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Post by Arnold Slick on Nov 3, 2015 14:48:19 GMT -4
Can you summarize the article? Basically saying that Corson should be playing instead of wasting another season in the stands. He's adding that several players have seen their development stunted by not playing for long periods of time. He mentions Daoust, Olivier, Jacob. He says that they should have done like they did this year with Cyr and send Corson to MAAA last year instead of moving him around and then bring him up to the Cats for the second half and not playing him. I found some of his facts are incorrect but there seems to be a development issue with several draft picks. Don't really understand some of the players he brings up as being a development issue because they didn't get to play enough. D'Aoust was just never that good and a poor 4th round choice. Olivier is an OK player and I seem to recall him playing a quite a bit at 16. Didn't really progress much last season and the Cats got a good return for him in a trade. Not bad for a 7th round choice. I thought Jacob should have played more last season, but considering the lack of production from him in Chicoutimi it looks like the Cats were correct on that one. He also brings up Mark Tremaine and that one makes no sense either. He played plenty at 17 and 18 and never showed much in the way of offence so they didn't feel the need to keep him at 19. Produced a bit more with Victoriaville and Saint John, but not exactly a star player that was stunted because of no playing time. |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 3, 2015 15:01:34 GMT -4
Basically saying that Corson should be playing instead of wasting another season in the stands. He's adding that several players have seen their development stunted by not playing for long periods of time. He mentions Daoust, Olivier, Jacob. He says that they should have done like they did this year with Cyr and send Corson to MAAA last year instead of moving him around and then bring him up to the Cats for the second half and not playing him. I found some of his facts are incorrect but there seems to be a development issue with several draft picks. Don't really understand some of the players he brings up as being a development issue because they didn't get to play enough. D'Aoust was just never that good and a poor 4th round choice. Olivier is an OK player and I seem to recall him playing a quite a bit at 16. Didn't really progress much last season and the Cats got a good return for him in a trade. Not bad for a 7th round choice. I thought Jacob should have played more last season, but considering the lack of production from him in Chicoutimi it looks like the Cats were correct on that one. He also brings up Mark Tremaine and that one makes no sense either. He played plenty at 17 and 18 and never showed much in the way of offence so they didn't feel the need to keep him at 19. Produced a bit more with Victoriaville and Saint John, but not exactly a star player that was stunted because of no playing time. Yeah ... D'Aoust had some good tools but could never put it all together ... sort of like a bull in a china shop. Olivier played a lot here ... but in his final year here he sort of plateaued and got behind a few other young guys that were working harder and cutting into his icetime. Jacob ... again ... lots of good tools ... but never really put it all together. Tremaine ... really ? he mentioned him ? |
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Post by catnut on Nov 3, 2015 15:03:53 GMT -4
Don't really understand some of the players he brings up as being a development issue because they didn't get to play enough. D'Aoust was just never that good and a poor 4th round choice. Olivier is an OK player and I seem to recall him playing a quite a bit at 16. Didn't really progress much last season and the Cats got a good return for him in a trade. Not bad for a 7th round choice. I thought Jacob should have played more last season, but considering the lack of production from him in Chicoutimi it looks like the Cats were correct on that one. He also brings up Mark Tremaine and that one makes no sense either. He played plenty at 17 and 18 and never showed much in the way of offence so they didn't feel the need to keep him at 19. Produced a bit more with Victoriaville and Saint John, but not exactly a star player that was stunted because of no playing time. Yeah ... D'Aoust had some good tools but could never put it all together ... sort of like a bull in a china shop. Olivier played a lot here ... but in his final year here he sort of plateaued and got behind a few other young guys that were working harder and cutting into his icetime. Jacob ... again ... lots of good tools ... but never really put it all together. Tremaine ... really ? he mentioned him ? Daoust also kept getting injured. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 15:52:24 GMT -4
Yeah ... D'Aoust had some good tools but could never put it all together ... sort of like a bull in a china shop. Olivier played a lot here ... but in his final year here he sort of plateaued and got behind a few other young guys that were working harder and cutting into his icetime. Jacob ... again ... lots of good tools ... but never really put it all together. Tremaine ... really ? he mentioned him ? Daoust also kept getting injured. I was going to mention that. D'aoust had a lot of shoulder injuries, makes it hard when you're a physical player. |
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Post by HockeyMan1968 on Nov 3, 2015 17:23:07 GMT -4
