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Post by bois on Feb 4, 2016 10:54:10 GMT -4
Gumby Garland strikes again
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Feb 4, 2016 10:55:04 GMT -4
Unfortunately, the way hockey is set up, in the "finish your check" culture, that hit isn't really late. If he gets suspended it's because they feel garland was hit in the head. Look at every time Cormier or Pickard(add any 4th line banger) hit somebody, the puck is usually 20-40 feet away at the time. It was given an interference call because he didn't have the puck ... doesn't matter how late or early it is. He had JUST chipped the puck back down low. He was hit maybe 0.5 seconds later? I'd call a penalty on it too, but we see hits waaaaaaay later than that get let go every game.
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Post by Reesor on Feb 4, 2016 11:24:49 GMT -4
This is sick. Shades of Drouin 3 years ago.
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Post by J4M13 on Feb 4, 2016 11:57:13 GMT -4
It looked dirty to me. The puck was gone so long, it was almost definitely interference. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets reviewed. If it was any other player, it gets called. But Gatland was diving all over the place, can't blame the refs for ignoring him. That said, the hit on Turcotte was 100% intended to knock him out of the game. The player didn't even really shoot, just let the puck roll in, and led with his forearm. I'm guessing Del Paggio plays again before Smith. Don't think so. The game was 1-0 at that time and Smith has a partial breakaway ... he is 100% trying to score. I do think there was some intent in his actions once his scoring chance disappeared and he wasn't going to avoid colliding with at least the net ... but he had every intention of trying to score at that moment. I can see Smith getting 5 games if Turcotte misses the next game ... and maybe 3 if he is good to go. I won't defend his actions as I thought there was intent when it occurred, but he didn't have any place to go once he got to the net ... still it was intentional. The hit on Garland was a late hit and was a targeted head shot ... and Garland was in a vulnerable position ... and it apparently broke Garland's cheek bone (not sure if that is confirmed yet). It was really no different than what Patrice Cormier did in the Q back in 2010 ... but Garland wasn't left convulsing on the ice. They may decide to really hit Del Paggio hard if all that is determined to be fact. Could be 10 games minimum ... could be rest of regular season ... or the Q could blow it and give him 2 games and make it worth the suspension to take out the league's top scorer. I think you misunderstand what I meant by intent. I think his intent was to score first and foremost, but when he saw Nowl coming in, I think he most definitely intended to take any incidental contact as an excuse to bowl the goalie. And he stuck out his forearm and led with the elbow which in my mind makes it intent to injure. As for the Garland hit, I wasn't close to that. I have no idea if there was any contact with the head. The reason I thought it was late was he'd already made a move after getting rid of the puck, he clearly felt his role in the play was over before the hit. I'd guess 2 games for Del Paggio (agreed, pretty inexpensive for taking out the leading scorer, but the evidence is too thin to give more unless he hit the head, and 5 for Smith because the optics were so bad and the referees view was almost as clear as mine, so I'm guessing the game report was pretty damning.
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Post by switchback on Feb 4, 2016 12:01:14 GMT -4
The Smith hit looks a hell of a lot dirtier than the Del Paggio hit.
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Post by habsfan74 on Feb 4, 2016 12:17:02 GMT -4
Whoever the cats play first round Garland is gonna get hammered.
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Post by npsh on Feb 4, 2016 12:21:20 GMT -4
Guess the buck stops at the League suspension desk on those hits, but from where I sit I thought the goal tender hit was the more serious but whatever. With reference to Garland hit all I can say from previous observations Garland is always yapping at officials. If he trips up over the blue line on his way back to get in the defensive play(which he does poorly) his first look is at the Ref. If there is any such thing as "benefit of the doubt" Garland will probably not get it from Officials
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 4, 2016 12:33:05 GMT -4
The Smith hit looks a hell of a lot dirtier than the Del Paggio hit. Plus he's a repeat offender after taking out Donaghey's knee last year.
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Post by Penguins23® on Feb 4, 2016 12:51:06 GMT -4
The Smith hit looks a hell of a lot dirtier than the Del Paggio hit. Plus he's a repeat offender after taking out Donaghey's knee last year. He kneed someone else last year and got suspended for it before the Donaghey hit so this will be at least his third serious offense.
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Post by Penguins23® on Feb 4, 2016 13:26:51 GMT -4
Better quality look at the Will Smith hit.
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Post by Bruce Wayne on Feb 4, 2016 13:47:09 GMT -4
You can see Noel make stick contact with Smith, basically slashes him, then hooks him and it looks like in the first angle, causes Smith to lose his balance. On the corner view, it doesn't look like the hooking motion was much, and from the back angle, it looks like a slash and no hook. Smith probably felt he may have been able to use the stick contact as a way to mask him making contact.
Interesting to see what comes out of it, I see 5 games.
The Garland hit, it was late, on a defenseless player and at a bad distance from the boards - you could probably call that one, one of interference, head shot (appears on one angle head contact was made) or boarding and probably wouldn't get too many arguments from people. This one will truely be interesting to see if any suspension comes out of it... my guess is no.
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Post by emerz on Feb 4, 2016 13:52:41 GMT -4
Wow Smith absolutely drills Turcotte, that's 5+ in my opinion.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 4, 2016 14:00:40 GMT -4
You can see Noel make stick contact with Smith, basically slashes him, then hooks him and it looks like in the first angle, causes Smith to lose his balance. On the corner view, it doesn't look like the hooking motion was much, and from the back angle, it looks like a slash and no hook. Smith probably felt he may have been able to use the stick contact as a way to mask him making contact. Interesting to see what comes out of it, I see 5 games. The Garland hit, it was late, on a defenseless player and at a bad distance from the boards - you could probably call that one, one of interference, head shot (appears on one angle head contact was made) or boarding and probably wouldn't get too many arguments from people. This one will truely be interesting to see if any suspension comes out of it... my guess is no. He makes an effort to stop, but it looks half hearted.
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Post by Penguins23® on Feb 4, 2016 14:02:10 GMT -4
Better look at the Garland hit.
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Feb 4, 2016 14:12:47 GMT -4
Guess the buck stops at the League suspension desk on those hits, but from where I sit I thought the goal tender hit was the more serious but whatever. With reference to Garland hit all I can say from previous observations Garland is always yapping at officials. If he trips up over the blue line on his way back to get in the defensive play(which he does poorly) his first look is at the Ref. If there is any such thing as "benefit of the doubt" Garland will probably not get it from Officials A couple of times earlier he went down easy. The most comical was when he skated into the back of Zboril, went down and yapped at the ref for not calling a penalty. Del Paggio never lifted his elbow. If there was head contacts it was because of the size difference in players or ducking from the victim. Del Paggio definitely did not jump up.
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