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Post by Sébastien on Sept 1, 2008 11:08:17 GMT -4
I have to agree with Sec21critic. I would see no point in letting Lessard go. He's a proven Q player. Might not be a dominant force, is slightly frustrating to watch at times, but he would crack pretty much any Q team's roster right now.
I think the main reason are frustrated with him is also the reason why others would want to hold on to him, is because of the second half of his 17 YO season. He exploded then, throwing checks, putting pucks in the net and setting up plays for his teamates. He definitaly took a step backwards last year, but at the worst, he could be traded for some assets. Simply letting him go is not an option as I see it.
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 1, 2008 11:16:36 GMT -4
Another thing
Concerning 24 Man roster, I think you'll see Cats carry 26-27 man roster for opening couple of weeks of the regular season. They're gonna loose 3 players for sure to Pro Camps (Cameron, Barberio, Riopel). After they get reassigned back to Junior, then you'll see a 24 man roster. Until then you might see a few kids play a couple of games before getting reassigned to Midget, JrA, etc. Just my opinion.
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Post by Doublesnipers on Sept 1, 2008 11:18:11 GMT -4
I gotta say Im pretty surprised with a few of these signings, and wondering if Im the only one....
Who on this board thinks that Jodoin has played himself onto this roster. I dont have a mark beside his name from one of the intersquad games at all, which tells me he showed me nothing. On the other hand I have marks all around Downe who has me really wanting him on this team. I have him head and shoulders above Jodoin and there is two years of difference there. (16 vs 18)
As for the forwards, why has he signed Pettersson??? The guy had one goal and it was a shootout goal, while im looking at guys like O'brien (like 11 points in interquad and a decent although pointless outing last night), Tremblay who I feel is playing his way onto this team, Noseworthy also. I guess we are taking about having an 18 year old versus these three one at 16 and two at 17. Ya expereince (age) may help this year but now these other three miss out on the chance to develop experience in the Q, cause you know they will prob be on the team the next year. I mean seriously I find Mr Billy Martin (great name) has even played better than Petterson. Karl Blain is another guy. He is 18 and he has outplayed Petterson as well.
Kinda frustrating, will be intersting to see how this all pans out in the end, but this is my two cents on here and I just wonder if anyone else is thinking along the same lines, especially in the case of Jodoin vs Downe and Peterson vs the three of four players I named...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 1, 2008 11:18:15 GMT -4
I think Lessard, Brenton and Stevens deserve to stay until Xmas to prove themselves. Two that I would look at trading are MacAusland mainly because he plays to small for this league and Cameron - a flop, the biggest underachiever in recent years. The biggest problem area is scoring and they haven't signed Trembley? Wake up Flynn! For all of Cameron's underachieving, he still has 3 times the points as Brenton and twice what Brannon and Lessard have. I agree he has not lived up to the level of his ability but I don't think the Cats are in a position to just cut or trade him for a pick. MacAusland is 17, if he is still at the same level a year from now maybe you have a point but to give up on him now would be dumb. Tremblay shows nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired. He's definitely made a case for himself, but is he better than Eagles, Bidduke, Brown or Fomin? He's coming from ME so I can see them sending him to MAAA for a half or full year to work on the rest of his game, maybe he comes up if one or more of Brenton, Lessard, Brannon get moved at or before midseason.
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Post by Rocky Saganiuk on Sept 1, 2008 11:21:14 GMT -4
Lessard can play the role of an experienced gritty winger, and we are ready to show him the door?
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 1, 2008 11:24:08 GMT -4
Downe deserves a spot on the team IMO. He played great in intersquad game that I've seen him and played really well last night playing with Gormley.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 1, 2008 11:25:04 GMT -4
I gotta say Im pretty surprised with a few of these signings, and wondering if Im the only one.... Who on this board thinks that Jodoin has played himself onto this roster. I dont have a mark beside his name from one of the intersquad games at all, which tells me he showed me nothing. On the other hand I have marks all around Downe who has me really wanting him on this team. I have him head and shoulders above Jodoin and there is two years of difference there. (16 vs 18) As for the forwards, why has he signed Pettersson??? The guy had one goal and it was a shootout goal, while im looking at guys like O'brien (like 11 points in interquad and a decent although pointless outing last night), Tremblay who I feel is playing his way onto this team, Noseworthy also. I guess we are taking about having an 18 year old versus these three one at 16 and two at 17. Ya expereince (age) may help this year but now these other three miss out on the chance to develop experience in the Q, cause you know they will prob be on the team the next year. I mean seriously I find Mr Billy Martin (great name) has even played better than Petterson. Karl Blain is another guy. He is 18 and he has outplayed Petterson as well. Kinda frustrating, will be intersting to see how this all pans out in the end, but this is my two cents on here and I just wonder if anyone else is thinking along the same lines, especially in the case of Jodoin vs Downe and Peterson vs the three of four players I named... I think Downe and Jodoin will both make it. Bell played his way back to MAAA, really struggled last night plus Voynov probably won't be here for 3-4 weeks so they need 2 rookies with Dimitruk and Gormley. Fraser has had a solid camp, I think after a year in Jr.A he could be a Q player, Cadet can use a year MAAA. Paul is in the same situation as Fraser, keep both on the 50 man list and play a year Jr.A. O'brien is smooth with the puck but I don't think he is physically strong enough for the Q right now...not sure if he can play Jr.A, another year dominating MAAA in NFLD wouldn't really help him so I'm not sure where he should go. Pettersson showed flashes of speed and solid 2 way play, I was a bit surprised he is a lock.
