Islander vs Titan - Jan. 28/24

[Mika]

Jan 29, 2024 12:24:36 GMT -4 heyref said:

Jan 29, 2024 11:08:03 GMT -4 bois said:

I mean he has virtually no competition right now so i'd say he is a lock

not like we have a bunch of picks to toss around to add anyone at the draft as a stopgap 20

but yes good on the kid for coming back with a renewed energy and dedictaion to whatever it was that held him back early in the year

Vos

Not really a 20 year old to be excited over, even if his game slowly has improved.

[countryboy]

Hughes
Swan
Vos
Michel
Bickle

Those are the 2004 born players on our roster and eligible to be 20 y/o players next season


And we really don't have any picks to dangle to try to acquire any cheap 20 y/o players either.

[bois]

Jan 29, 2024 12:24:36 GMT -4 heyref said:

Jan 29, 2024 11:08:03 GMT -4 bois said:

I mean he has virtually no competition right now so i'd say he is a lock

not like we have a bunch of picks to toss around to add anyone at the draft as a stopgap 20

but yes good on the kid for coming back with a renewed energy and dedictaion to whatever it was that held him back early in the year

Vos

currently 5 04 born players on the roster

Hughes 37 14-10-24
Vos 48 3-16-19
Swan 42 9-8-17 (1-3-4 in 8 GP for us)
Michel 1-6-7

Bickle 29 GP 11-17 W-L 3.68 GAA and .881 save percentage


I think I stand by my comment especially based on recent play Hughes is a lock for an overage slot if decision had to be made today

[bois]

i'll go so far as to say right now we likely go with

Hughes, Vos, Bickle

pretty underwhelming group of overagers

which is why i'm not very excited about next year either

of course lots can change..... but i would take our losses go with in house options save our picks best we can and make a splash next year at the draft or the trade deadline by perhaps moving someone others think we should be building around

[Mika]

Jan 29, 2024 14:16:22 GMT -4 bois said:

i'll go so far as to say right now we likely go with

Hughes, Vos, Bickle

pretty underwhelming group of overagers

which is why i'm not very excited about next year either

of course lots can change..... but i would take our losses go with in house options save our picks best we can and make a splash next year at the draft or the trade deadline by perhaps moving someone others think we should be building around

This summer is our last with no first round pick right? If there was going to be a bottom out year, next year would be it if we have our pick. I hope we do anyway, this is brutal trying to rebuild with no assets or even players teams want.

[Jack Bauer]

Jan 29, 2024 14:20:06 GMT -4 Mika said:

Jan 29, 2024 14:16:22 GMT -4 bois said:

i'll go so far as to say right now we likely go with

Hughes, Vos, Bickle

pretty underwhelming group of overagers

which is why i'm not very excited about next year either

of course lots can change..... but i would take our losses go with in house options save our picks best we can and make a splash next year at the draft or the trade deadline by perhaps moving someone others think we should be building around

This summer is our last with no first round pick right? If there was going to be a bottom out year, next year would be it if we have our pick. I hope we do anyway, this is brutal trying to rebuild with no assets or even players teams want.

Now imagine being the more casual fan who doesn't know all the ins and outs around cycles and trading and its this long rebuild back to even the middle of the league.

No wonder teams have such a tough time going through rebuilds. The draft pick trading is reckless and hurts how fans view these franchises when they're losing and not getting any reward from a high draft pick.

If this was an NHL or NBA team being managed this way we'd expect to see them playing in front of half full arena's. Yet fans of Q teams are almost guilted into blindly supporting the product and are supposed to almost act as if the results don't matter.

[Mika]

Jan 29, 2024 14:26:31 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Jan 29, 2024 14:20:06 GMT -4 Mika said:

This summer is our last with no first round pick right? If there was going to be a bottom out year, next year would be it if we have our pick. I hope we do anyway, this is brutal trying to rebuild with no assets or even players teams want.

Now imagine being the more casual fan who doesn't know all the ins and outs around cycles and trading and its this long rebuild back to even the middle of the league.

