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Post by fanofthegame on May 9, 2024 9:56:46 GMT -4
You may be right, but what else was he going to say? Sly needs every GM in the league thinking he is torn on the 20 decision and it all hinges on the perceived value for each. Make me a deal on Milota I can't refuse and I will keep Ruccia. No, it doesn't. In hinges on what players you have and how you project your team. Not what each player is worth. Ruccia's value on the trade market doesn't change who your overagers are. How you project Milota has way more say in that decision. Milota will always have more value. He's an 18yr old coming off a great season. Exactly why you're keeping him as your #1 guy as you look at both 24-25 and 25-26 as seasons you can compete. Keeping Milota also plays into some of the culture change thats happening. Keep your players happy. Have a solid group of depth to replace older players in your system. What I do know is this: They didn't say he will be back next year with the plans of that being anything but the undisputed #1 goaltender if he is. I fully expect Ruccia to be moved. All I am saying is, that by stating that you are keeping Milota, it keeps Houde's value up a bit, that's all. You can easily make an argument to keep Ruccia over Milota as well and look back on it 2 years from now with zero regrets. This is a very unique situation to be in, with so many options, I don't think anything is a slam dunk at this point.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2024 9:57:40 GMT -4
Rimouski has 5 1sts available over 4 years. They could easily make a deal for both. Feels like they'd be getting a pretty good deal but you're right I was assuming at least 2 of those would be going to Halifax, I think our assets that we can offer are better overall to Drummondville. I'd be expecting Gauthier to command a slightly higher price than Cataford myself. Not that simple as to who is the highest bidder in this league. You have the highest bidder but a team the player and agent don't want to go to. You have a slightly lower bidder but a team the player and agent want to go to. Politics will always come into play whether we like it or not. I just don't see how we convince those high end guys as long as Rimouski is out there with lots of assets and the ability to use every one of them to stack this years team.
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Post by Briwhel on May 9, 2024 9:58:12 GMT -4
If the plan is to compete both of the next two years, wouldn't an impact 2006 make sense. I could see something like Lacerte (06), Tourigny (05 D) and Hamel (05 Goalie) from Shawinagan. That would fill 3 spots for us. What would this package look like on our end. Huge... You are likely looking at both 1sts, Ricard, more picks (and possibly needing to offer a future as well). Tourigny is the best 05 D available, Lacerte is a PPG 18 (think Burbidge cost or more minimum), and Hamel is likely not available at any price.
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Post by fanofthegame on May 9, 2024 10:00:05 GMT -4
I feel like if a deal for Gauthier was already a slam dunk it'd have been leaked by a french reporter at this point, which is what gives me hope that he's still our #1 target. I understand it's a french league, french GM's, players, etc - but if you're Drummondville and you're looking at what Rimouski gave up for Cataford, how would they possibly have an offer that's even close to what we could offer with 1st overall +? It's not like Rimouski is even flush with picks, they have 1 additional first rounder and it's probably already accounted for in the Cataford deal anyway. You'd think they'd have a better chance at getting Daignais to report as well with the french connection. So I'm going to keep holding out hope there. Rimouski has 5 1sts available over 4 years. They could easily make a deal for both. They do, but their biggest hole is on D, which needs to be addressed. Bring in both and what is left to patch the hole that causes the biggest leak. I don't think they are getting both.
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Post by fanofthegame on May 9, 2024 10:02:20 GMT -4
Feels like they'd be getting a pretty good deal but you're right I was assuming at least 2 of those would be going to Halifax, I think our assets that we can offer are better overall to Drummondville. I'd be expecting Gauthier to command a slightly higher price than Cataford myself. Not that simple as to who is the highest bidder in this league. You have the highest bidder but a team the player and agent don't want to go to. You have a slightly lower bidder but a team the player and agent want to go to. Politics will always come into play whether we like it or not. I just don't see how we convince those high end guys as long as Rimouski is out there with lots of assets and the ability to use every one of them to stack this years team. Gauthier's agent is Ricard's father. He is also Cataford's and Cibulka's agent.
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Post by Briwhel on May 9, 2024 10:02:30 GMT -4
If the goal is to be competitive over time, then getting guys like Gendron/Huggins and Mateiko are a very good idea (especially before they have any chance to boost their value).
Trading the moon for Cataford/Gauthier depends on Halifax/Drummondville willing to talk trade right now. Drummondville might keep him until Christmas (especially since they might actually be the best team in their division given how weak it will be).
