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Post by SteveUL on Jun 9, 2008 12:45:38 GMT -4
who only reported because you were hosting the Mem Cup. He might as well have been a FA. He had no options ... he couldn't get into a NCAA program due to weak academics ... he was Q drafted and we traded to get him ... not even close to being a FA. Coming to the Q was the best available option and it certainly paid off for him ... CHL Dman of the year. Would he have been in the AHL and NHL the following year if he hadn't come through the Q and played USHL ?
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Post by bjindaho on Jun 9, 2008 12:49:17 GMT -4
Are you suggesting that you think there was any way he'd report to Saint John?
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 9, 2008 13:00:26 GMT -4
Are you suggesting that you think there was any way he'd report to Saint John? Nope ... he probably would have played USHL if that was his only option ... his need was to be seen by the scouts and that wasn't going to happen on a 1st year SJ team.
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Post by chootoi on Jun 9, 2008 15:50:18 GMT -4
didn't we get a fifth or something for tim "sportsnet" spencer?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 9, 2008 16:09:13 GMT -4
didn't we get a fifth or something for tim "sportsnet" spencer? A 5th that was sent back for Daniel Whelan, who did not come to camp...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 9, 2008 16:09:59 GMT -4
Are you suggesting that you think there was any way he'd report to Saint John? Nope ... he probably would have played USHL if that was his only option ... his need was to be seen by the scouts and that wasn't going to happen on a 1st year SJ team. Yandle was already drafted before that, Phoenix would have probably pushed him to the Q as soon as he couldn't get in Maine or Lowell.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 9, 2008 19:41:34 GMT -4
Are you suggesting that you think there was any way he'd report to Saint John? Nope ... he probably would have played USHL if that was his only option ... his need was to be seen by the scouts and that wasn't going to happen on a 1st year SJ team. Why does Moncton have all the scouts!
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 9, 2008 19:47:09 GMT -4
Nope ... he probably would have played USHL if that was his only option ... his need was to be seen by the scouts and that wasn't going to happen on a 1st year SJ team. Why does Moncton have all the scouts! Nope ... just several.
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Post by Sébastien on Jun 9, 2008 20:13:37 GMT -4
Yandle was a special case. There were so many things going on with him that weren't in your typical "I pick my team" cases:
1. He wasn't getting into the NCAA 2. Moncton was guaranteed a spot at the Memorial Cup 3. He was to be coached by Ted Nolan 4. Isn't his uncle US scout for the team or something? I think I heard that.
Saying this is simply a package offer that got him here couldn't be further off. No, he probably wouldn't have reported to any team in the league, but I doubt the $$$ got him here.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 9, 2008 21:12:01 GMT -4
Marquardt was a little different than the rest though ... under today's rules he wouldn't be in the Q. He still could have come to the Q if he wanted. He just wouldn't have been guaranteed to end up in Moncton.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 9, 2008 21:21:22 GMT -4
I think what they need are synchronised protected lists, same number across Canada plus similar waiver systems. They can't have synchronized protected lists with the same number of players as long as the 3 leagues draft players at different ages. It's the main reason why their are so many more FAs from the OHL and WHL available. In the WHL, on a typical team's protected list, they'll have around 12 15 year olds and 12 16 year olds taking up nearly half of their 50 man list, leaving around 25 spots for all their 17-20 year olds. In the Q, there will be around 4 16 year olds taking up spots on a team's 50 man list, leaving 45+ spots for 17-20 year olds.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 9, 2008 22:55:49 GMT -4
I think what they need are synchronised protected lists, same number across Canada plus similar waiver systems. They can't have synchronized protected lists with the same number of players as long as the 3 leagues draft players at different ages. It's the main reason why their are so many more FAs from the OHL and WHL available. In the WHL, on a typical team's protected list, they'll have around 12 15 year olds and 12 16 year olds taking up nearly half of their 50 man list, leaving around 25 spots for all their 17-20 year olds. In the Q, there will be around 4 16 year olds taking up spots on a team's 50 man list, leaving 45+ spots for 17-20 year olds. That shouldn't matter, they can use those extra 15 and 16 year olds as affiliates. If 24 of their 50 man list are 15 and 16, they won't need many 18-19 year olds on there as callups or for depth.
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Post by dar on Oct 9, 2008 12:38:39 GMT -4
Over the past few years, we have had to rely more on Free Agents due to lack of picks (resulting from trades for the Memorial Cup). We have had some success with some of these FA, and some of them are paying dividends down the road as we got return for them in trades. Sniderman Gave us some good goaltending when we needed it. Got traded to RN for an 8th round pick. We traded that pick to Chicoutimi for a 7th round pick in 2009. Lavigne Again helped in the net when needed. Got traded to Que for a 4th round 2009 draft pick. Mangan Boosted our offense when it was in need. Traded to the Fog Devils with a 7th round pick for a 2nd round pick and a 4th round pick. The second round gave us half a G Boileau-Domingue (another 2nd round pick was use to trade up for this 1st round pick). The fourth gave us F Daoust. Marquardt Great player for our 4th line in the Memorial Cup run. Scored a lot of goals in the following seasons. We traded him with Gomes (throw in in my opinion), for a 2009 1st round pick, a 2008 2nd round pick and a 2008 5th round pick and D Savard. The 2nd was the other half that allowed us to get G Boileau-Domingue. The 5th round pick yielded D Downe. Maclellan Hard working forward that delivered some great work ethics. He was traded for a 4th round pick in 2009 to CB. Ouskun Saw some limited action as a Wildcat. We traded him to obtain a 2007 1st round euro pick. We obtained Baca which was traded to obtain an 8th round pick in 2009. Little Only played in exhibition games. Traded to PEI for an 8th round pick in 2008. We drafted F Lariviere. Other players that joined our team as free agents, that have given us various levels of success over the past few years (but that were not traded), MacDonald, Morehouse, Biduke, Eastman, Stephens, Herr, Wilson and Tolles. All in all, we still have Biduke and Stephens as Free Agents, and the trades gave us: 1st round pick Boileau-Domigue 4th round pick Daoust 5th round pick Downe 8th round pick Lariviere D David Savard BC 2009 1st round pick Que 2009 4th round pick CB 2009 4th round pick Chi 7th round pick RN 2009 8th round (we also gave away a 7th 2008 pick in the process) We have recuperated a lot of the picks that we lost through great scouting/signing of Free Agents. Just thought i'd bring this up again now that we know the new additions a little bit more. There were also two other trades not implicating free agents that is worth mentioning. We traded Labelle for a third round pick that brought over Roski. We traded Lamoureux for a 5th round pick which was traded for two other picks (5th rounder Cadet and 6th rounder Noseworthy).
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 9, 2008 12:48:38 GMT -4
Just thought i'd bring this up again now that we know the new additions a little bit more. There were also two other trades not implicating free agents that is worth mentioning. We traded Labelle for a third round pick that brought over Roski. We traded Lamoureux for a 5th round pick which was traded for two other picks (5th rounder Cadet and 6th rounder Noseworthy). Weren't Labelle and Lamoureux draft picks?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 9, 2008 12:50:32 GMT -4
Just thought i'd bring this up again now that we know the new additions a little bit more. There were also two other trades not implicating free agents that is worth mentioning. We traded Labelle for a third round pick that brought over Roski. We traded Lamoureux for a 5th round pick which was traded for two other picks (5th rounder Cadet and 6th rounder Noseworthy). Weren't Labelle and Lamoureux draft picks? Read carefully... There were also two other trades not implicating free agents that is worth mentioning ;D
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