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Post by gtsoc on Oct 4, 2015 15:03:45 GMT -4
Many people have different opinions on who's to blame. 1. There is a rule against taking one's helmet off. So whatever automatic suspension that is given for that is deserved, but I still don't hold him responsible. 2. Garland is yapping lots, but he also gets yapped at lots. The difference with him is it pumps him up and he produces better as a result. There is no rules against that. 3. Coach didn't start him on the PP. That 30 secs of PP time he was given was probably going to he the last in the final 5-7 minutes of the game. That has to he frustrating for Garland to have his icetime reduced because he producing too much... which might be why he dropped the gloves. He figured it was his last shift amyway. 4. Garland missed part of training camp and the first few games. It has already been rumored in the past that he is not yhe most liked player in the dressing room. Maybe he wanted to prove to his teammates that he could take one for the team... if that's the case he failed miserably. 5. We can blame the league for all the rules to crack down on fighting and let the players police themselves, but before 5-6 years ago, we would see knockouts in fights 2 or 3 times a year... or with a big hit. The difference is it wasn't the best players that were usually fighting. My opinion about this... the ref didn't have a bad game. It was simply tough to call with the shit show Cape Breton brought to the rink. But at the end of a game, when there is a 3 goals lead, on a night with so many dirty hits, the refs should have recognize the situation and have zero tolerance on the cross checks that were given to Garland. Every argument is worthy of discussion, but i think the refs at that specific moment are the ones to take most of the blame. As I said i still think they had a good game overall. Sent from my SGH-I337M using proboards There is no fight if Conor Garland doesn't instigate the fight. There is no fight if Darren Rumble puts Conor Garland out in a 5-2 game with 2 and a half minutes left in a dirty game. Every argument is worth of discussion, but i think Conor Garland and Darren Rumble at that specific moment are the ones to take most of the blame.
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Post by forrest on Oct 4, 2015 15:19:00 GMT -4
Many people have different opinions on who's to blame. 1. There is a rule against taking one's helmet off. So whatever automatic suspension that is given for that is deserved, but I still don't hold him responsible. 2. Garland is yapping lots, but he also gets yapped at lots. The difference with him is it pumps him up and he produces better as a result. There is no rules against that. 3. Coach didn't start him on the PP. That 30 secs of PP time he was given was probably going to he the last in the final 5-7 minutes of the game. That has to he frustrating for Garland to have his icetime reduced because he producing too much... which might be why he dropped the gloves. He figured it was his last shift amyway. 4. Garland missed part of training camp and the first few games. It has already been rumored in the past that he is not yhe most liked player in the dressing room. Maybe he wanted to prove to his teammates that he could take one for the team... if that's the case he failed miserably. 5. We can blame the league for all the rules to crack down on fighting and let the players police themselves, but before 5-6 years ago, we would see knockouts in fights 2 or 3 times a year... or with a big hit. The difference is it wasn't the best players that were usually fighting. My opinion about this... the ref didn't have a bad game. It was simply tough to call with the shit show Cape Breton brought to the rink. But at the end of a game, when there is a 3 goals lead, on a night with so many dirty hits, the refs should have recognize the situation and have zero tolerance on the cross checks that were given to Garland. Every argument is worthy of discussion, but i think the refs at that specific moment are the ones to take most of the blame. As I said i still think they had a good game overall. Sent from my SGH-I337M using proboards There is no fight if Conor Garland doesn't instigate the fight. There is no fight if Darren Rumble puts Conor Garland out in a 5-2 game with 2 and a half minutes left in a dirty game. Every argument is worth of discussion, but i think Conor Garland and Darren Rumble at that specific moment are the ones to take most of the blame. Ther is no fight without players. There is no fight without a coach. The problem is ther is no hockey game without those two components. Sent from my SGH-I337M using proboards
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Post by mullycat on Oct 4, 2015 20:36:48 GMT -4
