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Post by glacebaysportsfan on Oct 29, 2022 16:02:49 GMT -4
As I posted in a different post. The team front office is a complete mess. We are more like a JR A franchise than a Major Jr team. We might not have a team in a couple of years.
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Post by eagleeye on Oct 29, 2022 16:18:32 GMT -4
i have to agree with you and we all know the one that has to go
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Post by hal on Oct 29, 2022 16:58:55 GMT -4
As I posted in a different post. The team front office is a complete mess. We are more like a JR A franchise than a Major Jr team. We might not have a team in a couple of years. This is a Couple of Times you have made this statement but other then a Credit Card that may or may not have bounced , you don't base it on anything tangible . I know Gerard Shaw is not on the same level of quality that Courtourier and Goyens are for their particular Positions and even though Shaw is Simon's Guy .....Simon is not a Stupid Man . If things don't come around in due time , he is gonna look at Shaw ....he has to ....you can't go out and keep getting New GM's and Head Coach's every year . |
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Post by glacebaysportsfan on Oct 29, 2022 17:26:05 GMT -4
As I posted in a different post. The team front office is a complete mess. We are more like a JR A franchise than a Major Jr team. We might not have a team in a couple of years. This is a Couple of Times you have made this statement but other then a Credit Card that may or may not have bounced , you don't base it on anything tangible . I know Gerard Shaw is not on the same level of quality that Courtourier and Goyens are for their particular Positions and even though Shaw is Simon's Guy .....Simon is not a Stupid Man . If things don't come around in due time , he is gonna look at Shaw ....he has to ....you can't go out and keep getting New GM's and Head Coach's every year . I know I hinted at it a few times. It won't be getting better and I think Irvin is starting to tighten the belt on spending. We might not have a team in a few years. |
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Post by hal on Oct 29, 2022 18:45:46 GMT -4
So you "THINK" Irwin is tightening the Belt on Spending ? All this because a Credit Card may or may not have bounced back getting Pizza or whatever ..............or have you heard some more Juicy Gossip ?
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Post by sherwood1020 on Oct 30, 2022 1:35:22 GMT -4
The day that Gerard Shaw resigns or gets canned will be the day I renew my season tickets. I've heard people I know talk him up like he's some great hockey mind but since he's haunted our barn the on-ice product has gone into a severe tailspin of which I see no end in sight.
Bless Couturier for taking us on but it'll be tough watching him piss away years of draft assets (probably next christmas) on a core which shows no signs of competing for even one playoff round win in the present day, along with the future.
It just seems right now even with some decent prospects that we're an organization obsessed with spinning our wheels in the bottom of the barrel, all the while passing blame onto the fans not buying tickets for their own downfall.
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Post by hal on Oct 30, 2022 5:17:55 GMT -4
1-8-2 for 4 points after 11 games is what Simon must look at ..........keeping in mind what he said about This Season . If Shaw goes after The Media to Scorch the Community in regards to Poor Attendance .....all the response needed is to refer to these Numbers if they continue on this trajectory . They can't blister the public for not living up to their end of the deal .................when you didn't live up to yours .
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 30, 2022 11:27:31 GMT -4
Admittedly it's a little twisted but it's kinda funny seeing these guys who criticized the eagles for so long get put in a position of power and fall flat on their face as they do the exact same bullshit the team did for YEARS, expecting a different result for no other reason other than ego.
No actual plan, no actual vision, no actual innovation.
