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Post by SteveUL on Oct 5, 2015 8:38:25 GMT -4
Regarding Quebec (reading through this thread so a little late on the discussion) ... they have a brand new rink. But with that comes with the very real threat of the City getting an NHL Expansion team, or a relocated franchise. Thinking of that, I would think that a full rebuild is not the approach that the owners would want to take as they may only have 2 more years to cash in on the big crowds. They may work to remain competitive for the next two years, while pushing off a full rebuild for a few seasons, when they actually have a few higher end picks.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Oct 5, 2015 9:51:32 GMT -4
Regarding Quebec (reading through this thread so a little late on the discussion) ... they have a brand new rink. But with that comes with the very real threat of the City getting an NHL Expansion team, or a relocated franchise. Thinking of that, I would think that a full rebuild is not the approach that the owners would want to take as they may only have 2 more years to cash in on the big crowds. They may work to remain competitive for the next two years, while pushing off a full rebuild for a few seasons, when they actually have a few higher end picks. Unfortunately for the Mooseheads Quebec will benefit from playing in a division with Baie Comeau and Chicoutimi who are bottom feeders. Shawinigan is the only real legit contender in that division despite Rimouski's early start. That said, if Quebec stays right about where they are then the pick(s) the Mooseheads get are around #5-#9 ( the pick would be #7 as of right now so just setting a range) and the 3rd rounder for 2016 about #42-#46 as 18 picks in each round and assuming CB takes the #9 pick for giving up the rights to Bowers. So at worst I say the Mooseheads get #9 and #46 from Quebec which isn't great but not terrible. Our own pick will probably be close to a lottery pick because our division is so stacked.
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Post by Reesor on Oct 5, 2015 13:29:49 GMT -4
As long as the Moose's two first round picks are in the top 10, they should be able to pony up a pretty convincing package to snag the #1 overall pick should they wish to do so. If Chicoutimi or whoever are not willing to give that up, then I'd be happy with two picks in the top 10. Hopefully Donaghey can get the Moose at least a 1st rounder and we can just stockpile picks. Of course being able to trade Danny and Timo would be a bonus if the stars align.
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Post by nsvees on Oct 5, 2015 13:59:57 GMT -4
As long as the Moose's two first round picks are in the top 10, they should be able to pony up a pretty convincing package to snag the #1 overall pick should they wish to do so. If Chicoutimi or whoever are not willing to give that up, then I'd be happy with two picks in the top 10. Hopefully Donaghey can get the Moose at least a 1st rounder and we can just stockpile picks. Of course being able to trade Danny and Timo would be a bonus if the stars align. I know it's probably too early to determine which players will likely be taken early in the QMJHL Midget Draft right now. There was talk earlier of Xavier Parent requesting the Excpetional Status for early entry. There was talk of the Nova Scotian defenceman Jared MacIsaac, playing in the NSMMHL (Cole Harbour I think. I'm guessing if he's available early on, the Moose would likely pick him or move up to pick him). It'll be interesting to see who jumps up into that category of early first round picks. I'd really like to add at least 1 more first round pick, just to have the flexibility to move up if they have a kid in mind they just have to have. But I wouldn't mind if they kept all their picks and just add to the cupboards. The more early picks the better, but let's be realistic. The Mooseheads have a chance, if they do it right and things work out for them, to set themselves up for a big run in a couple of years; probably not a 2012-2014 type run, but a team that can be pretty damn good for 2-3 years.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Oct 5, 2015 14:26:17 GMT -4
We really need to draft some offense. I am not sure if they would go with MacIsaac, but being local and if he is the best player available then I guess they would take him.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Oct 5, 2015 15:51:53 GMT -4
We really need to draft some offense. I am not sure if they would go with MacIsaac, but being local and if he is the best player available then I guess they would take him. From what I have heard with the draft being so strong we may get him with the Quebec pick even if it midpack.
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Post by nsvees on Oct 5, 2015 15:59:53 GMT -4
We really need to draft some offense. I am not sure if they would go with MacIsaac, but being local and if he is the best player available then I guess they would take him. Since it's likely they'll have at least 2 no. 1 picks (barring trades), they'd take MacIsaac with one of them and a high end skill forward with the other.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 11, 2016 8:36:46 GMT -4
Halifax is now alone in 17th place. No way Baie-Comeau is catching us... they're solid in last.
Sherbrooke and Charlottetown should be better than they are. If Sherbrook gets everyone healthy, I can't see them falling back any farther. Charlottetown improved at the deadline, and with the addition of Sprong, they definitely won't slide back any more. That leaves Bathurst and Blainville to "worry about". Bathurst is better than us with a healthy lineup. They have a couple key injuries right now to Morand and Brisebois. Hopefully that won't make them tank too much. They added at the deadline as well.
The only team I'd be concerned with is Blainville. But looking at the remaining schedule for the Moose and the Armada, they're quite similar. If SHA, RN, VD, GAT, MCT and CB are perceived to the the strongest teams, games remaining between them and Halifax / Blainville
Halifax: CB x3, MCT x3, GAT x1, VD x1, RN x1, SHA x1
Blainvile: SHA x2, RN x2, GAT x2, VD x1, MCT x1, CB x1
Definitely don't want to be a Debbie Downer. I'll hope for these guys every time I watch them play.
How much better are Groulx / McIsaac than the rest of the top 5 in next year's draft?
