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Post by itstime on Nov 6, 2023 12:30:01 GMT -4
You should see a move for another 20 soon I feel. The first of December you will see Dumais, Roster and maybe Furlong leave for the Canada Junior tryout. If those three players leave and you dont want to fall down the standings you need to have that figured out soon. Josh Lawrence came to us November 28th last year and we have more need to have this done earlier this year.
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Post by Citris on Nov 6, 2023 12:32:55 GMT -4
Here’s the thing, their D zone ability to get the puck out and on the sticks of the Forwards is absolutely horrendous. They are having a hard time making simple passes and have been bailed out severely by Rousseau. Getting Luneau solidifies a massive need on a stud D. Like someone said, they have great talent but that is tested when you spend 90% of the shift trying to get out of your own zone. Luneau definitely helps that. This is the year to go all in. No matter what the cost is. Trade 3 guys as futures. Still leaves you 2-3 next year for trade bait at Xmas to help rebuild faster. Can’t waste Dumais and Rousseau this year. To make Luneau happen they'll need to trade a defenseman who will help a team contend next year, this could either be directly to Gatineau or to a team like Chicoutimi for assets to be flipped. We have 6 D who are without question Q regulars, so bringing in Luneau would necessitate moving one out. I'm not saying it's a good idea to make that move - but either MacKinnon or Phillips would probably have to be the one moved. MacKinnon would hurt as his physical play is a something that the Mooseheads would need for the Playoffs, and he'll be highly sought after next christmas. Owen Phillips could make a lot of sense, that's a big piece to give up, but it would pretty much instantly give him the chance to play all the top minutes in Gatineau, away from home. Either way, I'm not sure it's a great move long term to go after Luneau, but, if he does return to the Q, which seems likely, it would also serve the purpose of keeping him away from the other contenders.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 6, 2023 13:21:02 GMT -4
You're talking Phillips now and Cataford as a future + picks for Luneau. Not sure Cam has the appetite for that.
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Post by Herd Fan on Nov 6, 2023 13:29:03 GMT -4
This entire D-core helped get us to the finals last year. And they are now all a year older with play off experience. The last thing IMO, Cam needs to do is waste assets on trying to make D even stronger. It is clear that we need a couple more strong forwards and possibly upgrade on back up.
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Post by jabronie10 on Nov 6, 2023 13:36:39 GMT -4
This entire D-core helped get us to the finals last year. And they are now all a year older with play off experience. The last thing IMO, Cam needs to do is waste assets on trying to make D even stronger. It is clear that we need a couple more strong forwards and possibly upgrade on back up. Yes this D for them to where they were last year only because of their offense and Rooster. They sure havent played overly good this year with the exception of Schultz and Phillips. Furlong, Moravec, MacKinnon and Martin have been a step down than they were last year. The giveaways, the passes up the middle and the sloppiness has only been minimized because of how insane Rousseau has played. If he falters even slightly then we lose 4 more games already this year. Something has to happen to solidify that D core. I’m not saying Luneau is the end all be all, but given that they are gonna get 20 year old centre and a couple depth guys, Luneau’s presence would be an overwhelming addition that I feel that would make the moose favourites
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Post by jabronie10 on Nov 6, 2023 13:37:18 GMT -4
You're talking Phillips now and Cataford as a future + picks for Luneau. Not sure Cam has the appetite for that. Package it like Moncton did for us when we got Desnoyers and L’Heureux
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Post by Herd Fan on Nov 6, 2023 13:54:45 GMT -4
Well if you are going to say 4 of the 6 D are playing down a step. You have to say its all 6. Not sure if you watched the game the other night, but Schultz was benched for his careless turnovers. Phillips is on PP2 and has nothing to show for it all year. Also, take a look at the plus minus. Schultz is worst among D with a minus 5 and Phillips isn't far behind him. Maybe Luneau does make sense. LOL
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Post by itstime on Nov 6, 2023 13:59:08 GMT -4
This entire D-core helped get us to the finals last year. And they are now all a year older with play off experience. The last thing IMO, Cam needs to do is waste assets on trying to make D even stronger. It is clear that we need a couple more strong forwards and possibly upgrade on back up. Agree upgrading something that isnt needed. I go after 2 impact 20's, I am a fan of Roelens, gives us size and a number 1 faceoff guy. And if you can get another depth 19 that would be back next year I like that move as well. I would also be okay with trading Fournier for Trenholm, and not as a scoring move but to give us some grit.