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Post by xcaper on Sept 1, 2008 11:29:09 GMT -4
"For all of Cameron's underachieving, he still has 3 times the points as Brenton and twice what Brannon and Lessard have. I agree he has not lived up to the level of his ability but I don't think the Cats are in a position to just cut or trade him for a pick."
If Brenton, Brannon or Lessard had the same amount of time on the powerplay as Cameron and with the same linemates, they would probably have as many points as Cameron.
"Tremblay shows nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired. He's definitely made a case for himself, but is he better than Eagles, Bidduke, Brown or Fomin?"
I didn't say he was better than 2 20 year olds and a Euro (who we haven't seen yet. My point is that this team has struggled with scoring in the past and here's a guy that can score...sign him. They went with a lot of great small skaters that did very little in point production...so give him a chance. And your words "nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired" ... reminds me of one of the examples you gave - Bidduke!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 1, 2008 11:47:11 GMT -4
"For all of Cameron's underachieving, he still has 3 times the points as Brenton and twice what Brannon and Lessard have. I agree he has not lived up to the level of his ability but I don't think the Cats are in a position to just cut or trade him for a pick." If Brenton, Brannon or Lessard had the same amount of time on the powerplay as Cameron and with the same linemates, they would probably have as many points as Cameron. "Tremblay shows nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired. He's definitely made a case for himself, but is he better than Eagles, Bidduke, Brown or Fomin?" I didn't say he was better than 2 20 year olds and a Euro (who we haven't seen yet. My point is that this team has struggled with scoring in the past and here's a guy that can score...sign him. They went with a lot of great small skaters that did very little in point production...so give him a chance. And your words "nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired" ... reminds me of one of the examples you gave - Bidduke! Brannon is nowhere near as skilled as Cameron, he would need twice the chances to score the same number of points, that's why he played mostly with Sill on the checking line. If he breaks out and steps up offensively, he could produce 40-45 points, Cameron is already at that level...the "next level" for him is 60-70 points. Brannon will never reach that level. Lessard is a bit more skilled, got numerous chances on offensive lines with mixed results. As far as Tremblay, I think he is better off suited getting a year in MAAA as he has not played at that level yet, Bidduke is already a 30 goal calibre guy, Tremblay is a scorer in rookie games but I don't think he is ready to be a scorer against Q players, that's why he needs a year MAAA to improve the rest of his game and develop.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Sept 1, 2008 12:01:11 GMT -4
Mind you I've only been able to get out to see one intersquad game but seeing that Daniel Petterson had been signed left me saying "who?". To me it's a little disappointing that he has been signed while a guy like Tyler Noseworthy has not. I'm also wondering about the signing of Simon Jodoin because I saw better players, like Downe for example, out there. Again this is only based on seeing one intersquad game so not exactly an expert opinion by any means.
I actually understand the signing of the returning players like Lessard and Brenton because is there not a deadline to have 19 year old players signed or they go on waivers? It's already been discussed that we could obviously get something for Lessard so no point in losing him on waivers if we didn't plan on keeping him. I'm not sure how much we could get for Brenton but if there is a chance to get something for him we don't want to lose him on waivers eithers. Stephens is not a surprise to me because Flynn said last year we can expect to see why we signed this kid around mid-season of this year.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 1, 2008 12:13:29 GMT -4
Mind you I've only been able to get out to see one intersquad game but seeing that Daniel Petterson had been signed left me saying "who?". To me it's a little disappointing that he has been signed while a guy like Tyler Noseworthy has not. I'm also wondering about the signing of Simon Jodoin because I saw better players, like Downe for example, out there. Again this is only based on seeing one intersquad game so not exactly an expert opinion by any means. I actually understand the signing of the returning players like Lessard and Brenton because is there not a deadline to have 19 year old players signed or they go on waivers? It's already been discussed that we could obviously get something for Lessard so no point in losing him on waivers if we didn't plan on keeping him. I'm not sure how much we could get for Brenton but if there is a chance to get something for him we don't want to lose him on waivers eithers. Stephens is not a surprise to me because Flynn said last year we can expect to see why we signed this kid around mid-season of this year. Jodoin was very solid and steady in camp. The big difference between him and Downe is that Downe can go develop another year in MAAA, Jodoin is at a point where he needs an extended chance. If he craps the bed the first half they can cut him and bring back Downe or another player from MAAA. As I said earlier, I think Downe solidified a spot alst night with a very strong game and both him and Jodoin will stick ahead of Cadet Fraser Paul and Bell.
