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Post by SteveUL on Aug 20, 2018 8:09:21 GMT -4
People here are forgetting it is a designated Heritage Property. www.halifax.ca/home-property/heritage-properties/heritage-property-programProtection - significant changes to the exterior of a heritage property require review by the Heritage Advisory Committee and approval by Regional Council. This measure of protection applies even after ownership of the property is transferred. Heritage properties are also protected from demolition by the Heritage Property Act of Nova Scotia.I don't find it a dump at all, I find watching sporting events in old buildings quite enjoyable so long as you can walk around and have good sightlines. I enjoy the windows on both sides. Fenway Park was always considered a dump, the Forum is no Fenway Park though. I get very annoyed at the posts obstructing the view. Is there any way to remove those? Has it ever been looked into? If there isn't a way to remove the posts, then this might be silly. If you can remove the posts, then game on. Cities of our size need a venue that seats as many as the Forum does as a secondary venue. To remove the posts you'd have to bolster the exterior walls and install roof trusses across the width, and probably improve on the foundation since roof loads would be travelling a different path to ground. The problem with renovating any 80-100 yr old building is that as soon as you start opening up walls, everything has to be brought up to the current code. It takes a lot longer to renovate and bring it all up to code than it would to demolish and rebuild brand new ... time is money.
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Post by nsvees on Aug 20, 2018 11:49:54 GMT -4
An upgraded forum/or new facility would be ideal place to be the home for major lacrosse events as well. A few years back we hosted the Jr B nationals and it really just felt like a 2nd class location. On this subject as well a good location for winter soccer/lacrosse would be good on the Dartmouth side. Once upon a time there was a spot in Burnside but that has been gone for years. The Forum, through the Halifax Oland Exports, hosted the Royal Bank Cup (national Junior A championship) in 2002. The final was televised live on TSN. As has been the case when Eastlink has done Mooseheads games from there, the posts in front of the camera make for awkward viewing. It'd be nice to be able to remove those posts, but engineering/structural wise, I'm not sure that would be feasible, especially for a 90 year old building.
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Post by Citris on Aug 20, 2018 12:33:50 GMT -4
To remove the posts you'd have to bolster the exterior walls and install roof trusses across the width, and probably improve on the foundation since roof loads would be travelling a different path to ground. The problem with renovating any 80-100 yr old building is that as soon as you start opening up walls, everything has to be brought up to the current code. It takes a lot longer to renovate and bring it all up to code than it would to demolish and rebuild brand new ... time is money. And at this point it's a ship of theseus kind of thing. It may be a Heritage building, but if you replace the walls, rebuild the roof, basically replace every brick with another brick, is it still the Forum? I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of spending additional money because people have an irrational need to not tear down the forum, despite the fact that fixing the forum would basically involve tearing it down anyway.
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Post by guru on Aug 23, 2018 0:01:05 GMT -4
People here are forgetting it is a designated Heritage Property. www.halifax.ca/home-property/heritage-properties/heritage-property-programProtection - significant changes to the exterior of a heritage property require review by the Heritage Advisory Committee and approval by Regional Council. This measure of protection applies even after ownership of the property is transferred. Heritage properties are also protected from demolition by the Heritage Property Act of Nova Scotia.I don't find it a dump at all, I find watching sporting events in old buildings quite enjoyable so long as you can walk around and have good sightlines. I enjoy the windows on both sides. Fenway Park was always considered a dump, the Forum is no Fenway Park though. I get very annoyed at the posts obstructing the view. Is there any way to remove those? Has it ever been looked into? If there isn't a way to remove the posts, then this might be silly. If you can remove the posts, then game on. Cities of our size need a venue that seats as many as the Forum does as a secondary venue. To remove the posts you'd have to bolster the exterior walls and install roof trusses across the width, and probably improve on the foundation since roof loads would be travelling a different path to ground. The problem with renovating any 80-100 yr old building is that as soon as you start opening up walls, everything has to be brought up to the current code. It takes a lot longer to renovate and bring it all up to code than it would to demolish and rebuild brand new ... time is money. Damn, that is depressing. Wish someone from the city would come out and say the same so everyone knows this. Now I see why Fenway Park has only had small add-ons. Great to see Fenway and Wrigley remain open.
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Post by nsvees on Nov 26, 2019 23:15:17 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 27, 2019 12:35:56 GMT -4
Haven't followed this much but that seems like a strange end result to someone on the outside. Shouldn't the city want to have a somewhat smaller but still 5-6K seat rink for secondary events? Or for things like Mooseheads game pushed from the bigger venue? Spending all that money and ending up with less seats and another ice surface is probably a good result for the minor hockey/beer league hockey players though.
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Post by Citris on Nov 27, 2019 12:44:55 GMT -4
My boy Richard Zurawski said it - "Wow, this is steep," said Richard Zurawski, who represents Timberlea-Beechville-Clayton Park-Wedgewood. "I think it's too much and we're getting too little in return."