You also have Leger on the 4th line and he's only 18. He seems to be working harder and getting more icetime. Got an assist on the first powerplay goal against Bathurst. Could it be that coach Rumble is starting to see something in this kid. I don't see him working harder ... and he has always had the skill to put up points from time to time. But the fact that Rumble gave him some PP time suggests that the Coach is rewarding him for something ... probably working harder in practice. He can definitely put up points ... but he has to learn to play away from the puck. With him it is like a the light goes off when the puck is on the other team's stick ... and comes back on when we get the puck back. I believe that the coach doesn't understand that you cannot develop in Practise only. These players such as Corson, Leger, Cormier aren't really being given a fair chance. Try different lines, switch players etc. Make them be hungry to be and stay in the lineup. Not only for the one's sitting out, but for the rest of the team too. It's too early to make predictions now about the playoffs, but if they continue like this, they will be throwing in the towel. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 3, 2015 17:44:06 GMT -4
I don't see him working harder ... and he has always had the skill to put up points from time to time. But the fact that Rumble gave him some PP time suggests that the Coach is rewarding him for something ... probably working harder in practice. He can definitely put up points ... but he has to learn to play away from the puck. With him it is like a the light goes off when the puck is on the other team's stick ... and comes back on when we get the puck back. I believe that the coach doesn't understand that you cannot develop in Practise only. These players such as Corson, Leger, Cormier aren't really being given a fair chance. Try different lines, switch players etc. Make them be hungry to be and stay in the lineup. Not only for the one's sitting out, but for the rest of the team too. It's too early to make predictions now about the playoffs, but if they continue like this, they will be throwing in the towel. Leger and Cormier have been given a lot of chances. Leger seems to need a kick in the pants from time to time. Cormier is not skilled enough to be on a scoring line. Corson, to me he only made the team because he was a high pick and they were trying to save face. He belongs in Jr.A or MAAA. If they flop at playoff time it won't be because Corson Leger and Cormier never got a chance, it will be because their defense and goaltending is a big weakness and their forwards are too small overall. |
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Post by lirette on Nov 3, 2015 19:40:10 GMT -4
I don't see him working harder ... and he has always had the skill to put up points from time to time. But the fact that Rumble gave him some PP time suggests that the Coach is rewarding him for something ... probably working harder in practice. He can definitely put up points ... but he has to learn to play away from the puck. With him it is like a the light goes off when the puck is on the other team's stick ... and comes back on when we get the puck back. I believe that the coach doesn't understand that you cannot develop in Practise only. These players such as Corson, Leger, Cormier aren't really being given a fair chance. Try different lines, switch players etc. Make them be hungry to be and stay in the lineup. Not only for the one's sitting out, but for the rest of the team too. It's too early to make predictions now about the playoffs, but if they continue like this, they will be throwing in the towel. Cormier has been given more than a fair chance. He's only been a scratch 3 times this year and played 52 games last year including 5-10 games on the top line. The 4th line gets a decent amount of ice with Rumble and hes mixes up lines more than any coach I've seen here. He's got good size and he's physical so that keeps him in the lineup most nights since we have a smaller team. I dont see any issues really with his development. |
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Post by newcomer2015 on Nov 4, 2015 12:46:56 GMT -4
I realize that you are just the messenger ... Corson came to the Cats last year because he was going to miss 2/3 of the season in MAAA and it would cost his family something like $6000+ to hold his spot on the team. He came here before he was ready to play ... came here to work out with Graham Black and rehab the shoulder. I don't think there was a better option for him last year once he got hurt. The Wildcats did send him back to MAAA from training camp ... but he got hurt long term. What they did this year for Cyr is the same they did for Corson ... except they sent Corson back to a higher end Midget league than they could send Cyr ... so he went to Jr A. He should be playing more ... Crossman gets more games (11 vs 6) but when Crossman is on the ice you notice him and he has had some really good showings. I also notice Corson when he plays but only because I know he is dressed and I want to see what he can do ... not because he stands out on the ice. Both Corson and Crossman, and Leger and now Cormier are being held back because we haven't had any long term injuries (that should start the injury train a rolling ... like yelling shutout). They are all competing for the same icetime and only two can dress at a time. I know Billy will pipe up about 19 YO MacEwan being in their way, and