I agree thing have gotten out of hand. One thing I don't agree with was the Garland spear in the first game. But like you said slot of tensions are boiling over due to both teams being frustrated. And if intact Martineau took the helmet off by all means suspension. I like the Wildcats organization, I just hope both teams shake this play between each other. Because of both teams decided to play it could be a very skilled game to watch with the talent on both teams Garland doesn't spear anybody if he doesn't have to deal with all the CB garbage all game ... it all goes back to trash hockey brought by CB. Everybody blames Garland for being yappy ... but he just yaps at players that are yapping at him. He gives and takes and keeps it going but he doesn't go out on the ice to start shit ... he just responds to it. He becomes a target because his is so good. Are you serious!! He just yaps at players that yap at him?? Your joking right? Garlands mouth never stops yapping, and that's at both, players and officials. If you have ever played this game you will know and understand why opposing players take liberties with him as well as why someone never came to his rescue. This happened all last year as well. He needs to stop the constant mouth going and provoking players that are gonna kick the sh&t out of him eventually. Keep poking the bear and then what? we shoot the bear? Rumble and garland are both responsible for this. He should have never been on the ice. Yes a 3 goal lead can be turned around but with time that was left and on a powerplay with the direction the game was headed the star player should have been on the bench. Stupid decision by Rumble and stupid decision by garland for initiating a fight that he wasn't going to win . Get off the "CB garbage all game" excuse. You wouldn't know we had a team full of future Lady Bing Trophy winners. Both teams can share blame for this fiasco. I hope he is fine as we all know now what concussions can cause down the road.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 4, 2015 21:39:34 GMT -4
I think it's a lie to blame everything on Cape Breton. There was a lot of bad blood on both sides after Wednesday. Rumuble doesn't like Cape breton playing chippy, then he calls them cowards...I'm sure that's the formula to have them ease up next game...brilliant!
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Post by sjc on Oct 5, 2015 7:49:15 GMT -4
I think it's a lie to blame everything on Cape Breton. There was a lot of bad blood on both sides after Wednesday. Rumuble doesn't like Cape breton playing chippy, then he calls them cowards...I'm sure that's the formula to have them ease up next game...brilliant! chippy is not the word for Cape Bretons play lately. Dirty or reckless suit it better.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Oct 5, 2015 9:34:14 GMT -4
All very interesting comments and each are worth discussing. The bottom line here is that putting Garland in that situation in a game (rough game) that was already decided is totally stupid on his part. Then, to add insult to injury Garland initiates the altercation. As far as Garland yapping, he does it constantly, he took an obvious penalty for tripping and whined all the way to the penalty box.Also I sometimes wonder who is running this team, Rumble or Garland? He goes on and comes off when he wants, some of the Moncton posters in the playoffs last year even commented on the long shifts he was playing. Believe it or not,I noticed in the game in Sydney, Garland was over by the bench waiting for a Moncton powerplay to start and he was pointing on the bench to who he wanted on the powerplay with him. Too bad the kid got hurt but it is only going to get worse if he keeps up this whining and hotdogging act.
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Post by juniorcormier16 on Oct 5, 2015 13:57:18 GMT -4
I am not defending anyone here as I am an Islanders fan, However Garland puts him self into these situations he yaps and showboats enough gets under the skin of the other players however if you are going to do all that fine but you better watch your self He initiates the fight and then gets hurt that is his old fault.
Second it was a stupid move to put a player like him out when the game has already been decided on the PP just adds insult to injury.
Garland if he is going to play this way which he has been since he came into the league he is going to be getting into situations where he cant get out of like a fight or someone going after him. Its just a matter of who is going to do it to him first as i am surprised he has not gotten the snot kicked out of him yet the way he goes on some nights.
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Post by jazz on Oct 5, 2015 17:39:00 GMT -4
I see Martineau got 3 games and Svechnikov got 2 games suspension.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 5, 2015 17:54:48 GMT -4
I see Martineau got 3 games and Svechnikov got 2 games suspension. Svechnikov should be 5 and Martineau should be one or less.
