Eagle
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Post by Eagle on Nov 3, 2015 11:06:02 GMT -4
This article leads me to think there is an issue within the Wildcats organization and their commitments with certain players that have potential to develop into top players ... question is why and who makes these calls.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 3, 2015 11:23:43 GMT -4
Can you summarize the article?
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Post by catnut on Nov 3, 2015 11:30:07 GMT -4
Can you summarize the article? Basically saying that Corson should be playing instead of wasting another season in the stands. He's adding that several players have seen their development stunted by not playing for long periods of time. He mentions Daoust, Olivier, Jacob. He says that they should have done like they did this year with Cyr and send Corson to MAAA last year instead of moving him around and then bring him up to the Cats for the second half and not playing him. I found some of his facts are incorrect but there seems to be a development issue with several draft picks.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 11:33:58 GMT -4
This article leads me to think there is an issue within the Wildcats organization and their commitments with certain players that have potential to develop into top players ... question is why and who makes these calls. Nothing you can do to make Corson develop into a top player. I have not seen anything from him that leads me to believe he will ever be a top line guy or even a 2nd line guy. From what I heard from billets, he has the maturity of a 12 year old, which doesn't help his development.
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tal
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Post by tal on Nov 3, 2015 11:46:14 GMT -4
From what I heard from billets, he has the maturity of a 12 year old, which doesn't help his development. A little too personal of information for the board?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 11:54:37 GMT -4
From what I heard from billets, he has the maturity of a 12 year old, which doesn't help his development. A little too personal of information for the board? How is that personal?
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2015 11:56:02 GMT -4
Can you summarize the article? Basically saying that Corson should be playing instead of wasting another season in the stands. He's adding that several players have seen their development stunted by not playing for long periods of time. He mentions Daoust, Olivier, Jacob. He says that they should have done like they did this year with Cyr and send Corson to MAAA last year instead of moving him around and then bring him up to the Cats for the second half and not playing him. I found some of his facts are incorrect but there seems to be a development issue with several draft picks. I realize that you are just the messenger ... Corson came to the Cats last year because he was going to miss 2/3 of the season in MAAA and it would cost his family something like $6000+ to hold his spot on the team. He came here before he was ready to play ... came here to work out with Graham Black and rehab the shoulder. I don't think there was a better option for him last year once he got hurt. The Wildcats did send him back to MAAA from training camp ... but he got hurt long term. What they did this year for Cyr is the same they did for Corson ... except they sent Corson back to a higher end Midget league than they could send Cyr ... so he went to Jr A. He should be playing more ... Crossman gets more games (11 vs 6) but when Crossman is on the ice you notice him and he has had some really good showings. I also notice Corson when he plays but only because I know he is dressed and I want to see what he can do ... not because he stands out on the ice. Both Corson and Crossman, and Leger and now Cormier are being held back because we haven't had any long term injuries (that should start the injury train a rolling ... like yelling shutout). They are all competing for the same icetime and only two can dress at a time. I know Billy will pipe up about 19 YO MacEwan being in their way, and that is correct. But I see real improvement and contribution from MacEwan, and his size, work ethic, and faceoff prowess are valuable in the lineup. We are a better team with MacEwan in the lineup ... but that has to be balanced with development better than it has been. If Dieppe could work out a deal to get Corson's Jr A rights, then that would probably be the best for him. Also keep in mind, taking Corson in Rd 2 was a reach and he is probably a guy that should have been taken in Rd 4 or 5. The expectations are probably higher on him because Shannon took him too early. But ... maybe he'll break out at some point and we'll all be thankful for that early pick.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 12:01:53 GMT -4