that is correct. But I see real improvement and contribution from MacEwan, and his size, work ethic, and faceoff prowess are valuable in the lineup. We are a better team with MacEwan in the lineup ... but that has to be balanced with development better than it has been. If Dieppe could work out a deal to get Corson's Jr A rights, then that would probably be the best for him. Also keep in mind, taking Corson in Rd 2 was a reach and he is probably a guy that should have been taken in Rd 4 or 5. The expectations are probably higher on him because Shannon took him too early. But ... maybe he'll break out at some point and we'll all be thankful for that early pick. If MacEwen is that valuable, he should be playing higher up in the lineup, not on the 4th line playing 10 minutes a game. Unless you are a powerhouse team going for the Memorial Cup, carrying a #5-6 D or 4th liner that is 19 makes no sense. So, I rarely post on these boards but being an Islanders fan, I wish we had MacEwen. I've seen him play a lot over here and I don't think you will find a kid with a bigger heart or better work ethic. Just looked at his stats and he could be on the top three lines of 15 of the 18 teams in the Q according to points and according to you guys, he is on the 4th line in Moncton. Everyone puts way to much stock in drafts. We have a first round pick here in Charlottetown that we paid quite a bit for that has the same amount of points and is the same age as MacEwen....and he is on our second line and top PP. I am actually surprised looking at your teams stats....MacEwen has more shots and dangerous shots than the Klimas but the points don't seem to translate from this. Maybe it's playing with less skilled guys that are in and out of the line up all the time that don't finish? |
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Post by catnut on Nov 4, 2015 12:55:18 GMT -4
If MacEwen is that valuable, he should be playing higher up in the lineup, not on the 4th line playing 10 minutes a game. Unless you are a powerhouse team going for the Memorial Cup, carrying a #5-6 D or 4th liner that is 19 makes no sense. So, I rarely post on these boards but being an Islanders fan, I wish we had MacEwen. I've seen him play a lot over here and I don't think you will find a kid with a bigger heart or better work ethic. Just looked at his stats and he could be on the top three lines of 15 of the 18 teams in the Q according to points and according to you guys, he is on the 4th line in Moncton. Everyone puts way to much stock in drafts. We have a first round pick here in Charlottetown that we paid quite a bit for that has the same amount of points and is the same age as MacEwen....and he is on our second line and top PP. I am actually surprised looking at your teams stats....MacEwen has more shots and dangerous shots than the Klimas but the points don't seem to translate from this. Maybe it's playing with less skilled guys that are in and out of the line up all the time that don't finish? Having more shots and dangerous shots, wouldn't that mean that it's him who doesn't finish? |
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Post by newcomer2015 on Nov 4, 2015 13:03:49 GMT -4
So, I rarely post on these boards but being an Islanders fan, I wish we had MacEwen. I've seen him play a lot over here and I don't think you will find a kid with a bigger heart or better work ethic. Just looked at his stats and he could be on the top three lines of 15 of the 18 teams in the Q according to points and according to you guys, he is on the 4th line in Moncton. Everyone puts way to much stock in drafts. We have a first round pick here in Charlottetown that we paid quite a bit for that has the same amount of points and is the same age as MacEwen....and he is on our second line and top PP. I am actually surprised looking at your teams stats....MacEwen has more shots and dangerous shots than the Klimas but the points don't seem to translate from this. Maybe it's playing with less skilled guys that are in and out of the line up all the time that don't finish? Having more shots and dangerous shots, wouldn't that mean that it's him who doesn't finish? Yeah, I suppose so. I only saw him play here once and he had two assists but he was on with Askew I think. I would still like to have him on the Islanders just to play the role of Ross Johnson from last year....we need some size. |
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Post by bois on Nov 4, 2015 14:02:06 GMT -4
Having more shots and dangerous shots, wouldn't that mean that it's him who doesn't finish? Yeah, I suppose so. I only saw him play here once and he had two assists but he was on with Askew I think. I would still like to have him on the Islanders just to play the role of Ross Johnson from last year....we need some size. so you've seen him play alot over here and then you've only seen him once i can see why you rarely post |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 4, 2015 14:18:09 GMT -4
