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Post by Jack Bauer on May 24, 2023 10:56:05 GMT -4
At this point I am not sure what to think anymore but if there is a Transition in place beyond the President this close to the Draft ........imagine telling the Parents of their 15 year old Son ........"well we don't have a Head Coach .....Right Now "......but we are planning to bring in a World Class Coach in time for Training Camp " . Just imagine you're a parent of a top kid. History of losing. President leaves with no new President incoming. Owner who lives in NY and has little to no hockey experience of knowledge of the league is in full control with the old President as his trusted advisor. The GM now reporting to ownership directly has a history of making by far the most trades and change in the league. The head coach is clearly on the outs...perhaps to be replaced. Oh and the attendance and fan support is as low as its been coming off 3 straight years of being near the bottom of the league. You'd have to have some confidence in your kids ability to send them here. |
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Post by jamesnorris on May 24, 2023 12:01:00 GMT -4
At this point I am not sure what to think anymore but if there is a Transition in place beyond the President this close to the Draft ........imagine telling the Parents of their 15 year old Son ........"well we don't have a Head Coach .....Right Now "......but we are planning to bring in a World Class Coach in time for Training Camp " . Just imagine you're a parent of a top kid. History of losing. President leaves with no new President incoming. Owner who lives in NY and has little to no hockey experience of knowledge of the league is in full control with the old President as his trusted advisor. The GM now reporting to ownership directly has a history of making by far the most trades and change in the league. The head coach is clearly on the outs...perhaps to be replaced. Oh and the attendance and fan support is as low as its been coming off 3 straight years of being near the bottom of the league. You'd have to have some confidence in your kids ability to send them here. Tbh would you even send your kid to the CHL? Cape Breton is far from the only mishandled club in the league and a junior career is such a short window of opportunity. Every junior A + NCAA route looks more attractive imo |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 24, 2023 12:04:32 GMT -4
Just imagine you're a parent of a top kid. History of losing. President leaves with no new President incoming. Owner who lives in NY and has little to no hockey experience of knowledge of the league is in full control with the old President as his trusted advisor. The GM now reporting to ownership directly has a history of making by far the most trades and change in the league. The head coach is clearly on the outs...perhaps to be replaced. Oh and the attendance and fan support is as low as its been coming off 3 straight years of being near the bottom of the league. You'd have to have some confidence in your kids ability to send them here. Tbh would you even send your kid to the CHL? Cape Breton is far from the only mishandled club in the league and a junior career is such a short window of opportunity. Every junior A + NCAA route looks more attractive imo So much depends on the kids abilities and what teams are after them but you're 100% right that every day the Jr A/USHL and NCAA routes offer more upside especially in terms of controlling where you end up. |
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Post by jamesnorris on May 24, 2023 12:25:16 GMT -4
I wonder if they'll have another town hall meeting thingy
Their message to the fans hasn't been very inspiring and they seem to repeat the same stuff we've heard from many previous leadership groups... So it's kind of fun listening to them try to answer what they're going to do differently by repeating the same clichés we've heard before
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 13:00:43 GMT -4
Just imagine you're a parent of a top kid. History of losing. President leaves with no new President incoming. Owner who lives in NY and has little to no hockey experience of knowledge of the league is in full control with the old President as his trusted advisor. The GM now reporting to ownership directly has a history of making by far the most trades and change in the league. The head coach is clearly on the outs...perhaps to be replaced. Oh and the attendance and fan support is as low as its been coming off 3 straight years of being near the bottom of the league. You'd have to have some confidence in your kids ability to send them here. Tbh would you even send your kid to the CHL? Cape Breton is far from the only mishandled club in the league and a junior career is such a short window of opportunity. Every junior A + NCAA route looks more attractive imo Unfortunately it's not as simple as a fork in the road, go left of go right. Jr. A has it's issues and so does the USHL, the road to the NCAA can be extremely costly and bridging a 3-4 year career prior to getting there is not as easy as you might think. For many kids who are good enough, the CHL is the better route in my opinion. We talk about Shaw, the Eagles, behind the scenes etc....but when it comes down to it, most parents want their kids to play, be happy and most importantly be in a safe environment with good billets and access to education, Cape does in fact check several of those boxes. Your average hockey family would not know or give a shit if Shaw is an advisor or drives the zamboni. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 24, 2023 13:32:04 GMT -4