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Post by Briwhel on May 9, 2024 10:03:55 GMT -4
Rimouski has 5 1sts available over 4 years. They could easily make a deal for both. They do, but their biggest hole is on D, which needs to be addressed. Bring in both and what is left to patch the hole that causes the biggest leak. I don't think they are getting both. Futures and other picks for Roy
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 9, 2024 10:04:46 GMT -4
No, it doesn't. In hinges on what players you have and how you project your team. Not what each player is worth. Ruccia's value on the trade market doesn't change who your overagers are. How you project Milota has way more say in that decision. Milota will always have more value. He's an 18yr old coming off a great season. Exactly why you're keeping him as your #1 guy as you look at both 24-25 and 25-26 as seasons you can compete. Keeping Milota also plays into some of the culture change thats happening. Keep your players happy. Have a solid group of depth to replace older players in your system. What I do know is this: They didn't say he will be back next year with the plans of that being anything but the undisputed #1 goaltender if he is. I fully expect Ruccia to be moved. All I am saying is, that by stating that you are keeping Milota, it keeps Houde's value up a bit, that's all. You can easily make an argument to keep Ruccia over Milota as well and look back on it 2 years from now with zero regrets. This is a very unique situation to be in, with so many options, I don't think anything is a slam dunk at this point. Houde's value isn't changed no matter who our goaltender is. He's an overage forward. His market is what it is regardless of the goaltending situation. Milota is 18 with 2 years of a #1 goaltender to come and at 17 had numbers not far off of Ruccia. Plays for his country at the U18 level. Came here at 17 and didn't complain about having a veteran ahead of him. I just think you're rewarding that kid and betting on his potential and looking at going into 25-26 with one of the top goalies in Milota and one of the top D in Lavoie.
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Post by fanofthegame on May 9, 2024 10:04:59 GMT -4
They do, but their biggest hole is on D, which needs to be addressed. Bring in both and what is left to patch the hole that causes the biggest leak. I don't think they are getting both. Futures and other picks for Roy Roy is heading to Val'Dor according to the fans on the french boards.
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Post by Briwhel on May 9, 2024 10:05:51 GMT -4
Futures and other picks for Roy Roy is heading to Val'Dor according to the fans on the french boards. Yes, he is. But there's a near 0 chance that he stays there all year.
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Post by gocapebreton on May 9, 2024 10:15:54 GMT -4
I feel like if a deal for Gauthier was already a slam dunk it'd have been leaked by a french reporter at this point, which is what gives me hope that he's still our #1 target. I understand it's a french league, french GM's, players, etc - but if you're Drummondville and you're looking at what Rimouski gave up for Cataford, how would they possibly have an offer that's even close to what we could offer with 1st overall +? It's not like Rimouski is even flush with picks, they have 1 additional first rounder and it's probably already accounted for in the Cataford deal anyway. You'd think they'd have a better chance at getting Daignais to report as well with the french connection. So I'm going to keep holding out hope there. If not, then you keep trading back and acquiring assets. There's also a real possibility that a team picks Lawrence/Daignais just to keep them away from SJ/Quebec, we've certainly seen that happen before. It's not a guarantee that either will be available when they pick, so there's of course the possibility of getting some premium assets while trading back there. Anyway, just my two cents. I don't think Ruccia will be back next year either, and it seems like Cibulka is going to play pro. Could use the euro draft to pick an 18/19 year old euro who will fit right in and be an impact player from day 1. I don't think moving a #1 pick for an impact player basically 1 for 1 is going to happen. I expect that the #1 pick will be turned into a quantity of assets. That quantity will build a deep team. But I'm not expecting any of these big names to come via that pick, honestly. Will be interesting to see where this all goes. The good news is the Q draft always comes quickly it feels like. For my two cents, I would rather they not trade the #1 OA for any 1 on 1 impact. I would rather acquire more assets and perhaps use some of those to acquire an impact 20 yo center.
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Post by sherwood1020 on May 13, 2024 17:19:36 GMT -4
Just for Spits and Giggles, does Victoriaville potentially trading up to #3 make them a suitor to move up even further in pursuit of #1?
If they dangle Larose and third overall on the draft floor for #1 if I'm in Couterier's shoes I'm taking it and running.
Toss in a big body in Lavigne and I'm sure we could throw them something back their way to grease the wheels.
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Post by davo1997 on May 13, 2024 17:30:45 GMT -4
Just for Spits and Giggles, does Victoriaville potentially trading up to #3 make them a suitor to move up even further in pursuit of #1? If they dangle Larose and third overall on the draft floor for #1 if I'm in Couterier's shoes I'm taking it and running. Toss in a big body in Lavigne and I'm sure we could throw them something back their way to grease the wheels. No kidding if your couturier you run with that lol Larose and 3rd overall for 1st is just so bad
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Post by Briwhel on May 13, 2024 17:34:29 GMT -4
Just for Spits and Giggles, does Victoriaville potentially trading up to #3 make them a suitor to move up even further in pursuit of #1? If they dangle Larose and third overall on the draft floor for #1 if I'm in Couterier's shoes I'm taking it and running. Toss in a big body in Lavigne and I'm sure we could throw them something back their way to grease the wheels. #1 might not get you Larose straight up. You could make a solid argument that he's the best 05 in the league (outscored Gauthier and didn't have Dumais to pad his stats).
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Post by fanofthegame on May 13, 2024 18:04:06 GMT -4
Just for Spits and Giggles, does Victoriaville potentially trading up to #3 make them a suitor to move up even further in pursuit of #1? If they dangle Larose and third overall on the draft floor for #1 if I'm in Couterier's shoes I'm taking it and running. Toss in a big body in Lavigne and I'm sure we could throw them something back their way to grease the wheels. Really, Larose? I don’t see a fit for this player in Cape. How do we get him 25 mins of ice and even somewhat defensively responsible? I really don’t see our brass having any interest in this player.
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