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Post by glacebaysportsfan on Oct 30, 2022 12:19:06 GMT -4
Admittedly it's a little twisted but it's kinda funny seeing these guys who criticized the eagles for so long get put in a position of power and fall flat on their face as they do the exact same bullshit the team did for YEARS, expecting a different result for no other reason other than ego. No actual plan, no actual vision, no actual innovation. Bingo, Gerard has always been arrogant. I kind of wish he would do the right thing. However he might need this job more than ever. What has the Lindsey Macintosh done since she took over as businesses manager? She doesn't have a good track record. She might be an up grade over the person she took over for. We have Multi Million dollars owner who is clueless, we have a president who was a good hockey player, but has never built a team;and business manager who moved from different jobs within a company that Rodney Colbourne owned for a reason. |
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 30, 2022 15:16:05 GMT -4
Admittedly it's a little twisted but it's kinda funny seeing these guys who criticized the eagles for so long get put in a position of power and fall flat on their face as they do the exact same bullshit the team did for YEARS, expecting a different result for no other reason other than ego. No actual plan, no actual vision, no actual innovation. Bingo, Gerard has always been arrogant. I kind of wish he would do the right thing. However he might need this job more than ever. What has the Lindsey Macintosh done since she took over as businesses manager? She doesn't have a good track record. She might be an up grade over the person she took over for. We have Multi Million dollars owner who is clueless, we have a president who was a good hockey player, but has never built a team;and business manager who moved from different jobs within a company that Rodney Colbourne owned for a reason. I've never bothered to criticize the business side of the team when the hockey side is at peak awful. That job is literally impossible when the on-ice product is unsellable and the job is pretty damn easy when the on-ice product sells itself. |
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Post by glacebaysportsfan on Oct 30, 2022 15:25:34 GMT -4
Bingo, Gerard has always been arrogant. I kind of wish he would do the right thing. However he might need this job more than ever. What has the Lindsey Macintosh done since she took over as businesses manager? She doesn't have a good track record. She might be an up grade over the person she took over for. We have Multi Million dollars owner who is clueless, we have a president who was a good hockey player, but has never built a team;and business manager who moved from different jobs within a company that Rodney Colbourne owned for a reason. I've never bothered to criticize the business side of the team when the hockey side is at peak awful. That job is literally impossible when the on-ice product is unsellable and the job is pretty damn easy when the on-ice product sells itself. I disagree what we should give the business side a free pass. It's there job to get people invested in the team. The team is invisible in the community, they don't do a good job telling people when games are either home or away. We have a team of young players who are going to be good. |
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 30, 2022 16:13:39 GMT -4
I've never bothered to criticize the business side of the team when the hockey side is at peak awful. That job is literally impossible when the on-ice product is unsellable and the job is pretty damn easy when the on-ice product sells itself. I disagree what we should give the business side a free pass. It's there job to get people invested in the team. The team is invisible in the community, they don't do a good job telling people when games are either home or away. We have a team of young players who are going to be good. "Hey guys, lets get behind this club that's 1-8-2!! They're young and promising!! Oh... what's that? You've heard that story for 2 decades? But it's different this time!! Oh... why? Well... because it is!!!" It's A LOT easier said than done and when you're trying to sell a broken product, you quickly lose momentum when faced with a lot of rejection that you can't reasonably counter. This is literally something you can try yourself at home. Try to convince a friend of yours to go to an Eagles game. There's like a 99% chance you'll be met with "Why? They suck." Best case scenario they're a Montreal fan and Sherbrooke is in town and you can sell them on Joshua Roy... but that's not exactly a viable strategy for an entire community. End of the day the "product" is on the ice. The idea of selling "an experience" is kind of bullshit. And as long as the Hockey Operations are a shitshow, the product is going to be viewed as damaged goods in Cape Breton |
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Post by hal on Oct 30, 2022 17:55:59 GMT -4