Yeah, I suppose so. I only saw him play here once and he had two assists but he was on with Askew I think. I would still like to have him on the Islanders just to play the role of Ross Johnson from last year....we need some size. so you've seen him play alot over here and then you've only seen him once i can see why you rarely post I think he was referring to years prior ... because in the Q he has not played a whole lot in PEI. Last year with Amherst he would have been there often, and years before that he would have been playing Midget in the Charlottetown area (I assume). I like him. He isn't the smoothest skater ... doesn't have the best hands ... but he is big boy that gives you an honest effort every shift. He has been encouraged to play physical and has taken on that task very well. He is also quite good on faceoffs ... at least best on our team that take faceoffs regularly ... and will drop the gloves to defend his teammates when needed. But he is a 19 YO playing on line 3.5. He plays 4th line but also gets shuffled onto higher lines as needed, and also gets PP time ... playing the role of "big guy in front of the net". But his presence keeps younger guys like Crossman and Corson out of the lineup more. I don't see him figuring into our 20 YO mix next year with the current crop we have as 19 YOs, but things change. I think a decision on him is coming around Xmas. He is a tradable asset but not going to generate a big return ... maybe a 5th from somebody wanting a big center on a 3rd line with some versatility. If we deal players away then he probably has a spot here ... but if we add to our forward group, trading youth, then maybe he is on the outside looking in. |
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Post by newcomer2015 on Nov 4, 2015 15:37:09 GMT -4
so you've seen him play alot over here and then you've only seen him once i can see why you rarely post I think he was referring to years prior ... because in the Q he has not played a whole lot in PEI. Last year with Amherst he would have been there often, and years before that he would have been playing Midget in the Charlottetown area (I assume). I like him. He isn't the smoothest skater ... doesn't have the best hands ... but he is big boy that gives you an honest effort every shift. He has been encouraged to play physical and has taken on that task very well. He is also quite good on faceoffs ... at least best on our team that take faceoffs regularly ... and will drop the gloves to defend his teammates when needed. But he is a 19 YO playing on line 3.5. He plays 4th line but also gets shuffled onto higher lines as needed, and also gets PP time ... playing the role of "big guy in front of the net". But his presence keeps younger guys like Crossman and Corson out of the lineup more. I don't see him figuring into our 20 YO mix next year with the current crop we have as 19 YOs, but things change. I think a decision on him is coming around Xmas. He is a tradable asset but not going to generate a big return ... maybe a 5th from somebody wanting a big center on a 3rd line with some versatility. If we deal players away then he probably has a spot here ... but if we add to our forward group, trading youth, then maybe he is on the outside looking in. Thanks, Steve for clarifying my post (exactly why I don't like posting). But, yes, I've only see him play one Q game here but lots of Jr A. I do like to pay attention to the island born players when they come to town. I always thought he had pretty good hands and a great shot but maybe it is different in the Q. Anyway, everyone that posts for the Islanders seem to think we need a big physical presence which I agree with so when he was mentioned in this post, he came to mind. Thanks Bois, for helping with my English. Might see you at a game. |
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Post by bois on Nov 4, 2015 15:55:17 GMT -4
Every post you have made has been about MacEwen.. except for one where you falsely claimed MacCallum was heading to Mississauga of the OHL I don't think you are an Islanders fan at all... i think you are probably a friend or relative of MacEwen qmjhleast.proboards.com/user/2062/recentI haven't seen enough of MacEwen to know if he could play in our top 3 lines..... tho I certainly doubt he'd be a top 3 liner on 15 teams as you suggest He is big and local and would have been great if we had found him and invited him to our camp.. but I don't think i'd be terribly interested in wasting significant assets on acquiring him now as a 19 year old who would be heard pressed to play as a 20 considering right now we stand to bring back 3 of (Goulet, Kennedy, Kielly perhaps even Rydstrom, Duchesne (have to see more before figuring him into the mix) (McQuaid not likely) if he were to be made available for basically nothing then yes perhaps some interest... otherwise I can't see it |
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 4, 2015 16:15:23 GMT -4
Every post you have made has been about MacEwen.. except for one where you falsely claimed MacCallum was heading to Mississauga of the OHL I don't think you are an Islanders fan at all... i think you are probably a friend or relative of MacEwen qmjhleast.proboards.com/user/2062/recentI haven't seen enough of MacEwen to know if he could play in our top 3 lines..... tho I certainly doubt he'd be a top 3 liner on 15 teams as you suggest He is big and local and would have been great if we had found him and invited him to our camp.. but I don't think i'd be terribly interested in wasting significant assets on acquiring him now as a 19 year old who would be heard pressed to play as a 20 considering right now we stand to bring back 3 of (Goulet, Kennedy, Kielly perhaps even Rydstrom, Duchesne (have to see more before figuring him into the mix) (McQuaid not likely) if he were to be made available for basically nothing then yes perhaps some interest... otherwise I can't see it Where is MacCallum now ? He still shows up on Bathurst's roster but obviously not with the team. Where did he land ? |
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