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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 18, 2019 14:30:07 GMT -4
So the question we need to ask is when does a goalie stop being a goalie? To me when a goalie decides to play defence on a loose puck and leaves his crease to do so...the same rules that would apply in the crease can't be in play. Make a rule to keep the goalie in or around the crease and you remove a lot of questions like this one brings up. I'm all for protecting goalies. But not when they're chasing loose pucks in their own end and well out of their crease area. They're a skater with a ton of extra protection at that point and should be playing under the same rules as a D would be contact wise in my opinion. As it currently sits, I don’t think a goalie ever stops being a goalie.. really I’m fine with it the way things are, you very rarely see a scenario play out like this and the responsibility is on the player to be aware and not make that hit. Even though there was really nothing wrong with it (other than him being a goalie) the rules are the rules and I don’t think this is one that really needs much tweaking. Especially considering he had time to avoid/attempt to avoid the hit instead of really leaning into it and dropping the hammer. If that's a 25 game suspension then I think the rules need adjusting. The goalie should not be allowed to play that puck if any contact initiated is goalie interference. I also don't agree that he had time to avoid the hit...he's a Jr A player chasing a loose puck into a zone...the goalie coming out 20-25 feet likely wasn't even a thought in his mind...then he looks up and there's a goalie on his knees clearing the puck making the contact even worse. I think there's some adjustments needed to the goalie rules in regards to contact if a guy loses a good chunk of his season for that hit. I feel for the player now labeled as a goon because of the length of the suspension being excessive when I really don't think the hit was malicious and was more of a collision that was actually instigated by the goalie coming out so far vs the forward being reckless while chasing down a loose puck. The onus should also be on the goaltender to avoid being hit as it is on the forward to avoid hitting him if he's going to come out that far or for the rules to make more sense in treating him like a D if he's going to play a rush to a loose puck like he is one. I think it's maybe a 2 game suspension for goalie interference based on the rule book. I think 25 is ridiculously unfair unless there's malice i'm not seeing/hearing of in this exchange. Based on the video 25 games is way too much to me. But this is one where most are never going to agree it seems like as most here have their own interpretation of how bad it is based on the NHL's rule.
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Post by scotiahockey on Sept 18, 2019 14:55:23 GMT -4
As it currently sits, I don’t think a goalie ever stops being a goalie.. really I’m fine with it the way things are, you very rarely see a scenario play out like this and the responsibility is on the player to be aware and not make that hit. Even though there was really nothing wrong with it (other than him being a goalie) the rules are the rules and I don’t think this is one that really needs much tweaking. Especially considering he had time to avoid/attempt to avoid the hit instead of really leaning into it and dropping the hammer. If that's a 25 game suspension then I think the rules need adjusting. The goalie should not be allowed to play that puck if any contact initiated is goalie interference. I also don't agree that he had time to avoid the hit...he's a Jr A player chasing a loose puck into a zone...the goalie coming out 20-25 feet likely wasn't even a thought in his mind...then he looks up and there's a goalie on his knees clearing the puck making the contact even worse. I think there's some adjustments needed to the goalie rules in regards to contact if a guy loses a good chunk of his season for that hit. I feel for the player now labeled as a goon because of the length of the suspension being excessive when I really don't think the hit was malicious and was more of a collision that was actually instigated by the goalie coming out so far vs the forward being reckless while chasing down a loose puck. The onus should also be on the goaltender to avoid being hit as it is on the forward to avoid hitting him if he's going to come out that far or for the rules to make more sense in treating him like a D if he's going to play a rush to a loose puck like he is one. I think it's maybe a 2 game suspension for goalie interference based on the rule book. I think 25 is ridiculously unfair unless there's malice i'm not seeing/hearing of in this exchange. Based on the video 25 games is way too much to me. But this is one where most are never going to agree it seems like as most here have their own interpretation of how bad it is based on the NHL's rule. I think the penalty handed down needs to be reviewed more then the penalty rule itself needs adjusting. 25 games is ridiculous and I don’t think he went down the ice with the intention of hitting the goalie like that but he did and it warrants some kind of suspension. I don’t however think the player is a goon, it’s an unfortunate collision but I disagree with the idea that he didn’t have time to avoid the hit. The way I see it, is the player chipped the puck off the boards and never regained control, going down the ice he was in pursuit but it appears to me that he had his head up the whole time and was aware of the play that’s going on around him or should have been aware. As the skater crosses the blue line, you can start to see the goalie come out and go after the puck and roughly at the top of the circles, the skater throws a hit on the goalie. Now to me, that’s plenty of time for the skater to avoid making contact with the goalie or at least make an attempt to avoid him, which it doesn’t appear he even tried to do. It’s more than sufficient IMO for a suspension to be handed down and doesn’t happen frequently enough to warrant changing the rule. Everybody should know that you can’t make contact with the goalie in that manner and he did anyways. 25 games is too many, way way way too many but it’s still a suspendible offence in my eyes. Instead of changing the rule to allow for contact with the goalies to be initiated, I think the league should review the severity of action and make a more informed ruling, as 25 seems to be a hasty decision and an attempt to make an example out of a player on a play that doesn’t warrant trying to make an example on.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 18, 2019 15:03:33 GMT -4
25 seems to be a hasty decision and an attempt to make an example out of a player on a play that doesn’t warrant trying to make an example on. I think this is a point we can all agree on.
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Post by Score on Sept 30, 2019 16:47:13 GMT -4
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Post by L'il Boy on Oct 1, 2019 7:18:14 GMT -4
Not only released by the Terriers....banned from the league! Link
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Oct 1, 2019 8:07:51 GMT -4
Not only released by the Terriers....banned from the league! LinkThere's gotta be more to this story. What was his suspension history? Maybe this was just the last drop
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Post by scotiahockey on Oct 1, 2019 8:46:31 GMT -4
Not only released by the Terriers....banned from the league! LinkThere's gotta be more to this story. What was his suspension history? Maybe this was just the last drop I can see suspending him for the video, no need of it on his part and it’s easier to just cut ties with the guy.
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Post by bois on Oct 1, 2019 11:18:32 GMT -4
pretty stupid idea to shoot that video
tho obviously he's loaded
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Post by Citris on Oct 1, 2019 22:24:59 GMT -4
He even kinda looks like Riley from letterkenny come to life.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Oct 2, 2019 15:05:42 GMT -4
IMO goalies should be fair game for contact anywhere outside the blue paint when playing the puck. Why can't you hit a goalie behind the net playing the puck? It makes no sense. They have more protective gear on that anyone. That being said, they would have to re-design the helmets so they don't fly off so easily, which is kind of ridiculous to begin with. Goalie masks are designed so weird.
By the way, I was a goalie most of my youth/junior playing career. They way they're protected is stupid.
Crashing the crease is a different story though. I don't believe in the former skate blade in the crease being a disallowed goal of the '99 era, but there has to be more protection against guys driving the net off the rush and piling into it when there's a loose puck. Some of that falls on the defensemen that for some reason think it's beneficial to cross check forwards into their own goalie.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 2, 2019 15:54:27 GMT -4
I thought there was a rule that intentionally checking the goaltender is a match penalty. I mean clearly targeting the goaltender like occurred here ... not incidental contact like we see behind the net when a goalie gets out to play the puck.
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