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Post by trueblue on Nov 6, 2023 16:21:47 GMT -4
Furlong, Moravec, MacKinnon and Martin have been a step down than they were last year. The giveaways, the passes up the middle and the sloppiness has only been minimized because of how insane Rousseau has played. If he falters even slightly then we lose 4 more games already this year. Something has to happen to solidify that D core. There is no way that you can watch the way MacKinnon is playing right now and say that he is a step down from where he was last year.
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Post by rookieq on Nov 6, 2023 16:36:42 GMT -4
This entire D-core helped get us to the finals last year. And they are now all a year older with play off experience. The last thing IMO, Cam needs to do is waste assets on trying to make D even stronger. It is clear that we need a couple more strong forwards and possibly upgrade on back up. Yes this D for them to where they were last year only because of their offense and Rooster. They sure havent played overly good this year with the exception of Schultz and Phillips. Furlong, Moravec, MacKinnon and Martin have been a step down than they were last year. The giveaways, the passes up the middle and the sloppiness has only been minimized because of how insane Rousseau has played. If he falters even slightly then we lose 4 more games already this year. Something has to happen to solidify that D core. I’m not saying Luneau is the end all be all, but given that they are gonna get 20 year old centre and a couple depth guys, Luneau’s presence would be an overwhelming addition that I feel that would make the moose favourites I really do not get that our D is set. This D group has been very erratic so far this year, but yes good enough to win games. Last year they were hiding behind our top forward group and Rousseau. A Luneau would change our D like from good to great. He is better than all our Ds combined. Does he garantee us the championship, not at all. Do I want to see a Cataford or Phillips as a future and top picks to go, not at all. But something needs to happen. If we keep the same D core, we really need major upgrade at the forward position to compete in playoff hockey. A crazy cheap shot on Dumais, Cataford, Vidicek like what happened to Dumais last playoff and our season would end pretty quick in the playoff.
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Post by hfxfan2002 on Nov 6, 2023 18:34:13 GMT -4
Halifax Mooseheads Trade Concept (obviously I’m not a GM so this might be a bad take)
USED PICKS Round 1 2024 Lawrence Round 2 2024 Kilfoil Round 2 2024 (Gat) Doucet
To Halifax: Justin Robidas 20 (C/RW) (signed CAR)
To Quebec Round 1 2025 Round 2 2025 Round 3 2024
To Halifax: Milo Roelens 20 (C) Joshua Fleming 19 (G)
To Bathurst Eddy Doyle 16 (D) Brody Fournier 20 (RW) Jack Milner 18 (G) Round 5 2024 Round 8 2024
To Halifax: Jeremie Minville 19 (W) Round 9 2024
To Gatineau Round 2 2026 Antoine Fontaine 17 (C) Jameson George 16 (D)
Minville | Roelens | Robidas Cataford | Vidicek | Dumais Levesque | Kilfoil | Crosby Ponzetto | MacPhee/Todd | Peitzsche Moser
Furlong | Moravec Martin | MacKinnon Schultz | Phillips MacKenzie
Rousseau Fleming
I can’t really see any scenario we got Luneau without trading Cataford as a future and picks to Gatineau.