Basically saying that Corson should be playing instead of wasting another season in the stands. He's adding that several players have seen their development stunted by not playing for long periods of time. He mentions Daoust, Olivier, Jacob. He says that they should have done like they did this year with Cyr and send Corson to MAAA last year instead of moving him around and then bring him up to the Cats for the second half and not playing him. I found some of his facts are incorrect but there seems to be a development issue with several draft picks. I realize that you are just the messenger ... Corson came to the Cats last year because he was going to miss 2/3 of the season in MAAA and it would cost his family something like $6000+ to hold his spot on the team. He came here before he was ready to play ... came here to work out with Graham Black and rehab the shoulder. I don't think there was a better option for him last year once he got hurt. The Wildcats did send him back to MAAA from training camp ... but he got hurt long term. What they did this year for Cyr is the same they did for Corson ... except they sent Corson back to a higher end Midget league than they could send Cyr ... so he went to Jr A. He should be playing more ... Crossman gets more games (11 vs 6) but when Crossman is on the ice you notice him and he has had some really good showings. I also notice Corson when he plays but only because I know he is dressed and I want to see what he can do ... not because he stands out on the ice. Both Corson and Crossman, and Leger and now Cormier are being held back because we haven't had any long term injuries (that should start the injury train a rolling ... like yelling shutout). They are all competing for the same icetime and only two can dress at a time. I know Billy will pipe up about 19 YO MacEwan being in their way, and that is correct. But I see real improvement and contribution from MacEwan, and his size, work ethic, and faceoff prowess are valuable in the lineup. We are a better team with MacEwan in the lineup ... but that has to be balanced with development better than it has been. If Dieppe could work out a deal to get Corson's Jr A rights, then that would probably be the best for him. Also keep in mind, taking Corson in Rd 2 was a reach and he is probably a guy that should have been taken in Rd 4 or 5. The expectations are probably higher on him because Shannon took him too early. But ... maybe he'll break out at some point and we'll all be thankful for that early pick. If MacEwen is that valuable, he should be playing higher up in the lineup, not on the 4th line playing 10 minutes a game. Unless you are a powerhouse team going for the Memorial Cup, carrying a #5-6 D or 4th liner that is 19 makes no sense.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2015 14:27:31 GMT -4
I realize that you are just the messenger ... Corson came to the Cats last year because he was going to miss 2/3 of the season in MAAA and it would cost his family something like $6000+ to hold his spot on the team. He came here before he was ready to play ... came here to work out with Graham Black and rehab the shoulder. I don't think there was a better option for him last year once he got hurt. The Wildcats did send him back to MAAA from training camp ... but he got hurt long term. What they did this year for Cyr is the same they did for Corson ... except they sent Corson back to a higher end Midget league than they could send Cyr ... so he went to Jr A. He should be playing more ... Crossman gets more games (11 vs 6) but when Crossman is on the ice you notice him and he has had some really good showings. I also notice Corson when he plays but only because I know he is dressed and I want to see what he can do ... not because he stands out on the ice. Both Corson and Crossman, and Leger and now Cormier are being held back because we haven't had any long term injuries (that should start the injury train a rolling ... like yelling shutout). They are all competing for the same icetime and only two can dress at a time. I know Billy will pipe up about 19 YO MacEwan being in their way, and that is correct. But I see real improvement and contribution from MacEwan, and his size, work ethic, and faceoff prowess are valuable in the lineup. We are a better team with MacEwan in the lineup ... but that has to be balanced with development better than it has been. If Dieppe could work out a deal to get Corson's Jr A rights, then that would probably be the best for him. Also keep in mind, taking Corson in Rd 2 was a reach and he is probably a guy that should have been taken in Rd 4 or 5. The expectations are probably higher on him because Shannon took him too early. But ... maybe he'll break out at some point and we'll all be thankful for that early pick. If MacEwen is that valuable, he should be playing higher up in the lineup, not on the 4th line playing 10 minutes a game. Unless you are a powerhouse team going for the Memorial Cup, carrying a #5-6 D or 4th liner that is 19 makes no sense. I don't disagree ... but our 4th line plays more than most teams ... more than 10 minutes a game ... depends on how the game is going. MacEwan is also on the PP and does get subbed into the Top 6 during most games when changes are needed. Crossman might play just 10 minutes a game when he is in the lineup ... but MacEwan plays quite a bit more. But I 100% agree ... having guys like MacEwan in that role block the advancement of Corson and Crossman. I don't really have a concern for the amount of ice time that Crossman gets ... I think he is coming along nicely.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 14:34:04 GMT -4
