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Post by nibs on Aug 27, 2015 19:31:46 GMT -4
Interesting news coming out of North Dakota State University today. The school will PAY athletes who are playing on school teams – football was the identified sport. Apparently this is in keeping with new NCAA guidelines.
As a sidebar, North Dakota State University spent $20,618,000 on its sports programs in 2014.
I have looked through NCAA websites trying to find the new eligibility guidelines, without success.
The question becomes more muddled: If an NCAA school can pay a salary to their athletes, does this mean the kids playing hockey in the CHL will have their financial restrictions lifted?
Addendum: (The Bismark Tribune) The NCAA-approved cost-of-attendance-based scholarship is money for student-athlete expenses beyond tuition, fees, room, board and books. In NDSU's case, a full-scholarship athlete will receive $3,400 per year to do as they wish
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Post by yurireeka on Aug 27, 2015 19:49:39 GMT -4
Interesting news coming out of North Dakota State University today. The school will PAY athletes who are playing on school teams – football was the identified sport. Apparently this is in keeping with new NCAA guidelines. As a sidebar, North Dakota State University spent $20,618,000 on its sports programs in 2014. I have looked through NCAA websites trying to find the new eligibility guidelines, without success. The question becomes more muddled: If an NCAA school can pay a salary to their athletes, does this mean the kids playing hockey in the CHL will have their financial restrictions lifted? Addendum: (The Bismark Tribune) The NCAA-approved cost-of-attendance-based scholarship is money for student-athlete expenses beyond tuition, fees, room, board and books. In NDSU's case, a full-scholarship athlete will receive $3,400 per year to do as they wishthis is the same as a CHL player will get roughly
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Post by bigdumrockett on Aug 28, 2015 4:15:49 GMT -4
From what I have read, a number of NCAA hockey teams are implementing this. Will this change anything for guys protecting their NCAA eligibility?
Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I most usually am), but the CHL is seen as a pro league since the players are getting paid. If college players are now too...will a guy not have to leave camp early to protect his eligibility? Would they be allowed to play in exhibition games, increasing the likelihood of them signing here?
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 28, 2015 12:41:13 GMT -4
From what I have read, a number of NCAA hockey teams are implementing this. Will this change anything for guys protecting their NCAA eligibility? Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I most usually am), but the CHL is seen as a pro league since the players are getting paid. If college players are now too...will a guy not have to leave camp early to protect his eligibility? Would they be allowed to play in exhibition games, increasing the likelihood of them signing here? NCAA calling CHL pros is their decision and they can still claim it if they so chose. I expect it would take some kind of legal challenge to this from a player or CHL. IMO best would be a player that already lost eligibility but had a scholarship already approved prior to losing eligibility.
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Post by Gman on Aug 28, 2015 12:58:59 GMT -4
From what I have read, a number of NCAA hockey teams are implementing this. Will this change anything for guys protecting their NCAA eligibility? Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I most usually am), but the CHL is seen as a pro league since the players are getting paid. If college players are now too...will a guy not have to leave camp early to protect his eligibility? Would they be allowed to play in exhibition games, increasing the likelihood of them signing here? NCAA calling CHL pros is their decision and they can still claim it if they so chose. I expect it would take some kind of legal challenge to this from a player or CHL. IMO best would be a player that already lost eligibility but had a scholarship already approved prior to losing eligibility. It would be incredibly hypocritical for them to claim CHL is a pro league because players are given a small allowance to live on, when they not only cover tuition, books, and accommodations for their student athletes which can be $40000-$50000+ per year, but are now paying them an additional $3400 living expenses on top of it. Factor in how much money they make from Varsity sports, and it quickly looks like a professional league.... more so than the CHL. They can obviously do whatever they want, but if someone was to challenge it in court, it may get overturned. Depends on what it is about the CHL they consider "Pro" because money is no longer a factor.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 28, 2015 13:14:20 GMT -4
NCAA calling CHL pros is their decision and they can still claim it if they so chose. I expect it would take some kind of legal challenge to this from a player or CHL. IMO best would be a player that already lost eligibility but had a scholarship already approved prior to losing eligibility. It would be incredibly hypocritical for them to claim CHL is a pro league because players are given a small allowance to live on, when they not only cover tuition, books, and accommodations for their student athletes which can be $40000-$50000+ per year, but are now paying them an additional $3400 living expenses on top of it. Factor in how much money they make from Varsity sports, and it quickly looks like a professional league.... more so than the CHL. They can obviously do whatever they want, but if someone was to challenge it in court, it may get overturned. Depends on what it is about the CHL they consider "Pro" because money is no longer a factor. It also depends how they decide to administer those extra funds. Yes hypocritical but its been that way for the most part prior to this. They also have to decide on the tax aspect as well and issues like that will make for an interesting situation. Schools can bend the rules more so than a team in the CHL.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 28, 2015 13:26:43 GMT -4