No wonder teams have such a tough time going through rebuilds. The draft pick trading is reckless and hurts how fans view these franchises when they're losing and not getting any reward from a high draft pick.

If this was an NHL or NBA team being managed this way we'd expect to see them playing in front of half full arena's. Yet fans of Q teams are almost guilted into blindly supporting the product and are supposed to almost act as if the results don't matter.

We just went crazy trading picks. Drummondville ultimately ended up with 2 first round picks from us for Simoneau. There's definitely some stinkers in the trade list that we made over the last few years.

A lot feel like trades you make in NHL 24 when you just want to stack your team and don't really care or know how trade mechanics work.

Justin Gill and 2 first round picks for Guay and a 5th

20 year old Simoneau for two 1st round picks

But then the Laaouan and Joseph trades we completely knock out of the park. There's wise spending for a run and then there's reckless spending. We chose the latter and ultimately have nothing to show for it; a playoff run to the finals overshadowed by another run where we lose in round 3.

And it won't be until we actually have a first round pick that we can really get the rebuild going. That's probably the worst part.

[bois]

Jan 29, 2024 15:02:09 GMT -4 Mika said:

Jan 29, 2024 14:26:31 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Now imagine being the more casual fan who doesn't know all the ins and outs around cycles and trading and its this long rebuild back to even the middle of the league.

No wonder teams have such a tough time going through rebuilds. The draft pick trading is reckless and hurts how fans view these franchises when they're losing and not getting any reward from a high draft pick.

If this was an NHL or NBA team being managed this way we'd expect to see them playing in front of half full arena's. Yet fans of Q teams are almost guilted into blindly supporting the product and are supposed to almost act as if the results don't matter.

We just went crazy trading picks. Drummondville ultimately ended up with 2 first round picks from us for Simoneau. There's definitely some stinkers in the trade list that we made over the last few years.

A lot feel like trades you make in NHL 24 when you just want to stack your team and don't really care or know how trade mechanics work.

Justin Gill and 2 first round picks for Guay and a 5th

20 year old Simoneau for two 1st round picks

But then the Laaouan and Joseph trades we completely knock out of the park. There's wise spending for a run and then there's reckless spending. We chose the latter and ultimately have nothing to show for it; a playoff run to the finals overshadowed by another run where we lose in round 3.

And it won't be until we actually have a first round pick that we can really get the rebuild going. That's probably the worst part.

we've only picked in the first round twice under Hulton

Lukas Cormier (pick acquired from Val Dor i believe)

and

Owen Conrad (last pick of last years first round which was moved between teams about 6 times before we wound up with it lol)


it is a concern that first round picks have been tossed around like candy while going for it but at the same point not ensuring we have ability to get some of those picks back when it's time to unload

it's great that we have a pipeline into Ontario to land players that we didn't seem to have much luck with under previous regimes and that our scouts can identify and grab players outside the 1st round but it's time to start again building thru the draft and you need those picks to do so

[bois]

Jan 29, 2024 14:20:06 GMT -4 Mika said:

Jan 29, 2024 14:16:22 GMT -4 bois said:

i'll go so far as to say right now we likely go with

Hughes, Vos, Bickle

pretty underwhelming group of overagers

which is why i'm not very excited about next year either

of course lots can change..... but i would take our losses go with in house options save our picks best we can and make a splash next year at the draft or the trade deadline by perhaps moving someone others think we should be building around

This summer is our last with no first round pick right? If there was going to be a bottom out year, next year would be it if we have our pick. I hope we do anyway, this is brutal trying to rebuild with no assets or even players teams want.

i believe so yes but honestly won't be surprised if we wind up moving our firsts down the road to acquire either someone to fit the cycle they declared their building around (the Keasey age group) or to replenish the very bare current draft pick bank we have.... 3 picks in the 8th round isn't gonna move ya up to far so you either move players or dig into future years draft cupboards to deal with it

if this is Hultons last contract and he desires one last chance to win a title here...... you can likely look forward to not drafting in round one anytime soon

[bois]

i still maintain the trade for Colten Ellis was the costliest one ...... pandemic aside which is nobody's fault... giving up a 3rd in the current draft and a 1st and a 2nd in the next draft for an overage goalie was insanely expensive

Guay cost alot but you were getting multiple runs out of him so that can be forgiven..... the fact we couldn't cash out on moving him sucked tho

Simoneau was fine IMO... and likely ties all to Joseph trade if you go back far enough... two teams scratching each others backs for their peak cycles... no problem with it

[countryboy]

The Cormier pick at 4th overall came from Val-d’Or when we sent David Henley back up there.