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Post by forrest on Oct 5, 2015 18:02:04 GMT -4
I see Martineau got 3 games and Svechnikov got 2 games suspension. I think Martineau should only have gotten the automatic 1 game suspension for removing the helmet. I wish CB's coach would have gotten a suspension for his goon-style coaching. 3 checking from behind in the same game nowadays is pretty bad and is a sign of coach not controlling his players or worse controlling them to play dangerously.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 5, 2015 18:28:13 GMT -4
I see Martineau got 3 games and Svechnikov got 2 games suspension. I think Martineau should only have gotten the automatic 1 game suspension for removing the helmet. I wish CB's coach would have gotten a suspension for his goon-style coaching. 3 checking from behind in the same game nowadays is pretty bad and is a sign of coach not controlling his players or worse controlling them to play dangerously. Both Dumont and Rumble were suspended for one game and fined $2000. Where the incidents were all one sided ... inflicted by CB on Moncton players (not including the Martineau/Garland incident) ... their suspensions/fines should not be similar. However, their suspensions/fines may be related to the new rules on fights and numbers of fights in a game, etc.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Oct 5, 2015 20:00:16 GMT -4
I see Martineau got 3 games and Svechnikov got 2 games suspension. How the heck does the league justify these suspensions? The guy who threw an incredibly dangerous hit from behind gets two games and the one who removed a helmet gets three games. Completely foolish. There's no way Martineau should have gotten more than the automatic one game and really I'm not even sure Garland's helmet coming off was anything more than an accident anyway. Is there going to be a thorough review every time a helmet comes off during a fight now? What a strange precedent the league is setting here.
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Post by downthemiddle on Oct 5, 2015 20:13:55 GMT -4
Read on the Eagles board a helmet came off in Sundays game too, let the fun begin? Ahhh never expect this league to make sense I suppose.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 6, 2015 6:32:20 GMT -4
I see Martineau got 3 games and Svechnikov got 2 games suspension. How the heck does the league justify these suspensions? The guy who threw an incredibly dangerous hit from behind gets two games and the one who removed a helmet gets three games. Completely foolish. There's no way Martineau should have gotten more than the automatic one game and really I'm not even sure Garland's helmet coming off was anything more than an accident anyway. Is there going to be a thorough review every time a helmet comes off during a fight now? What a strange precedent the league is setting here. I think it is simply because of th injuries. Holwell was not injured ... Garland was. IMO injuries should never come into it. It is the act that should get punished ... the outcome on Svechnikov's hit could have been career ending ... but Holwell somehow dodged a bullet. Players will get injured in less violent hits and get more than 2 games. Svechnikov's hit was violent and seemingly on purpose. He had all sorts of time to avoid and he chose not to. He was intent on putting Holwell through the boards. Considering injuries is a very flawed approach. The absence of injury does not soften a violent act. I guess the league wants the players to dole out the punishment. Svechnikov better not turn his back on anybody near the boards. Bower, Weiderer and MacEwan were suspended one game each for fights in the last 5 mins. Did CB get the same suspensions for the guys they fought ?
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Oct 6, 2015 7:57:17 GMT -4
How the heck does the league justify these suspensions? The guy who threw an incredibly dangerous hit from behind gets two games and the one who removed a helmet gets three games. Completely foolish. There's no way Martineau should have gotten more than the automatic one game and really I'm not even sure Garland's helmet coming off was anything more than an accident anyway. Is there going to be a thorough review every time a helmet comes off during a fight now? What a strange precedent the league is setting here. I think it is simply because of th injuries. Holwell was not injured ... Garland was. IMO injuries should never come into it. It is the act that should get punished ... the outcome on Svechnikov's hit could have been career ending ... but Holwell somehow dodged a bullet. Players will get injured in less violent hits and get more than 2 games. Svechnikov's hit was violent and seemingly on purpose. He had all sorts of time to avoid and he chose not to. He was intent on putting Holwell through the boards. Considering injuries is a very flawed approach. The absence of injury does not soften a violent act. I guess the league wants the players to dole out the punishment. Svechnikov better not turn his back on anybody near the boards. Bower, Weiderer and MacEwan were suspended one game each for fights in the last 5 mins. Did CB get the same suspensions for the guys they fought ? Wiederer and Leveille both got 1 game for second fight in the same stoppage, Bower and McEwan were instigator and agressor of their fights, therefor the CB players didn't get a suspension, even if it was in the last 5 min of the game. theqmjhl.ca/suspension-and-fines-2015-16/If the suspensions had been one sided as some people wanted it would have been a shit show in the next game as one team would feel untouchable over the other team
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