Tbh would you even send your kid to the CHL? Cape Breton is far from the only mishandled club in the league and a junior career is such a short window of opportunity. Every junior A + NCAA route looks more attractive imo Unfortunately it's not as simple as a fork in the road, go left of go right. Jr. A has it's issues and so does the USHL, the road to the NCAA can be extremely costly and bridging a 3-4 year career prior to getting there is not as easy as you might think. For many kids who are good enough, the CHL is the better route in my opinion. We talk about Shaw, the Eagles, behind the scenes etc....but when it comes down to it, most parents want their kids to play, be happy and most importantly be in a safe environment with good billets and access to education, Cape does in fact check several of those boxes. Your average hockey family would not know or give a shit if Shaw is an advisor or drives the zamboni. The problem is that the average family...or average player...isn't good enough to build a winner out of. If the talented players are all big markets, big name coaches, NCAA as a realistic option...what does CB have to offer? Lavoie reported. A (somewhat) local like Peddle didn't have any interest. Desruisseaux reported and instantly soured on it. And all those kids have agents/advisors who absolutely know who is running what organizations and have strong opinions on where to avoid if necessary. But not all kids with agents have the same leverage which is why drafting and development still mean so much at this level. None of the drama around who the President is matters if the on ice product is something to be proud of. Winning and good culture sells. And travels quickly by word of mouth among those lower levels who are scratching the door of junior hockey in the following seasons. |
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Post by jamesnorris on May 24, 2023 14:08:30 GMT -4
Unfortunately it's not as simple as a fork in the road, go left of go right. Jr. A has it's issues and so does the USHL, the road to the NCAA can be extremely costly and bridging a 3-4 year career prior to getting there is not as easy as you might think. For many kids who are good enough, the CHL is the better route in my opinion. We talk about Shaw, the Eagles, behind the scenes etc....but when it comes down to it, most parents want their kids to play, be happy and most importantly be in a safe environment with good billets and access to education, Cape does in fact check several of those boxes. Your average hockey family would not know or give a shit if Shaw is an advisor or drives the zamboni. The problem is that the average family...or average player...isn't good enough to build a winner out of. If the talented players are all big markets, big name coaches, NCAA as a realistic option...what does CB have to offer? Lavoie reported. A (somewhat) local like Peddle didn't have any interest. Desruisseaux reported and instantly soured on it. And all those kids have agents/advisors who absolutely know who is running what organizations and have strong opinions on where to avoid if necessary. But not all kids with agents have the same leverage which is why drafting and development still mean so much at this level. None of the drama around who the President is matters if the on ice product is something to be proud of. Winning and good culture sells. And travels quickly by word of mouth among those lower levels who are scratching the door of junior hockey in the following seasons. people don't understand the importance of good word of mouth. If agents & advisors in Quebec are telling every kid how shit the organization is, if former players are sharing their poor experience in Cape Breton, it becomes a handicap that is near impossible to overcome. Especially if you're trying to overcome the handicap by shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 24, 2023 14:11:33 GMT -4
The problem is that the average family...or average player...isn't good enough to build a winner out of. If the talented players are all big markets, big name coaches, NCAA as a realistic option...what does CB have to offer? Lavoie reported. A (somewhat) local like Peddle didn't have any interest. Desruisseaux reported and instantly soured on it. And all those kids have agents/advisors who absolutely know who is running what organizations and have strong opinions on where to avoid if necessary. But not all kids with agents have the same leverage which is why drafting and development still mean so much at this level. None of the drama around who the President is matters if the on ice product is something to be proud of. Winning and good culture sells. And travels quickly by word of mouth among those lower levels who are scratching the door of junior hockey in the following seasons. people don't understand the importance of good word of mouth. If agents & advisors in Quebec are telling every kid how shit the league, if former players are sharing their poor experience in Cape Breton, it becomes a handicap that is near impossible to overcome. Especially if you're trying to overcome the handicap by shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. Yeah just look at our GM. Memorial Cup winner. Also seems to always have a huge amount of turnover and transactions. If you're the parent of a 14/15yr old in Quebec do you care that Bathurst won under his guidance? Or care that there's a clear history there of a constantly changing philosophy in terms of who is a good fit for his teams? I know what would stand out to me, and its not the winning. A nearly comical level of turnover is not great for building a healthy internal culture. |
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Post by Briwhel on May 24, 2023 14:32:53 GMT -4
people don't understand the importance of good word of mouth. If agents & advisors in Quebec are telling every kid how shit the league, if former players are sharing their poor experience in Cape Breton, it becomes a handicap that is near impossible to overcome. Especially if you're trying to overcome the handicap by shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. Yeah just look at our GM. Memorial Cup winner. Also seems to always have a huge amount of turnover and transactions. If you're the parent of a 14/15yr old in Quebec do you care that Bathurst won under his guidance? Or care that there's a clear history there of a constantly changing philosophy in terms of who is a good fit for his teams? I know what would stand out to me, and its not the winning. A nearly comical level of turnover is not great for building a healthy internal culture. He also got extremely lucky to win the one title he had (he got the best overall player out of a 2nd overall and 6th overall pick) and involved going absolutely scorched earth to win. |