It was something of a compassion trade. His father was sick with cancer at the time. I’m not sure if his brothers were playing in the league then, but it was a move that was made to send Henley close to home.

You never know how things will play out. It’s a trade we made with the player’s interests #1….and we ended up picking maybe one of the best players who has ever suited up for the Islanders/Rocket franchise

[islander19]

Luckily we’ve been pretty lucky on hitting on some picks IMO.

Certainly no superstars, but you get Michaud, Flanagan, Butler, etc who all are hopefully good pieces in a few years - and none were first round picks. Technically Conrad wouldn’t have even been a first rounder as he was picked 20th I believe.

Once we finally get our first, second, third round picks you have to like our chances with the choices the team has been making lately

[Mika]

Jan 29, 2024 16:11:08 GMT -4 countryboy said:

The Cormier pick at 4th overall came from Val-d’Or when we sent David Henley back up there.

It was something of a compassion trade. His father was sick with cancer at the time. I’m not sure if his brothers were playing in the league then, but it was a move that was made to send Henley close to home.

You never know how things will play out. It’s a trade we made with the player’s interests #1….and we ended up picking maybe one of the best players who has ever suited up for the Islanders/Rocket franchise

It worked out great for us and definitely in that situation you try to make a trade work for the player. Sucked losing Henley, but it was absolutely the right move regardless of whether or not it landed us Cormier.

[L'il Boy]

Jan 29, 2024 15:28:01 GMT -4 bois said:

i still maintain the trade for Colten Ellis was the costliest one ...... pandemic aside which is nobody's fault... giving up a 3rd in the current draft and a 1st and a 2nd in the next draft for an overage goalie was insanely expensive

Guay cost alot but you were getting multiple runs out of him so that can be forgiven..... the fact we couldn't cash out on moving him sucked tho

Simoneau was fine IMO... and likely ties all to Joseph trade if you go back far enough... two teams scratching each others backs for their peak cycles... no problem with it

Trudeau too....I don't think anyone saw that coming....

[L'il Boy]

Jan 29, 2024 15:02:09 GMT -4 Mika said:

Jan 29, 2024 14:26:31 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Now imagine being the more casual fan who doesn't know all the ins and outs around cycles and trading and its this long rebuild back to even the middle of the league.

No wonder teams have such a tough time going through rebuilds. The draft pick trading is reckless and hurts how fans view these franchises when they're losing and not getting any reward from a high draft pick.

If this was an NHL or NBA team being managed this way we'd expect to see them playing in front of half full arena's. Yet fans of Q teams are almost guilted into blindly supporting the product and are supposed to almost act as if the results don't matter.

We just went crazy trading picks. Drummondville ultimately ended up with 2 first round picks from us for Simoneau. There's definitely some stinkers in the trade list that we made over the last few years.

A lot feel like trades you make in NHL 24 when you just want to stack your team and don't really care or know how trade mechanics work.

Justin Gill and 2 first round picks for Guay and a 5th

20 year old Simoneau for two 1st round picks

But then the Laaouan and Joseph trades we completely knock out of the park. There's wise spending for a run and then there's reckless spending. We chose the latter and ultimately have nothing to show for it; a playoff run to the finals overshadowed by another run where we lose in round 3.

And it won't be until we actually have a first round pick that we can really get the rebuild going. That's probably the worst part.

You can't have it both ways. The Isles don't even get to the final 4, let alone the finals, without Simoneau and Guay. If we had beat Shawinigan in the finals, no one on this board is complaining about the cost.