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Post by nowuknow on Nov 6, 2023 20:00:09 GMT -4
Halifax Mooseheads Trade Concept (obviously I’m not a GM so this might be a bad take) USED PICKS Round 1 2024 Lawrence Round 2 2024 Kilfoil Round 2 2024 (Gat) Doucet To Halifax: Justin Robidas 20 (C/RW) (signed CAR) To Quebec Round 1 2025 Round 2 2025 Round 3 2024 To Halifax: Milo Roelens 20 (C) Joshua Fleming 19 (G) To Bathurst Eddy Doyle 16 (D) Brody Fournier 20 (RW) Jack Milner 18 (G) Round 5 2024 Round 8 2024 To Halifax: Jeremie Minville 19 (W) Round 9 2024 To Gatineau Round 2 2026 Antoine Fontaine 17 (C) Jameson George 16 (D) Minville | Roelens | Robidas Cataford | Vidicek | Dumais Levesque | Kilfoil | Crosby Ponzetto | MacPhee/Todd | Peitzsche Moser Furlong | Moravec Martin | MacKinnon Schultz | Phillips MacKenzie Rousseau Fleming I can’t really see any scenario we got Luneau without trading Cataford as a future and picks to Gatineau. First off, the only other center that is better than Vidicek and might be available is Robidas. Vidicek outplayed Roelens last year and was taking huge faceoffs and winning some vs Gaucher in the finals. I remember him playing great in big playoff games last year. To me, if you get both Roelens & Robidas then Robidas is your #1 center, Vidicek your #2, and Roelens your #3. That would send Killfoil to the wing along with Lou Levesque…. something along the lines of; Levesque/Robidas/Killfoil Cataford/Vidicek/Dumais Peitzsche/Roelens/Crosby Moser/Macphee/Todd Ponzetto
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Post by hfxfan2002 on Nov 6, 2023 20:50:46 GMT -4
Halifax Mooseheads Trade Concept (obviously I’m not a GM so this might be a bad take) USED PICKS Round 1 2024 Lawrence Round 2 2024 Kilfoil Round 2 2024 (Gat) Doucet To Halifax: Justin Robidas 20 (C/RW) (signed CAR) To Quebec Round 1 2025 Round 2 2025 Round 3 2024 To Halifax: Milo Roelens 20 (C) Joshua Fleming 19 (G) To Bathurst Eddy Doyle 16 (D) Brody Fournier 20 (RW) Jack Milner 18 (G) Round 5 2024 Round 8 2024 To Halifax: Jeremie Minville 19 (W) Round 9 2024 To Gatineau Round 2 2026 Antoine Fontaine 17 (C) Jameson George 16 (D) Minville | Roelens | Robidas Cataford | Vidicek | Dumais Levesque | Kilfoil | Crosby Ponzetto | MacPhee/Todd | Peitzsche Moser Furlong | Moravec Martin | MacKinnon Schultz | Phillips MacKenzie Rousseau Fleming I can’t really see any scenario we got Luneau without trading Cataford as a future and picks to Gatineau. First off, the only other center that is better than Vidicek and might be available is Robidas. Vidicek outplayed Roelens last year and was taking huge faceoffs and winning some vs Gaucher in the finals. I remember him playing great in big playoff games last year. To me, if you get both Roelens & Robidas then Robidas is your #1 center, Vidicek your #2, and Roelens your #3. That would send Killfoil to the wing along with Lou Levesque…. something along the lines of; Levesque/Robidas/Killfoil Cataford/Vidicek/Dumais Peitzsche/Roelens/Crosby Moser/Macphee/Todd Ponzetto Yup, that works too.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 6, 2023 21:54:49 GMT -4
Some of it sounds pretty silly, we are not trading Dumais or any of our other core players, our team is good enough to make another run; we still have our entire D core back and Furlong was a +5 last week and I like MacKinnon. I'm sure Cam will address the holes and yes maybe potentially look for a backup.(People are forgetting we still have a third 20 spot, Roelens may be attractive but some fans think he is, is a big body not that impressive and we have Vidicek) Were not going to trade anybody that is going to help us in our run, especially if we are still fighting for 1st in the Division. And in my humble opinion I think Cam would be crazy to trade Cataford, really I think our entire first line is safe. Really I don't get why everyone is ragging on the D they may have had some bad games but its Nov and we've lost 4 games(And as we learnt last Wed never ever count this team out). (And from what I heard someone said on a recent interview the team focus right now is on Defence)
I think they don't trade/touch
Dumais Cataford Vidicek Rousseau Most of the D!
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Post by mooseman89 on Nov 7, 2023 11:27:45 GMT -4
I think the panic button has been pushed too early. Last year through 18 games the Mooseheads were 11-4-3 (25 points). This year we turned two of those OT/SO losses into wins. We did not get Lawrence until late November & Doucet until a few days before Christmas. Cam & staff know what they have and we will be completely fine. We'll all look back on this and laugh next April/ May when we punch our ticket to the finals for the second consecutive season.
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