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Post by hal on May 24, 2023 14:49:05 GMT -4
Tbh would you even send your kid to the CHL? Cape Breton is far from the only mishandled club in the league and a junior career is such a short window of opportunity. Every junior A + NCAA route looks more attractive imo So much depends on the kids abilities and what teams are after them but you're 100% right that every day the Jr A/USHL and NCAA routes offer more upside especially in terms of controlling where you end up. As my Father used to say ......."not everyone is College Material " ..........so the NCAA is not for everybody . Which always has me wondering where do all the American Kids that are Academically Challenged play their Hockey ? |
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Post by hal on May 24, 2023 14:54:02 GMT -4
The problem is that the average family...or average player...isn't good enough to build a winner out of. If the talented players are all big markets, big name coaches, NCAA as a realistic option...what does CB have to offer? Lavoie reported. A (somewhat) local like Peddle didn't have any interest. Desruisseaux reported and instantly soured on it. And all those kids have agents/advisors who absolutely know who is running what organizations and have strong opinions on where to avoid if necessary. But not all kids with agents have the same leverage which is why drafting and development still mean so much at this level. None of the drama around who the President is matters if the on ice product is something to be proud of. Winning and good culture sells. And travels quickly by word of mouth among those lower levels who are scratching the door of junior hockey in the following seasons. people don't understand the importance of good word of mouth. If agents & advisors in Quebec are telling every kid how shit the organization is, if former players are sharing their poor experience in Cape Breton, it becomes a handicap that is near impossible to overcome. Especially if you're trying to overcome the handicap by shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. That's not the Total Picture though . There are Tons of Former Eagles who Loved their time here . I have two friends that billeted players for years and the kids they had staying with them have always stayed in touch and some come back to visit with their own kids . |
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Post by jamesnorris on May 24, 2023 16:12:20 GMT -4
people don't understand the importance of good word of mouth. If agents & advisors in Quebec are telling every kid how shit the organization is, if former players are sharing their poor experience in Cape Breton, it becomes a handicap that is near impossible to overcome. Especially if you're trying to overcome the handicap by shooting yourself in the foot repeatedly. That's not the Total Picture though . There are Tons of Former Eagles who Loved their time here . I have two friends that billeted players for years and the kids they had staying with them have always stayed in touch and some come back to visit with their own kids . I agree, the players who had a good experience are unlikely to share their bad experience because their experience was good |
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Post by evasuk on May 24, 2023 22:10:00 GMT -4
So much depends on the kids abilities and what teams are after them but you're 100% right that every day the Jr A/USHL and NCAA routes offer more upside especially in terms of controlling where you end up. As my Father used to say ......."not everyone is College Material " ..........so the NCAA is not for everybody . Which always has me wondering where do all the American Kids that are Academically Challenged play their Hockey ? In the USA, the most comparable league to CHL would be USHL, followed by the NAHL, NCDC, USPHL, NA3HL and EHL to name a few. There are also quite a few American players playing Junior A in the Canadian Junior Hockey League or in the BCHL as well. |
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Post by hal on May 25, 2023 9:30:18 GMT -4
As my Father used to say ......."not everyone is College Material " ..........so the NCAA is not for everybody . Which always has me wondering where do all the American Kids that are Academically Challenged play their Hockey ? In the USA, the most comparable league to CHL would be USHL, followed by the NAHL, NCDC, USPHL, NA3HL and EHL to name a few. There are also quite a few American players playing Junior A in the Canadian Junior Hockey League or in the BCHL as well. I get all that but I guess I was wondering why there were not more New England Kids playing in the QMJHL ? If NCAA is not in your future because School is just not your thing wouldn't the CHL be a better option then the USHL ? I base this on the Quality of Play . |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 25, 2023 9:57:26 GMT -4
In the USA, the most comparable league to CHL would be USHL, followed by the NAHL, NCDC, USPHL, NA3HL and EHL to name a few. There are also quite a few American players playing Junior A in the Canadian Junior Hockey League or in the BCHL as well. I get all that but I guess I was wondering why there were not more New England Kids playing in the QMJHL ? If NCAA is not in your future because School is just not your thing wouldn't the CHL be a better option then the USHL ? I base this on the Quality of Play . Because the qualities that likely make them a poor student would also lead to other bad results if away from home at 16/17/18 i'm guessing. So if it comes down to a poor student from the US Northeast with comparable talent to a bunch of local kids playing Major Midget you're just going to roll with the kids you know. Reality is the odds of a player being really good but also being a really poor student to the point of giving up any NCAA hopes at 16/17 is super low. Even lower without the ability for the Q team to say guarantee an NCAA tuition after playing 3-4 years in the Q. |
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