I've said it before, you could probably demolish the place and build a new, better building in its place for half the price.
Like yea I get it, it's historical, but it's also really dirty, miserable in the summer for events like WWE and Boxing or MMA, those gosh-darn pillars, the seating and the way the steps are build are really bad... it's all just.... rough.
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Post by lirette on Nov 27, 2019 12:52:58 GMT -4
My boy Richard Zurawski said it - "Wow, this is steep," said Richard Zurawski, who represents Timberlea-Beechville-Clayton Park-Wedgewood. "I think it's too much and we're getting too little in return."I've said it before, you could probably demolish the place and build a new, better building in its place for half the price. Like yea I get it, it's historical, but it's also really dirty, miserable in the summer for events like WWE and Boxing or MMA, those gosh-darn pillars, the seating and the way the steps are build are really bad... it's all just.... rough. My understanding from reading the article is the pillars wouldnt play a factor with the interior being completely redone and the capacity set to 3K. Seems like it would be a bad look to pay $86 million for a refurbished hockey rink but yet not pay $20 million more for a stadium
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 27, 2019 12:55:12 GMT -4
My boy Richard Zurawski said it - "Wow, this is steep," said Richard Zurawski, who represents Timberlea-Beechville-Clayton Park-Wedgewood. "I think it's too much and we're getting too little in return."I've said it before, you could probably demolish the place and build a new, better building in its place for half the price. Like yea I get it, it's historical, but it's also really dirty, miserable in the summer for events like WWE and Boxing or MMA, those gosh-darn pillars, the seating and the way the steps are build are really bad... it's all just.... rough. I think that's what im missing. For that kind of money...to end with that end result...doesnt make a lot of sense. This would essentially remove the WWE/Boxing/MMA/whatever events you brought up in that building, right? It's like they're spending almost $100 mil but ending up with more for the amateur hockey crowd but a lot less for everything else considering the building size and events it could attract.
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Post by guru on Nov 27, 2019 18:28:22 GMT -4
I don't see the problem. A quote from the CBC article the other day: If you want to see the entire report.
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Post by nsvees on Nov 27, 2019 20:33:40 GMT -4
My boy Richard Zurawski said it - "Wow, this is steep," said Richard Zurawski, who represents Timberlea-Beechville-Clayton Park-Wedgewood. "I think it's too much and we're getting too little in return."I've said it before, you could probably demolish the place and build a new, better building in its place for half the price. Like yea I get it, it's historical, but it's also really dirty, miserable in the summer for events like WWE and Boxing or MMA, those gosh-darn pillars, the seating and the way the steps are build are really bad... it's all just.... rough. I think that's what im missing. For that kind of money...to end with that end result...doesnt make a lot of sense. This would essentially remove the WWE/Boxing/MMA/whatever events you brought up in that building, right? It's like they're spending almost $100 mil but ending up with more for the amateur hockey crowd but a lot less for everything else considering the building size and events it could attract. They should've torn the place down years ago and either build a more modern facility or use the land for other purposes. Whether that be a multi-ice facility or a smaller version of the Forum (fewer seats; when was the last time that place sold out an event?) or using the land to build a non sports related project. Saving it for in case the Mooseheads need it because the Scotiabank Centre is unavailable doesn't make sense (happens once every 5 years).
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 27, 2019 21:18:56 GMT -4
Yes we need more 400,000 condos!
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Post by guru on Nov 27, 2019 21:36:31 GMT -4
Yes we need more 400,000 condos! I don't think you understand how the world works. The properties condos are built on are on land owned by Developers, not by the city which is the case with the Forum. They don't even seem to be constructing condos anymore, just apartment buildings. The city needs more apartment buildings due to the very low vacancy rates.
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Post by nsvees on Jul 11, 2023 7:46:06 GMT -4
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Post by Reesor on Jul 11, 2023 8:56:53 GMT -4
More questions than answers:
- Two new ice surfaces... will one have significant seating for medium-sized events? I'm thinking ~3000 would be suitable for that location.
- They've said in general what is included but 110 million is a hefty price tag. Is this instead of the wanderers ground expansion or new permanent medium size stadium? What is making this so expensive?
The Forum has a lot of historical significance but I'm not one to hold onto relics for the sake of history. It's not like there are visitors to the city that are flocking to the Forum because of its history. I'm a fan of making a community center that has something for everyone. I used to call bingo so I hope the Forum bingo is part of the new community center for the sake of all who enjoy it.
The "Don't spend money on X while we're in a housing crisis" point will always be discussed whenever a major city spends money on something that isn't affordable housing. Cities need to move forward with capital projects that bring in money. They grow stale if they don't. There is a housing crisis and it needs to be addressed. I don't blame people for putting public pressure on council to improve that situation. Capital investments to improve the city can't stop because of it though.
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