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Post by SteveUL on Nov 7, 2008 14:21:41 GMT -4
I'm not trying to make up any story ... just stating my opinion. You aren't watching Lahey if you don't find him grittier than Biduke. I have and so has the coaching staff. Why do you think Leahy is a 20 year old on the 3rd or 4th line? It's not for lack of skill. Biduke was 1st line last year and played 1st or 2nd before they let him go. Why do you think that is? Biduke was on the 1st line this year because he was there last year ... not because he deserved it. I'm not suggesting that Biduke was let go because Lahey was better ... he was let go for reasons that don't need to be discussed on this board. But Lahey was kept because he has good skill and has better all around skill than Biduke does. Lahey gets better every game ... and gets grittier .... and is ramping up to becoming a regular player on our top 2 lines ... not sure who he'll bump as we have a bit of a log jam of guys that could play there.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 7, 2008 14:34:33 GMT -4
I have and so has the coaching staff. Why do you think Leahy is a 20 year old on the 3rd or 4th line? It's not for lack of skill. Biduke was 1st line last year and played 1st or 2nd before they let him go. Why do you think that is? Biduke was on the 1st line this year because he was there last year ... not because he deserved it. I'm not suggesting that Biduke was let go because Lahey was better ... he was let go for reasons that don't need to be discussed on this board. But Lahey was kept because he has good skill and has better all around skill than Biduke does. Lahey gets better every game ... and gets grittier .... and is ramping up to becoming a regular player on our top 2 lines ... not sure who he'll bump as we have a bit of a log jam of guys that could play there. You are contradicting yourself. You got it right when you said Bidduke was let go for reasons not to be mentionned on here. That's why they brought in Leahy and let him go. The rest is just your BS. Those inside the orgaqnisation will tell you(off the record) that if it was just a hockey decision Biduke would still be there.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 7, 2008 14:58:06 GMT -4
Biduke was on the 1st line this year because he was there last year ... not because he deserved it. I'm not suggesting that Biduke was let go because Lahey was better ... he was let go for reasons that don't need to be discussed on this board. But Lahey was kept because he has good skill and has better all around skill than Biduke does. Lahey gets better every game ... and gets grittier .... and is ramping up to becoming a regular player on our top 2 lines ... not sure who he'll bump as we have a bit of a log jam of guys that could play there. You are contradicting yourself. You got it right when you said Bidduke was let go for reasons not to be mentionned on here. That's why they brought in Leahy and let him go. The rest is just your BS. Those inside the orgaqnisation will tell you(off the record) that if it was just a hockey decision Biduke would still be there. I'm not contradicting myself at all. Lahey wasn't brought in to be an upgrade on Biduke ... he was just brought in to replace him because he was leaving. He is turning out though to be an upgrade. I realize that we wouldn't have Lahey if Biduke was being a good team guy ... since we would have no reason to go and find another 20. That doesn't change the fact that Lahey is a better hockey player. The first game Lahey played here I figured his stay here would be short ... even though he scored a goal. He just didn't seem to be a Flynn type of player ... just like Biduke never seemed to be either. But each game Lahey would show a little more ... harder work ... grittier play along the boards ... smarter play ... and seemed to adapt more to the style of play that Flynn demands. He isn't perfect ... but I see a hell of a lot more potential in him then I ever did see in Biduke. If he could master Biduke's ability to tip shots ... we'd forget all about Biduke.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 7, 2008 15:08:50 GMT -4
You are contradicting yourself. You got it right when you said Bidduke was let go for reasons not to be mentionned on here. That's why they brought in Leahy and let him go. The rest is just your BS. Those inside the orgaqnisation will tell you(off the record) that if it was just a hockey decision Biduke would still be there. I'm not contradicting myself at all. Lahey wasn't brought in to be an upgrade on Biduke ... he was just brought in to replace him because he was leaving. He is turning out though to be an upgrade. I realize that we wouldn't have Lahey if Biduke was being a good team guy ... since we would have no reason to go and find another 20. That doesn't change the fact that Lahey is a better hockey player. The first game Lahey played here I figured his stay here would be short ... even though he scored a goal. He just didn't seem to be a Flynn type of player ... just like Biduke never seemed to be either. But each game Lahey would show a little more ... harder work ... grittier play along the boards ... smarter play ... and seemed to adapt more to the style of play that Flynn demands. He isn't perfect ... but I see a hell of a lot more potential in him then I ever did see in Biduke. If he could master Biduke's ability to tip shots ... we'd forget all about Biduke. Leahy was brought in because of Biduke's off ice issues, not because he is a better player. You can believe whatever you want, the facts are that you are wrong.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 7, 2008 15:39:10 GMT -4
I don't see anything in Lahey to make me think he is poised to break out ... if anything he slides one more notch down the forward depth chart when Stephens is healthy ... He is good enough to be on the team ... but I think best case he is a 20 goal, 40 point man who does not really excel as a grinder (not saying he is a liability in his own end, just saying he isn't really a defensive specialist) - if he was 19, great guy to have on your team if you are trying to contend - good depth guy who can step up into a top 6 role short term if/when injuries arise ... as a 20 year old, I think we can do much better, and we have plenty of assets to afford to do so ... I would be very surprised if he lasts the year ...
