big empty parking lot behind Honda and Nissan, and a run a shuttle or two, on nights where larger than normal crowds will be there. 2. Off-site parking with shuttles can be very useful. Park at the old Riverview Mall (for Riverview residents), and take a shuttle ($5 for a return trip, or $50 for a season pass). Use the Coliseum parking lot like they do for large events at the concert site or the Stadium. 3. Get all of those private lot owners on-board and get them to sell a season pass for their lots for event nights. I'd probably pay $75-100 for a season pass to a well located private lot. Some good points in there. Here in Sydney our rink is downtown but there's adequate parking. The convenience of the downtown rink far outweighs any free or close parking can provide on the outskirts of town. I think for some people getting used to using public transit is a chore yet it can actually save people lots of money in the long term. No gas to drive to the old arena, and the added benefit of some exercise in getting to the bus stop then from the stop to the arena. Then you add in the social benefits. I know my for my own benefit it's a lot easier to get friends or my girlfriend interested in a game if we can get out for a bite to eat or couple of drinks somewhere close to the arena before or after a game. But I admit we'd fall into the demographic of the 20-40 crowd that most say these things are being designed for. After some initial growing pains I think everyone will love a nice new downtown rink, especially if it can help bring some bigger events such as concerts into the region.
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Post by lirette on Aug 17, 2015 11:04:07 GMT -4
here's my take on what should happen. multi level parking garage on the east end of the old highfield square parking lot , by the subway.connecting the garage to the codiac center would be a pedway. then another pedway to the center from crown plaza. i believe that the owner of crown plaza bought the old Acadian lines property at main and bonnacord. a new hotel there again joined to the garage via pedway would allow fans to get from the garage to either hotel and of course the codiac center.saint john and Halifax have pedways that are very appreciated in the cold winter weather walking from venue to venue without freezing your butt off. i can't see the new venue being called anything else besides the codiac center....one big "c" starting the words codaic and center. I believe the big issue with these parking garages is cost. The estimated cost of the garages are $25,000 per parking space. You are looking at $25 million for 1000 spots. Likely this is the reason they never included it in their original proposal as they would have been unlikely to receive the funding. If you said all of those 1000 spots were being used for their projected 150 events per year (includes cats games) at 5 dollars a night (2-3$ more than what harbor station charges) you would only bring in 750,000 a year. It would take 33 years to get back 25 million, and that's not factoring in yearly maintenance costs included in something like this as well as wages for the workers etc.
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Post by Dugger on Aug 17, 2015 13:03:37 GMT -4
I was just discussing the parking concerns some people are having with the Events Centre with a friend of mine from Halifax. He was telling me that he didn't go to many Moosehead games but for the ones he did he has had to park as far away as on the other side of the Citadel by Citadel High School, which for comparisons sake would be like parking at City Hall or so and walking from there.
We have been spoiled for parking which isn't a bad thing but if the cost of having a world class event centre is dispersing the parking throughout the vicinity to cut down on building costs as well as promote public integration into the downtown core than so be it.
The subsequent development spurred by the Event Centre is almost as exciting as the centre itself, this is truly a renaissance time for this city and for the region.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 17, 2015 13:29:36 GMT -4
I was just discussing the parking concerns some people are having with the Events Centre with a friend of mine from Halifax. He was telling me that he didn't go to many Moosehead games but for the ones he did he has had to park as far away as on the other side of the Citadel by Citadel High School, which for comparisons sake would be like parking at City Hall or so and walking from there. We have been spoiled for parking which isn't a bad thing but if the cost of having a world class event centre is dispersing the parking throughout the vicinity to cut down on building costs as well as promote public integration into the downtown core than so be it. The subsequent development spurred by the Event Centre is almost as exciting as the centre itself, this is truly a renaissance time for this city and for the region. Halifax has several parking options near their arena if you are willing to pay.
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Post by Dugger on Aug 17, 2015 18:50:18 GMT -4
I was just discussing the parking concerns some people are having with the Events Centre with a friend of mine from Halifax. He was telling me that he didn't go to many Moosehead games but for the ones he did he has had to park as far away as on the other side of the Citadel by Citadel High School, which for comparisons sake would be like parking at City Hall or so and walking from there. We have been spoiled for parking which isn't a bad thing but if the cost of having a world class event centre is dispersing the parking throughout the vicinity to cut down on building costs as well as promote public integration into the downtown core than so be it. The subsequent development spurred by the Event Centre is almost as exciting as the centre itself, this is truly a renaissance time for this city and for the region. Halifax has several parking options near their arena if you are willing to pay. True, but the closest one of note is Scotia Square parking garage and that is roughly the distance to ALC, if you talk about the water front or Purdy's Wharf, you're talking roughly Assumption Plaza. The only thing that some of them have over Moncton is that a few are connected to the Metro Centre by enclosed walkways. Moncton has plenty of parking options, what is needed is a clear indication of where these parking option are for easy reference (more than just a large "P" to indicate). The Moncton Events Centre will have 3000 spots within a 10 minute walk which is pretty much in line with the Metro Centre with Scotia Square at 1700, Purdy's Wharf at 1088. Both centres are roughly in line with each other, the only difference is public familiarity with the available parking and public mind set on said parking.
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