I disagree what we should give the business side a free pass. It's there job to get people invested in the team. The team is invisible in the community, they don't do a good job telling people when games are either home or away. We have a team of young players who are going to be good. "Hey guys, lets get behind this club that's 1-8-2!! They're young and promising!! Oh... what's that? You've heard that story for 2 decades? But it's different this time!! Oh... why? Well... because it is!!!" It's A LOT easier said than done and when you're trying to sell a broken product, you quickly lose momentum when faced with a lot of rejection that you can't reasonably counter. This is literally something you can try yourself at home. Try to convince a friend of yours to go to an Eagles game. There's like a 99% chance you'll be met with "Why? They suck." Best case scenario they're a Montreal fan and Sherbrooke is in town and you can sell them on Joshua Roy... but that's not exactly a viable strategy for an entire community. End of the day the "product" is on the ice. The idea of selling "an experience" is kind of bullshit. And as long as the Hockey Operations are a shitshow, the product is going to be viewed as damaged goods in Cape Breton You Sir are Right and yet Gerard Shaw will twist it around so it is a Lack of Fan Support ......if we are Lucky ....this time around they will say the results on the ice are not what we expected but you must get behind them anyway ........or he may just put it all on the Community not getting behind the Product . He needs to be constantly reminded about what Simon said ....Simon Says ...."we will put a Winning Product on the Ice" . |
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Post by Briwhel on Oct 30, 2022 18:23:55 GMT -4
I've never bothered to criticize the business side of the team when the hockey side is at peak awful. That job is literally impossible when the on-ice product is unsellable and the job is pretty damn easy when the on-ice product sells itself. I disagree what we should give the business side a free pass. It's there job to get people invested in the team. The team is invisible in the community, they don't do a good job telling people when games are either home or away. We have a team of young players who are going to be good. Cb is rebuilding but has drafted in the first every year of the current cycle (Drover,Langlois,Russia,Perron and 1sts this year) and 2nds each year too. That is inept management. To make that worse, the last year CB didn't draft in the 1st AND 2nd was 2010. |
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Post by jamesnorris on Oct 30, 2022 21:05:20 GMT -4
"Hey guys, lets get behind this club that's 1-8-2!! They're young and promising!! Oh... what's that? You've heard that story for 2 decades? But it's different this time!! Oh... why? Well... because it is!!!" It's A LOT easier said than done and when you're trying to sell a broken product, you quickly lose momentum when faced with a lot of rejection that you can't reasonably counter. This is literally something you can try yourself at home. Try to convince a friend of yours to go to an Eagles game. There's like a 99% chance you'll be met with "Why? They suck." Best case scenario they're a Montreal fan and Sherbrooke is in town and you can sell them on Joshua Roy... but that's not exactly a viable strategy for an entire community. End of the day the "product" is on the ice. The idea of selling "an experience" is kind of bullshit. And as long as the Hockey Operations are a shitshow, the product is going to be viewed as damaged goods in Cape Breton You Sir are Right and yet Gerard Shaw will twist it around so it is a Lack of Fan Support ......if we are Lucky ....this time around they will say the results on the ice are not what we expected but you must get behind them anyway ........or he may just put it all on the Community not getting behind the Product . He needs to be constantly reminded about what Simon said ....Simon Says ...."we will put a Winning Product on the Ice" . I remember an article from this summer where he was basically begging for community support and all I got from the article was that they were totally out of their depth. They have no idea how to change the culture around a sports organization, I'm not even sure if they recognize they need a culture change. Maybe they thought taking out the "Screaming" = job done? There's 0 good faith left in the community, if your entire plan is based on good faith, you're fucking dreaming. I think he also mentioned 2024-25 being their "go-for-it year" and mentioned needing renovations to host events... I don't think any fans even want to hear about hosting the Memorial Cup again after the last shit show. If they think buying a ticket to the Memorial Cup by hosting it is going to change the culture, again, they're dreaming. Even if it's new ownership, a new president, a new GM, a new coach, new players, a new bus... none of that really changes the perception of the average fan. So if you can't own the shitty history and lay out exactly how you intend to make changes top to bottom to win fans back and earn a bit of good faith from the community, nobody is going to care and the team will end up in Maine in a couple years. Small part of me thinks they're actually reading this forum and getting angry at takes like this... which is funny because most of the community doesn't even care enough to have a take. They'll go to a Riverview hockey game instead and when the Eagles come up they say "Oh they suck." and the convo ends. |
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