If MacEwen is that valuable, he should be playing higher up in the lineup, not on the 4th line playing 10 minutes a game. Unless you are a powerhouse team going for the Memorial Cup, carrying a #5-6 D or 4th liner that is 19 makes no sense. I don't disagree ... but our 4th line plays more than most teams ... more than 10 minutes a game ... depends on how the game is going. MacEwan is also on the PP and does get subbed into the Top 6 during most games when changes are needed. Crossman might play just 10 minutes a game when he is in the lineup ... but MacEwan plays quite a bit more. But I 100% agree ... having guys like MacEwan in that role block the advancement of Corson and Crossman. I don't really have a concern for the amount of ice time that Crossman gets ... I think he is coming along nicely. I don't think Corson belongs in the Q, maybe a year in junior A and he becomes a QMJHLer, but jumping from high school to the Q and barely playing last year, he doesn't look like he belongs. There are others who could use that ice time to develop. Same for Bornstein and Tesink on D ahead of Guay.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2015 14:41:16 GMT -4
I don't disagree ... but our 4th line plays more than most teams ... more than 10 minutes a game ... depends on how the game is going. MacEwan is also on the PP and does get subbed into the Top 6 during most games when changes are needed. Crossman might play just 10 minutes a game when he is in the lineup ... but MacEwan plays quite a bit more. But I 100% agree ... having guys like MacEwan in that role block the advancement of Corson and Crossman. I don't really have a concern for the amount of ice time that Crossman gets ... I think he is coming along nicely. I don't think Corson belongs in the Q, maybe a year in junior A and he becomes a QMJHLer, but jumping from high school to the Q and barely playing last year, he doesn't look like he belongs. There are others who could use that ice time to develop. Same for Bornstein and Tesink on D ahead of Guay. Tesink is getting to play and Guay has sat out from time to time. I think Bornstein would be a better option also to share the icetime with Tesink, but I think he is the guy that went to play in Austria. It is doubtful that he'd turn around for that and come back now. I think we will see some changes at Xmas ... and we can't go on forever without hitting some injuries that bring these guys into the lineup fulltime for a stretch. the last few games I have seen from Tesink I see him getting comfortable and confident. I think that will spell the end of Guay at some point. Maybe we could trade Guay to Bathurst for McCullum.
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Post by Eagle on Nov 3, 2015 14:41:46 GMT -4
You also have Leger on the 4th line and he's only 18. He seems to be working harder and getting more icetime. Got an assist on the first powerplay goal against Bathurst. Could it be that coach Rumble is starting to see something in this kid.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2015 14:43:19 GMT -4
I don't disagree ... but our 4th line plays more than most teams ... more than 10 minutes a game ... depends on how the game is going. MacEwan is also on the PP and does get subbed into the Top 6 during most games when changes are needed. Crossman might play just 10 minutes a game when he is in the lineup ... but MacEwan plays quite a bit more. But I 100% agree ... having guys like MacEwan in that role block the advancement of Corson and Crossman. I don't really have a concern for the amount of ice time that Crossman gets ... I think he is coming along nicely. I don't think Corson belongs in the Q, maybe a year in junior A and he becomes a QMJHLer, but jumping from high school to the Q and barely playing last year, he doesn't look like he belongs. There are others who could use that ice time to develop. Same for Bornstein and Tesink on D ahead of Guay. Corson going to Dieppe would be ideal if that could be worked out ... even Amherst would be a location for him.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2015 14:46:38 GMT -4
You also have Leger on the 4th line and he's only 18. He seems to be working harder and getting more icetime. Got an assist on the first powerplay goal against Bathurst. Could it be that coach Rumble is starting to see something in this kid. I don't see him working harder ... and he has always had the skill to put up points from time to time. But the fact that Rumble gave him some PP time suggests that the Coach is rewarding him for something ... probably working harder in practice. He can definitely put up points ... but he has to learn to play away from the puck. With him it is like a the light goes off when the puck is on the other team's stick ... and comes back on when we get the puck back.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 14:48:16 GMT -4
I don't think Corson belongs in the Q, maybe a year in junior A and he becomes a QMJHLer, but jumping from high school to the Q and barely playing last year, he doesn't look like he belongs. There are others who could use that ice time to develop. Same for Bornstein and Tesink on D ahead of Guay. Tesink is getting to play and Guay has sat out from time to time. I think Bornstein would be a better option also to share the icetime with Tesink, but I think he is the guy that went to play in Austria. It is doubtful that he'd turn around for that and come back now. I think we will see some changes at Xmas ... and we can't go on forever without hitting some injuries that bring these guys into the lineup fulltime for a stretch. the last few games I have seen from Tesink I see him getting comfortable and confident. I think that will spell the end of Guay at some point. Maybe we could trade Guay to Bathurst for McCullum. Bornstein is playing for Woodstock I think. McKenna is the guy in Austria.
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