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 7, 2008 15:52:23 GMT -4
I'm not contradicting myself at all. Lahey wasn't brought in to be an upgrade on Biduke ... he was just brought in to replace him because he was leaving. He is turning out though to be an upgrade. I realize that we wouldn't have Lahey if Biduke was being a good team guy ... since we would have no reason to go and find another 20. That doesn't change the fact that Lahey is a better hockey player. The first game Lahey played here I figured his stay here would be short ... even though he scored a goal. He just didn't seem to be a Flynn type of player ... just like Biduke never seemed to be either. But each game Lahey would show a little more ... harder work ... grittier play along the boards ... smarter play ... and seemed to adapt more to the style of play that Flynn demands. He isn't perfect ... but I see a hell of a lot more potential in him then I ever did see in Biduke. If he could master Biduke's ability to tip shots ... we'd forget all about Biduke. Leahy was brought in because of Biduke's off ice issues, not because he is a better player. You can believe whatever you want, the facts are that you are wrong. I believe that is what I said ... it was just luck that he has become an upgrade (IMO).
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 7, 2008 16:11:03 GMT -4
Leahy was brought in because of Biduke's off ice issues, not because he is a better player. You can believe whatever you want, the facts are that you are wrong. I believe that is what I said ... it was just luck that he has become an upgrade (IMO). You are entitled to your opinion...but if he was an upgrade he wouldn't be on the 4th line when everybody is healthy.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 7, 2008 16:30:35 GMT -4
I believe that is what I said ... it was just luck that he has become an upgrade (IMO). You are entitled to your opinion...but if he was an upgrade he wouldn't be on the 4th line when everybody is healthy. Biduke would be too.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 7, 2008 18:27:59 GMT -4
You are entitled to your opinion...but if he was an upgrade he wouldn't be on the 4th line when everybody is healthy. Biduke would be too. He'd be with Eagles and Cameron where he was last year.
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Post by zambonidriver on Nov 7, 2008 20:22:54 GMT -4
I'm not trying to make up any story ... just stating my opinion. You aren't watching Lahey if you don't find him grittier than Biduke. I have and so has the coaching staff. Why do you think Leahy is a 20 year old on the 3rd or 4th line? It's not for lack of skill. Biduke was 1st line last year and played 1st or 2nd before they let him go. Why do you think that is? Right, you are so right and that's why Biduke is on the 1st or 2nd line sitting at home and Lahey is 3rd or 4th line and getting ice time.
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Post by ronmac on Nov 7, 2008 20:48:51 GMT -4
I have and so has the coaching staff. Why do you think Leahy is a 20 year old on the 3rd or 4th line? It's not for lack of skill. Biduke was 1st line last year and played 1st or 2nd before they let him go. Why do you think that is? Right, you are so right and that's why Biduke is on the 1st or 2nd line sitting at home and Lahey is 3rd or 4th line and getting ice time. Biduke was brought in last year as the Cats were desperate for someone who could put the puck in the net, this year he came back in much better shape but still was a soft player who now could not find the net, I think if Lahey stays healthy he will get this opportunity to show his skills
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Post by Rocky Saganiuk on Nov 7, 2008 21:37:19 GMT -4
If Lahey is injured, and misses a couple of weeks, his absence will be assessed in much the same way as Biduke. If you are assessing a 20 year olds value to your team, you ask yourself "Are we a better team with this individual in our line-up?
We were not worse without Biduke, in my opinion, and if the rumored off-ice issues are true, all the more reason to cut him loose.
I have a feeling we aren't going to see a dramatic difference in our overall play if Lahey is out of the line-up for 3 or 4 games either. (But we won't know till it happens) If you see no difference in your overall teams play if one of your 20 year olds is not playing in 3 or 4 games before Christmas, are they worth filling one of your 20 year old spots for the entire season?
When Sill was missing, it was noticeable. If Eagles gets hurt, he would be greatly missed. If Biduke didn't get hurt, with the streak we're currently on, maybe his off-ice issues would have tolerated, because he may have continued to appear to be a more effective player than he actually was, with the team we have assembled this year.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 7, 2008 21:43:46 GMT -4
If Lahey is injured, and misses a couple of weeks, his absence will be assessed in much the same way as Biduke. If you are assessing a 20 year olds value to your team, you ask yourself "Are we a better team with this individual in our line-up? We were not worse without Biduke, in my opinion, and if the rumored off-ice issues are true, all the more reason to cut him loose. I have a feeling we aren't going to see a dramatic difference in our overall play if Lahey is out of the line-up for 3 or 4 games either. (But we won't know till it happens) If you see no difference in your overall teams play if one of your 20 year olds is not playing in 3 or 4 games before Christmas, are they worth filling one of your 20 year old spots for the entire season? When Sill was missing, it was noticeable. If Eagles gets hurt, he would be greatly missed. If Biduke didn't get hurt, with the streak we're currently on, maybe his off-ice issues would have tolerated, because he may have continued to appear to be a more effective player than he actually was, with the team we have assembled this year. Lahey isn't hurt, he'll be in lineup tomorrow....
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 7, 2008 23:15:49 GMT -4
I have and so has the coaching staff. Why do you think Leahy is a 20 year old on the 3rd or 4th line? It's not for lack of skill. Biduke was 1st line last year and played 1st or 2nd before they let him go. Why do you think that is? Right, you are so right and that's why Biduke is on the 1st or 2nd line sitting at home and Lahey is 3rd or 4th line and getting ice time. I thought that was explained many times in this thread...but I guess you missed the part in school whebn they taught reading.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 8, 2008 10:29:21 GMT -4
FYI, a google search revealed that Biduke signed with the Lindsay Muskies of the OPJHL this week ...
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