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Post by Gman on Jan 11, 2016 9:23:55 GMT -4
Halifax is now alone in 17th place. No way Baie-Comeau is catching us... they're solid in last. Sherbrooke and Charlottetown should be better than they are. If Sherbrook gets everyone healthy, I can't see them falling back any farther. Charlottetown improved at the deadline, and with the addition of Sprong, they definitely won't slide back any more. That leaves Bathurst and Blainville to "worry about". Bathurst is better than us with a healthy lineup. They have a couple key injuries right now to Morand and Brisebois. Hopefully that won't make them tank too much. They added at the deadline as well. The only team I'd be concerned with is Blainville. But looking at the remaining schedule for the Moose and the Armada, they're quite similar. If SHA, RN, VD, GAT, MCT and CB are perceived to the the strongest teams, games remaining between them and Halifax / Blainville Halifax: CB x3, MCT x3, GAT x1, VD x1, RN x1, SHA x1 Blainvile: SHA x2, RN x2, GAT x2, VD x1, MCT x1, CB x1 Definitely don't want to be a Debbie Downer. I'll hope for these guys every time I watch them play. How much better are Groulx / McIsaac than the rest of the top 5 in next year's draft? I don't have any knowledge of these players but from what I've read, it seems like a pretty big drop from #2 - #3.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jan 11, 2016 11:39:02 GMT -4
So I guess if we finish 3 or 4th this would be where we pull out our extra draft picks to move up.
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Post by Gman on Jan 11, 2016 12:34:34 GMT -4
So I guess if we finish 3 or 4th this would be where we pull out our extra draft picks to move up. Maybe. Gotta keep in mind that very often with highly regarded prospects, you don't get the mileage out of them that you would with a 2nd tier one. MacKinnon came to Halifax during a perfect time where they were ready to compete, but what if he came at a down time? Was it worth even acquiring him? Likely not, as he would have been here the 2 years, win nothing, then he's gone. Same goes for MacIsaac and Groulx. If the team has no plans of winning by 2018, then it's not worth the risk of those guys jumping to the NHL in 2018-2019 (assuming no late birthdays- I'm too lazy to check)
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Post by bois on Jan 11, 2016 12:36:14 GMT -4
So I guess if we finish 3 or 4th this would be where we pull out our extra draft picks to move up. Maybe. Gotta keep in mind that very often with highly regarded prospects, you don't get the mileage out of them that you would with a 2nd tier one. MacKinnon came to Halifax during a perfect time where they were ready to compete, but what if he came at a down time? Was it worth even acquiring him? Likely not, as he would have been here the 2 years, win nothing, then he's gone. Same goes for MacIsaac and Groulx. If the team has no plans of winning by 2018, then it's not worth the risk of those guys jumping to the NHL in 2018-2019 (assuming no late birthdays- I'm too lazy to check) always worth taking the best player if you're not in position to win or go on deep run.. you have option of trading that player for boatload most players give you at least 3 years...... not many MacKinnon situations
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Post by Citris on Jan 11, 2016 12:38:13 GMT -4
Maybe. Gotta keep in mind that very often with highly regarded prospects, you don't get the mileage out of them that you would with a 2nd tier one. MacKinnon came to Halifax during a perfect time where they were ready to compete, but what if he came at a down time? Was it worth even acquiring him? Likely not, as he would have been here the 2 years, win nothing, then he's gone. Same goes for MacIsaac and Groulx. If the team has no plans of winning by 2018, then it's not worth the risk of those guys jumping to the NHL in 2018-2019 (assuming no late birthdays- I'm too lazy to check) That's why I want MacIsaac more than Groulx. It's very rare that you see a defenseman in the NHL at 19, let alone at 18. MacIsaac should be with the team until 2020-2021.
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Post by Gman on Jan 11, 2016 12:50:51 GMT -4
Maybe. Gotta keep in mind that very often with highly regarded prospects, you don't get the mileage out of them that you would with a 2nd tier one. MacKinnon came to Halifax during a perfect time where they were ready to compete, but what if he came at a down time? Was it worth even acquiring him? Likely not, as he would have been here the 2 years, win nothing, then he's gone. Same goes for MacIsaac and Groulx. If the team has no plans of winning by 2018, then it's not worth the risk of those guys jumping to the NHL in 2018-2019 (assuming no late birthdays- I'm too lazy to check) always worth taking the best player if you're not in position to win or go on deep run.. you have option of trading that player for boatload most players give you at least 3 years...... not many MacKinnon situations Yeah absolutely worth taking the player if your pick can land the player. I'm referring to trading up like JS was suggesting. Wouldn't want to burn a bunch of assets for a 2 year player when the team isn't poised to win. Even if you did trade him, you'd probably break even at best.
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Post by Reesor on Jan 11, 2016 14:32:30 GMT -4
Elite Prospects has a good spot to gather info on the top ranked 2018 NHL draft prospects, which is a decent spot to gather info on the top 2016 Q draft eligible players. www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?year=2018One player to keep an eye on is Olivier Wahlstrom. Dual USA/Sweden citizenship. Is from Portland, ME, which would make him Q draft eligible if I'm not mistaken. Currently playing for Shattuck St. Mary's Prep school, and, according to eliteprospects, is committed to Harvard. Would definitely fit in with our plans should we be able to convince him to report. Could be another Eichel situation though. Same spot, different year: The 2017 NHL draft list might be a good spot to check out top Euro picks for this coming Import draft. www.eliteprospects.com/draftcenter.php?sort=nation&year=2017&layout=&ranking=&pos=&nation=&league=&con=
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