NCAA calling CHL pros is their decision and they can still claim it if they so chose. I expect it would take some kind of legal challenge to this from a player or CHL. IMO best would be a player that already lost eligibility but had a scholarship already approved prior to losing eligibility. It would be incredibly hypocritical for them to claim CHL is a pro league because players are given a small allowance to live on, when they not only cover tuition, books, and accommodations for their student athletes which can be $40000-$50000+ per year, but are now paying them an additional $3400 living expenses on top of it. Factor in how much money they make from Varsity sports, and it quickly looks like a professional league.... more so than the CHL. They can obviously do whatever they want, but if someone was to challenge it in court, it may get overturned. Depends on what it is about the CHL they consider "Pro" because money is no longer a factor. Can you challenge that in court though? It's their league and their rules. The international part of it would throw an extra added complication as well for any litigation. Would be interesting to see how challenging it goes. Considering the money behind the schools I think it's a waste of time and money trying to fight them because by the time you win you'd already be gone elsewhere.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 28, 2015 13:36:13 GMT -4
It would be incredibly hypocritical for them to claim CHL is a pro league because players are given a small allowance to live on, when they not only cover tuition, books, and accommodations for their student athletes which can be $40000-$50000+ per year, but are now paying them an additional $3400 living expenses on top of it. Factor in how much money they make from Varsity sports, and it quickly looks like a professional league.... more so than the CHL. They can obviously do whatever they want, but if someone was to challenge it in court, it may get overturned. Depends on what it is about the CHL they consider "Pro" because money is no longer a factor. Can you challenge that in court though? It's their league and their rules. The international part of it would throw an extra added complication as well for any litigation. Would be interesting to see how challenging it goes. Considering the money behind the schools I think it's a waste of time and money trying to fight them because by the time you win you'd already be gone elsewhere. They have Presidents going on about their old University sports teams. So they definitely have lots of alumni covering their backs. Internationally the US is pretty good though legally. For example I got a refund sent from a US bankruptcy, purchased from Canada, and it was very easy. Just a form with the information, they had sent me a notice, to file.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 28, 2015 13:52:28 GMT -4
Can you challenge that in court though? It's their league and their rules. The international part of it would throw an extra added complication as well for any litigation. Would be interesting to see how challenging it goes. Considering the money behind the schools I think it's a waste of time and money trying to fight them because by the time you win you'd already be gone elsewhere. They have Presidents going on about their old University sports teams. So they definitely have lots of alumni covering their backs. Internationally the US is pretty good though legally. For example I got a refund sent from a US bankruptcy, purchased from Canada, and it was very easy. Just a form with the information, they had sent me a notice, to file. Yeah but consumer trade among the 2 countries is usually pretty good. In the case of a class action suit against the NCAA by Canadian kids wanting eligibility...I don't think it would be quite as smooth lol
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 28, 2015 14:30:20 GMT -4
They have Presidents going on about their old University sports teams. So they definitely have lots of alumni covering their backs. Internationally the US is pretty good though legally. For example I got a refund sent from a US bankruptcy, purchased from Canada, and it was very easy. Just a form with the information, they had sent me a notice, to file. Yeah but consumer trade among the 2 countries is usually pretty good. In the case of a class action suit against the NCAA by Canadian kids wanting eligibility...I don't think it would be quite as smooth lol I would expect it could include both. There are American kids in the CHL and ones going to Non-paying schools that will have issues down the road. As stated, like most things, the ones with the money (backing) are hard to fight in court.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 28, 2015 14:44:16 GMT -4
From what I have read, a number of NCAA hockey teams are implementing this. Will this change anything for guys protecting their NCAA eligibility? Correct me if I'm wrong here (and I most usually am), but the CHL is seen as a pro league since the players are getting paid. If college players are now too...will a guy not have to leave camp early to protect his eligibility? Would they be allowed to play in exhibition games, increasing the likelihood of them signing here? Probably not, this rule is just for the NCAA not to lose 16 and 17 year olds to the CHL, once they are there, the elite ones would probably not switch to NCAA at 18-19 as they are usually NHL drafted. Would cost them the Eichels Toews Millers Parises etc
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Post by MikeC on Aug 28, 2015 16:30:44 GMT -4
NCAA calling CHL pros is their decision and they can still claim it if they so chose. I expect it would take some kind of legal challenge to this from a player or CHL. IMO best would be a player that already lost eligibility but had a scholarship already approved prior to losing eligibility. It would be incredibly hypocritical for them to claim CHL is a pro league because players are given a small allowance to live on, when they not only cover tuition, books, and accommodations for their student athletes which can be $40000-$50000+ per year, but are now paying them an additional $3400 living expenses on top of it. It's not just the stipend CHL teams pay the players, it's that NHL signed players are allowed to play in the CHL.
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Post by nibs on Aug 28, 2015 19:10:48 GMT -4
Connor Moynihan has been playing in Halifax and has finished high school. He is considering going to university, and decides to study at Saint Mary's while playing his last year in the Q.
Next year, he decides to go home and study at Harvard - a Tier I NCAA school. Is he eligible to play for Harvard?
His receiving an allowance is little different than a player who is on the team being paid an honourarium by the school.
This would be the scenario where I could see a civil action coming forward.
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Post by mooseinfo on Aug 28, 2015 22:56:48 GMT -4
It would be incredibly hypocritical for them to claim CHL is a pro league because players are given a small allowance to live on, when they not only cover tuition, books, and accommodations for their student athletes which can be $40000-$50000+ per year, but are now paying them an additional $3400 living expenses on top of it. It's not just the stipend CHL teams pay the players, it's that NHL signed players are allowed to play in the CHL. Its the one exhibition game rule that shows why this is a joke. If it was the start of the regular season then they have made the team but until then they are getting no more than playing intersquad.
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