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Post by xcaper on Sept 1, 2008 12:35:41 GMT -4
"For all of Cameron's underachieving, he still has 3 times the points as Brenton and twice what Brannon and Lessard have. I agree he has not lived up to the level of his ability but I don't think the Cats are in a position to just cut or trade him for a pick." If Brenton, Brannon or Lessard had the same amount of time on the powerplay as Cameron and with the same linemates, they would probably have as many points as Cameron. "Tremblay shows nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired. He's definitely made a case for himself, but is he better than Eagles, Bidduke, Brown or Fomin?" I didn't say he was better than 2 20 year olds and a Euro (who we haven't seen yet. My point is that this team has struggled with scoring in the past and here's a guy that can score...sign him. They went with a lot of great small skaters that did very little in point production...so give him a chance. And your words "nice finish but the rest of his game leaves something to be desired" ... reminds me of one of the examples you gave - Bidduke! Brannon is nowhere near as skilled as Cameron, he would need twice the chances to score the same number of points, that's why he played mostly with Sill on the checking line. If he breaks out and steps up offensively, he could produce 40-45 points, Cameron is already at that level...the "next level" for him is 60-70 points. Brannon will never reach that level. Lessard is a bit more skilled, got numerous chances on offensive lines with mixed results. As far as Tremblay, I think he is better off suited getting a year in MAAA as he has not played at that level yet, Bidduke is already a 30 goal calibre guy, Tremblay is a scorer in rookie games but I don't think he is ready to be a scorer against Q players, that's why he needs a year MAAA to improve the rest of his game and develop. Cameron probably played more than 300 power play minutes more than Brannon and only had 17 more points than Brannon. Cameron had 19 powerplay points for the year, you don't think Brannon would get 19 powerplay points if he played 300+ powerplay minutes? Cameron played a lot last year especially on the powerplay in the second half and didn't hit 40 pts, he was a big disaapointment and I'm sure most players on the team would hit 40 points if given the same ice time and powerplay he was. If you deduct Cameron's 19 power play points, Brannon would have 2 points more than Cameron and like you said Brannon played in a checking role against the other teams top lines.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 1, 2008 12:39:42 GMT -4
Brannon is nowhere near as skilled as Cameron, he would need twice the chances to score the same number of points, that's why he played mostly with Sill on the checking line. If he breaks out and steps up offensively, he could produce 40-45 points, Cameron is already at that level...the "next level" for him is 60-70 points. Brannon will never reach that level. Lessard is a bit more skilled, got numerous chances on offensive lines with mixed results. As far as Tremblay, I think he is better off suited getting a year in MAAA as he has not played at that level yet, Bidduke is already a 30 goal calibre guy, Tremblay is a scorer in rookie games but I don't think he is ready to be a scorer against Q players, that's why he needs a year MAAA to improve the rest of his game and develop. Cameron probably played more than 300 power play minutes more than Brannon and only had 17 more points than Brannon. Cameron had 19 powerplay points for the year, you don't think Brannon would get 19 powerplay points if he played 300+ powerplay minutes? Cameron played a lot last year especially on the powerplay in the second half and didn't hit 40 pts, he was a big disaapointment and I'm sure most players on the team would hit 40 points if given the same ice time and powerplay he was. If you deduct Cameron's 19 power play points Brannon would have 2 points more than Cameron and like you said Brannon played in a checking role against the other teams top lines. Just because you get more ice time doesn't guarantee a lot more points. Cameron definitely needs a kick in the pants, but trading him now would be a mistake, especially considering the lack of depth at center.
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Post by chsb on Sept 1, 2008 13:06:15 GMT -4
Cameron probably played more than 300 power play minutes more than Brannon and only had 17 more points than Brannon. Cameron had 19 powerplay points for the year, you don't think Brannon would get 19 powerplay points if he played 300+ powerplay minutes? Cameron played a lot last year especially on the powerplay in the second half and didn't hit 40 pts, he was a big disaapointment and I'm sure most players on the team would hit 40 points if given the same ice time and powerplay he was. If you deduct Cameron's 19 power play points Brannon would have 2 points more than Cameron and like you said Brannon played in a checking role against the other teams top lines. Just because you get more ice time doesn't guarantee a lot more points. Cameron definitely needs a kick in the pants, but trading him now would be a mistake, especially considering the lack of depth at center. The Titan have at center: Faille Pulis Sénécal Lambke now playing center Jean-Boulianne Malouin Côté If they want to make room for the younger ones, they might have to move one of these. I could easily see Sénécal being traded.
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Post by catnut on Sept 1, 2008 13:14:36 GMT -4
Just because you get more ice time doesn't guarantee a lot more points. Cameron definitely needs a kick in the pants, but trading him now would be a mistake, especially considering the lack of depth at center. The Titan have at center: Faille Pulis Sénécal Lambke now playing center Jean-Boulianne Malouin Côté If they want to make room for the younger ones, they might have to move one of these. I could easily see Sénécal being traded. What does this have to do with this discussion?
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